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post #2041 of 6727
I'm around 120 hours for break in and don't have any sort of noise or dirty screen. Watch bluray on PS3 and HD from Directv. If this set gets better than it already is, I can't wait! I'm watching the set on low contrast/low brightness while I break in and it's beautiful at this level. Well done Pioneer.
post #2042 of 6727
I received my 600M yesterday. I purchased it through AVinDemand.com. This company was honest and straightforward. I would do business with them again.

The screen arrived in mint condition (so far, so good) with no major headaches. I am stoked.
post #2043 of 6727
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Originally Posted by whityfrd View Post

is that really necessary for just a small scratch? id either live with it or try some scratch remover.

+1
If you look at the Pio Elite SC-05 - 07 rcvr thread you'll see posts from folks who's units have blown decorative LEDs on the front panel. 99.999% of them will not send the waranteed unit back just for this.

I recommend not messing with the bezel just for a 'small scratch'.

shane
post #2044 of 6727
Got my 600M earlier today, and it is crack-free and no dead pixels. Unfortunately the official install will have to wait for a few weeks until I get my AV prepro back from a repair and a DSP upgrade.

So it will sit in my garage running the break-in slides while I wait.



Quick question: Is the selected screen size (full, dot to dot, etc.) attached to the resolution?
post #2045 of 6727
My 600m is being delivered in the next 30 min or so, any last minute tips on how to check it and what to look for before i sign for it. Should i check the picture with a 1080p movie? The driver will wait.
Thanks
post #2046 of 6727
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Originally Posted by dimplez View Post

My 600m is being delivered in the next 30 min or so, any last minute tips on how to check it and what to look for before i sign for it. Should i check the picture with a 1080p movie? The driver will wait.
Thanks

Just open the box, grab a flashlight, and check for cracks, scratches, or any physical defects. You don't need to play a 1080p movie...
post #2047 of 6727
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Originally Posted by cleeve View Post

Just open the box, grab a flashlight, and check for cracks, scratches, or any physical defects. You don't need to play a 1080p movie...

Be sure to connect the power cord and turn it on. Wait for the 'No Input' screen. If that happens you're probably ok.

With the flashlight, be sure to check around the corners of the glass, and make sure you can see into the second layer.

Good luck!
post #2048 of 6727
Just had my KRP-500m delivered, so far so good...
Ordered from Beach Camera, arrived with no scratches (that I have found anyhow with a flash light inspection/power-up - cross fingers). Powered up to "no input" screen. It was completely quiet, but probably the infamous "buzz" doesn't come up until something more visually intense than the "no input screen" is actually being displayed?

Wish me luck...sadly it needs to sit in storage for a month or so while the family room gets finished. I may run the break-in though in the mean time, but little else. I am excited to have scored one of these though!
--Dave
post #2049 of 6727
Can somebody help me verify the settings for KRP500M Break-in CD?

The following is from D-Nice for the Pro 111FD. Is this also for the KRP500M? Thank you.

Picture:

AV Selection: Sport
Contrast: 50
Brightness: 0
Color: +20
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0


Pro Adjust

Pure Cinema
Film Mode: Off
Text Optimization: Off

Intelligence: Off


Picture Detail:
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 2
Gamma: 2


Color Detail:
Color Temp: High

CTI: Off
Color Management
R 0
Y 0
G 0
C 0
B 0
M 0

Color Space: 2


Noise Reduction:

3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off

Screen Size: Full
Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 1

Michaelmorio
post #2050 of 6727
it`s here, just put it on the stand and got the NO INPUT signal. everything looks good!
Will post updates later
post #2051 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michaelmorio View Post

Can somebody help me verify the settings for KRP500M Break-in CD?

The following is from D-Nice for the Pro 111FD. Is this also for the KRP500M?

No. His break-in settings for Elite and KRP monitors are as below:

Recommended 150 (150 hours non-stop) Hour Break-In settings for Pioneer 500M/600M/101FD/141FD (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's Break-in DVD!!!!!!!!)

