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post #1861 of 6727
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Originally Posted by delar View Post

PM me a link to your pixie dust vendor. I may need to place a large order.

Well the Kuro is the gateway into Neverland...

I'm not sure why it took a while to get a DHCP lease from the AP, but I'd probably blame the AP before the Kuro. The Kuro can do no wrong.

I've officially dubbed my Kuro the SFIV machine. I'd also like to see how animated movies like Akira and other animated features look on it.

I do need to get some optical and HDMI cables to connect my tv and other devices.
post #1862 of 6727
Well today I ordered the 500M fully broken in, patched and IFC day/night/auto calibrated, stand, and Elite 23FD blueray. When it arrives I can just turn it on and enjoy, no break in dvds, endless tweaking and so on for me. I cannot wait to join the club, please do a good job for me D-Nice.
post #1863 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Jonesy11 View Post

please do a good job for me D-Nice.

Uhh, huh?
post #1864 of 6727
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Originally Posted by delar View Post

I have a 600M that has worked beautifully for the few months I've owned it. This morning, however, I noticed a thin black horizontal line running the width of the screen a few inches above the bottom edge. I've checked both HDMI ports using two separate sources and cables, and I've power cycled the monitor several times, but the line remains.

Because this line is very noticeable on full screen programming, I need assurances that this issue, whatever it is, can be easily remedied or will go away on its own. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

Further observation shows that it's not a solid black line but rather a dark line about 3 pixels in width. These three lines of pixels are illuminated about half the amount adjoining pixels are lit. The also appear to change colors normally, so I can't say they're stuck. They're just dark, as if underpowered.

I've read around the web about black horizontal lines on plasmas and they usually mean a short or open in the panel itself. This appears to be a different symptom (dark, but not a completely black line). A bad connection perhaps?

Note: Also checked using a component connection to rule out an HDMI circuit problem.
post #1865 of 6727
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Uhh, huh?

Wendy said you might calibrate my set. Any truth in that? Are you currently working calibrations for tvs ordered from Value?
post #1866 of 6727
I used the D-Nice reference settings. I'm sure they're pretty good with tv or Bluray but I was using my Xbox 360 and the picture looked a bit dull. Could someone share their settings?

And I've never used an AVR before but is there a way to map multiple settings to one input? (I'm sure the answer is probably going to be no). I want to plug my Bluray (Panasonic BD35), Xbox 360, HD DVR and PS2 to an AVR (and directly plug my PS3 to the monitor).
post #1867 of 6727
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Originally Posted by spiderjericho View Post

I used the D-Nice reference settings. I'm sure they're pretty good with tv or Bluray but I was using my Xbox 360 and the picture looked a bit dull. Could someone share their settings?

And I've never used an AVR before but is there a way to map multiple settings to one input? (I'm sure the answer is probably going to be no). I want to plug my Bluray (Panasonic BD35), Xbox 360, HD DVR and PS2 to an AVR (and directly plug my PS3 to the monitor).

you will get different settings based on input specifics.. so youd be able to get the following on a single input:

setting for bluray out at 1080/24p
Xbox360 & HD DVR @1080/60 would be the same
PS2 @ 480 would be its own

if you have the AVR upconvert or scale , then you will lose all that. youd have to let it just pass thru the signals (and convert ps2 component to HDMI if the AVR allows that). you could have either the 360 or DVR output at 720 if you want to keep them separate.
post #1868 of 6727
I had Lee Gallagher come out and calibrate my brand spankin' new krp-500m.

Very professional and friendly. Explained every step of the way, answered any questions and put things in layman's terms for the le said layman.

He did a pure mode that was meant to be as accurate as possible and a standard mode for day time viewing. I'm extremely happy with both modes. He calibrated the panel, computer (dvi), ps3 (hdmi) and cox cable (hdmi).

Additionally, since my set is brand new and even though the change will be minimal at best, he offered (free of charge) to come and tweak the settings in a couple weeks when the set has been broken in.