*****Note: This procedure is designed to be performed only during the first 150 hours of the display's lifespan. This procedure is designed to ensure the reference settings listed below provide maximum satisfaction. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used solely as Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention. Also, if a setting is not listed in the settings below, please leave it at its default value.*****

Picture:
AV Selection: Sport
Contrast: 50
Brightness: 0
Color: +50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0


Pro Adjust

Pure Cinema
Film Mode: Off
Text Optimization: Off

Intelligence: Off


Picture Detail:
DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Gamma: 4


Color Detail:
Color Temp: High

CTI: Off

Color Management
R 0
Y 0
G 0
C 0
B 0
M 0

Color Space: 1


Noise Reduction:

3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off

Screen Size: Full 1
Power Save Mode: Standard
Orbiter: Off

Drive Mode: 1
post #2052 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michaelmorio View Post

Can somebody help me verify the settings for KRP500M Break-in CD?

The following is from D-Nice for the Pro 111FD. Is this also for the KRP500M? Thank you.

A check of the settings will reveal they are essentially the same for all models. The monitor settings were recently changed but as I recall the reason given was, to paraphrase, "I wanted to".

The specifics and much more can be found via the FAQ.
post #2053 of 6727
My 600m just came in the mail today, and i'm wondering where everyone bought their break-in DVD's. I want to make sure I do everything by the books, take care of my Pio. What do you guys recommend?
post #2054 of 6727
So i got my 600M two weeks ago and the picture is quite beautiful. I have a slight buzz in Standard mode but not anything to worry about as I only notice it when browsing the net via the PS3.

Last night, I went to Best Buy and was looking at the PRO-141FD and thought for a good second that maybe I "should have" gotten the PRO-141FD instead for the $750 premium. When you factor the extra two HDMI ports, the better QA on the panel, the two extra years warranty, and the ISF modes built in, the $750 premium sounds more reasonable.

Anyone else, starting to regret not getting a PRO-141FD instead? Help assure me I made the correct decision.

Thanks all!
post #2055 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by clockworks2000 View Post

My 600m just came in the mail today,

It came by regular post in one piece?! Or was it a courier?
post #2056 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by scanido View Post

So i got my 600M two weeks ago and the picture is quite beautiful. I have a slight buzz in Standard mode but not anything to worry about as I only notice it when browsing the net via the PS3.

Last night, I went to Best Buy and was looking at the PRO-141FD and thought for a good second that maybe I "should have" gotten the PRO-141FD instead for the $750 premium. When you factor the extra two HDMI ports, the better QA on the panel, the two extra years warranty, and the ISF modes built in, the $750 premium sounds more reasonable.

Anyone else, starting to regret not getting a PRO-141FD instead? Help assure me I made the correct decision.

Thanks all!

I'm not sure what extra value the ISF modes would provide, since you'd still have to pay to unlock them--either through professional calibration or ControlCAL.

An extra year of warranty and 2 extra HDMI inputs aren't a bad thing though.
post #2057 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by clockworks2000 View Post

My 600m just came in the mail today, and i'm wondering where everyone bought their break-in DVD's. I want to make sure I do everything by the books, take care of my Pio. What do you guys recommend?

Look here for Break-in information:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1053444

Wow... the USPS must be getting much better (and hiring some big carriers)!
post #2058 of 6727
I had received a refund on my credit card when they could not deliver the 600M and they sent the email stating that. However, my credit card company called saying that they have charged me again and asked if I wanted to dispute. You may want to check your statement again to make sure of no additional charges.
post #2059 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by scanido View Post

So i got my 600M two weeks ago and the picture is quite beautiful. I have a slight buzz in Standard mode but not anything to worry about as I only notice it when browsing the net via the PS3.

Last night, I went to Best Buy and was looking at the PRO-141FD and thought for a good second that maybe I "should have" gotten the PRO-141FD instead for the $750 premium. When you factor the extra two HDMI ports, the better QA on the panel, the two extra years warranty, and the ISF modes built in, the $750 premium sounds more reasonable.

Anyone else, starting to regret not getting a PRO-141FD instead? Help assure me I made the correct decision.

Thanks all!

+1, believe it or not I have seen probably more panels than I care to admit and part of me is very thankful I have yet to see the 141fd in person or I probably would be as tempted as you stated also. I have been very pleased with my 600m and I don't think I would regret it realistically but I see your point of wanting to know- I think they call this upgradeitis.
post #2060 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by clockworks2000 View Post

My 600m just came in the mail today, and i'm wondering where everyone bought their break-in DVD's. I want to make sure I do everything by the books, take care of my Pio. What do you guys recommend?

Congratulations and welcome to AVS.