I'm a pretty technical guy - electrical engineering and math background, but all those settings in the kuro panel just flabbergasted me. I'm extremely satisfied with the money spent knowing that this panel is now performing at its peak.
post #1869 of 6727
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Originally Posted by rocadelpunk View Post

I had Lee Gallagher come out and calibrate my brand spankin' new krp-500m.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.
post #1870 of 6727
What is the speaker part number for the 500m? SMW2025?
post #1871 of 6727
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Originally Posted by ocZZZZ View Post

What is the speaker part number for the 500m? SMW2025?

I hope this is what you are looking for.

The official 500M speaker is the KRP-S04

Jim
post #1872 of 6727
In ControlCal, can anyone tell me how to adjust the Gamma reference level (I think standard values are 1-5, and most use 2 for typical 2.22 gamma). I couldn't seem to find any method of gamma adjustment except the finer 9 point adjustment, which I thought was used to tweak once the reference gamma is selected. The reason I ask is because when I press the menu button on the remote and go into the picture settings and select ISF-Day (I'm patched), Gamma setting 3 is selected. Of course I can't change those settings without ControlCal, so I'd like to know how to set that back to 2.

Thanks
post #1873 of 6727
Ignore the Gamma 3 setting shown in the User Menu when a ISFccc memory is selected.

The ISFccc Interface has a full 9 point gamma controls (3 channels each) and the Gamma Presets are not available.
post #1874 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Chris Campbell View Post

I'd like to know how to set that back to 2.

On my 500M I measured 2.25 at ISFccc/gamma -2.
post #1875 of 6727
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Ignore the Gamma 3 setting shown in the User Menu when a ISFccc memory is selected.

The ISFccc Interface has a full 9 point gamma controls (3 channels each) and the Gamma Presets are not available.

Oh I see, since the 3 showed up in picture controls I thought that was a base point, then the 9 point was to fine tune that. That clears things up, thanks.

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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

On my 500M I measured 2.25 at ISFccc/gamma -2.

-2? I think I need to actually get off (or on, as the case may be) my butt and actually calibrate this thing then. I was working with "0" across the board for now since it seems that many have those settings. Maybe its my Dish network signal, but it really feels like I'm losing some detail on blacks at the moment. I suspect they're artificially enhancing contrast to give the image more "pop".
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i have always heard you guys speak about "judder" and never fully understood what it meant or what you were referring to. yesterday after going into Pricesmart and seeing their new Sony LCDs with "Motionflow" i started to understand a bit more. I saw while they were giving a shot of a city (i think thats what panning is) the motion looked very VERY smooth. it actually looked liked i was the one with the camera looking at the city move from an airplane. they also had some shots with people walking around the city and motion seemed to "flow". At that moment my Kuro kicked into my mind and i studied that my display never looked that smooth ever. and then the arguments that persons had here about 24fps and Advance and Standard settings in Pure Cinema started to come back to my head. so i immediately went home and watched some movies. I watched iRobot, Transformers and Sex and the city. while watching Sex and the City and Transformers i noticed that the motion from the persons were always blurred and jittery so i assumed my Pure mode setting was not correct so i switched from Standard to Advance and it was still the same way. I have my PS3 outputting 1080/24 so i am assuming my panel is not handling it correctly. my question is, is there any other problem or hiccup that could be causing this "jittery" motion as i assume that this is not supposed to happen.
post #1877 of 6727
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Originally Posted by ocZZZZ View Post

What is the speaker part number for the 500m? SMW2025?

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Originally Posted by Jim_In_Boston View Post

I hope this is what you are looking for.

The official 500M speaker is the KRP-S04

Jim

Jim you're right but he may be looking for speakers other then the over priced Pioneer 500M versions. The ones I installed on my 500M are the SMW2025 that are originally from the 111FD.

These however require only slight modification. Easy. I found mine online for $60 dollars brand new.

PM me if this is the route you plan on taking and need assistance with the install
post #1878 of 6727
Motionflow is frame interpolation. If you want to mimic that kind of motion, use Pure Cinema Smooth.
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

i have always heard you guys speak about "judder" and never fully understood what it meant or what you were referring to. yesterday after going into Pricesmart and seeing their new Sony LCDs with "Motionflow" i started to understand a bit more. I saw while they were giving a shot of a city (i think thats what panning is) the motion looked very VERY smooth. it actually looked liked i was the one with the camera looking at the city move from an airplane. they also had some shots with people walking around the city and motion seemed to "flow". At that moment my Kuro kicked into my mind and i studied that my display never looked that smooth ever. and then the arguments that persons had here about 24fps and Advance and Standard settings in Pure Cinema started to come back to my head. so i immediately went home and watched some movies. I watched iRobot, Transformers and Sex and the city. while watching Sex and the City and Transformers i noticed that the motion from the persons were always blurred and jittery so i assumed my Pure mode setting was not correct so i switched from Standard to Advance and it was still the same way. I have my PS3 outputting 1080/24 so i am assuming my panel is not handling it correctly. my question is, is there any other problem or hiccup that could be causing this "jittery" motion as i assume that this is not supposed to happen.
post #1879 of 6727
^^thanks D but is that not the way it is supposed to look? i have always seen countless arguments here about the "judder" on panning scenes but yet noone utilises Smooth as an option. is there a connection between 1080/24 and frame interpolation?
post #1880 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

^^thanks D but is that not the way it is supposed to look?

No it is not. Pure Cinema Advance takes care of candence judder. It does not remove film judder... and, IMO, it should not. If you want both removed and can live with the unnatural pans and artifacts, use Pure Cinema Smooth.
post #1881 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

^^thanks D but is that not the way it is supposed to look? i have always seen countless arguments here about the "judder" on panning scenes but yet noone utilises Smooth as an option. is there a connection between 1080/24 and frame interpolation?

The judder discussed here is when frames are displayed for inequal amounts of time, which can result in a sort of herky jerky stop and go effect (though it's very subtle on almost all contents...doesn't bother me at all).

There's also a certain amount of jerkiness inherent to movies because they are shot at 24 frame per second. This has been the case for almost a century and I'm sure will continue to be the case for a very long time. Even if you aren't fully aware of it, 24 fps is what makes a movie look like a movie. If you watch it on a TV that does motion interpolation (meaning that it creates extra frames where none exist) you are radically changing the look of the movie.
post #1882 of 6727
^^^ thanks.

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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

No it is not. Pure Cinema Advance takes care of candence judder. It does not remove film judder... and, IMO, it should not. If you want both removed and can live with the unnatural pans and artifacts, use Pure Cinema Smooth.

i tried the Pure cinema smooth setting and it did do EXACTLY what i was seeing in the store BUT it did not do it all the time. By this i mean, if the panning was, for example, 6 seconds for the first second it did not do it, then the next 3 seconds it did look that way then for the last 2 it looked the usual herky jerky way. i switched scenes and movies and it did that continually, why is that?
post #1883 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post


why is that?

That is how Pioneer designed it to work.
post #1884 of 6727
^^ ok cool, so what i am seeing is in fact happening and it's not my eyes playing tricks on me?
post #1885 of 6727
In the process of purchasing the 600m.
Excited and nervous at the same time.

cool...

shane
post #1886 of 6727
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

That is how Pioneer designed it to work.

Are you being kind? Sounds like processing lag, no?
post #1887 of 6727
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Are you being kind?

No.
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Sounds like processing lag, no?

No.
post #1888 of 6727
D-Nice -

I gather from your previous posts that you don't care for Cinema Smooth or other dejudder features like Motion Flow, but if someone does want smoother pans, shouldn't the TV perform this process consistenly? I know that these features have been on TVs for a while now, but it is still new to me. Please elaborate on your answer.
post #1889 of 6727
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

D-Nice -

I gather from your previous posts that you don't care for Cinema Smooth or other dejudder features like Motion Flow, but if someone does want smoother pans, shouldn't the TV perform this process consistenly? I know that these features have been on TVs for a while now, but it is still new to me. Please elaborate on your answer.

There is nothing to elaborate on. Pioneer designed PC Smooth to preform exactly how it performs.
post #1890 of 6727
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

There is nothing to elaborate on. Pioneer designed PC Smooth to preform exactly how it performs.

I dont understand this. Pioneer designed it to work once in awhile and not work at other times? And to take a second or so to 'kick in' and start doing its' thing whenever there's motion? Why would they design it to do that ?
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