As always I recommend that you read the FAQ both in general and with an eye towards understanding the rationale for doing the D-Nice break-in. I suspect there are number of people who are candidates for ISFccc calibration who may not know it and should you opt for that then the break-in is of limited utility.
post #2061 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by scanido View Post

So i got my 600M two weeks ago and the picture is quite beautiful. I have a slight buzz in Standard mode but not anything to worry about as I only notice it when browsing the net via the PS3.

Last night, I went to Best Buy and was looking at the PRO-141FD and thought for a good second that maybe I "should have" gotten the PRO-141FD instead for the $750 premium. When you factor the extra two HDMI ports, the better QA on the panel, the two extra years warranty, and the ISF modes built in, the $750 premium sounds more reasonable.

Anyone else, starting to regret not getting a PRO-141FD instead? Help assure me I made the correct decision.

Thanks all!

The patch is pretty easy and a big improvement. Definitely get it. The DVI port on the 500m is HDCP compliant and can basically be used as a third HDMI input.
post #2062 of 6727
If you are having doubts about: choosing a 600M, whether to calibrate or upgrade, here is my experience.

I've had my KRP-600M now for about a month, now. For the eight years prior, I had tweaked on my old 55" Mitsubishi RPTV. I had performed manual focus, e-focus, convergence, gray scale, etc. It was an ongoing process, but I enjoyed the tinkering. When I bought my 600M, I thought I might do the same. I also knew I wanted to add the ISF-ccc profiles. So, I considered the option of installing the "patch" myself and copying settings from another calibrated 600. This would be a lower cost option and allow me to tweak a little at a time. The more I thought about it, the more I realized I had the good fortune of having, one the most knowledgeable and skilled Calibrators in the country, in my back yard. A calibrator that knows the Pioneer Kuro's as good as or better than just about anyone. That calibrator would be the good "Doctor" D-Nice. I asked myself, could I achieve the kind of results he could, considering his extensive experience? No. But, would my results be the same if I copied settings from another patched 600M? Perhaps. Well, as it turns out, I was wrong with that assumption.

The night before my calibration Turbe went out of his way to assist me and D-Nice and get us setup for the ISF upgrade.

On the day of the calibration, I got a call from D-nice letting me know his ETA. Upon his arrival, he got setup and went right to work. He first did an evaluation of my set in Pure Mode, pre-calibration. I was using Elite-Homes posted settings for Pure Mode. For my 600, they were not working well. Below is a calibration report that details the specifics.
However, the color points looked great, to which D-nice commented, "This confirms these KRP panels really are like Signature Elites." For the next four and a half hours he never got out of his chair (perhaps, he could have finished earlier, if it wasn't for my incessant yapping). First installing the upgrade and then calibrating the modes, he Intently worked, alternately gazing at the screen of his computer and the screen of the 600. Displaying patterns and taking readings, he attached and detach the colorimeter from the screen of my display. Meticulously he addressed and REaddressed all variables in each mode, until he got them as good as they could possibly get. During the process he said, "Your settings are turning out to be a lot different than many 600's I have seen." I think this is a good example of how copying settings from another set is truly a "shot in the dark".

And now the process was complete. It was time to SEE what this time intensive service and upgrade would yield. We put on "The Dark Knight". Immediately as the image of the bat emerges form the flames I could see something had really changed. Then the opening scenes unfolded; The skyscrapers burst onto the screen. "WOW! look at that!", I said. D-Nice replied, "Now that's a picture". We watched as I commented on the pristine images of the movie. I thanked D-Nice for a job well done."Wait till you see the display at night...", he said and off he went.

Later that night, I lowered the lights and turned the set on. With input set to cable box, Peter Jackson's "King Kong" in HD was the first thing that popped up on the screen. "MAN O MAN!!!!!! I have NEVER seen anything like this before, ANYWHERE, ANYTIME!" Though I expected to see a marginal improvement, this was DRAMATIC! This was altogether another level of awesome! The image was nothing short of PERFECTION. Jaw-dropping detail, depth and dimension, like I have NEVER experienced. I put on several Blu-rays and I was literally taken back. I called my wife into the room and I said "You gotta SEE this!!" I put on "Pirates of the Caribbean" and the intro has a promo for Disney Blu-ray titles. "WOW! AMAZING!" Even my wife, that questioned the whole exercise of replacing the old TV and having this new TV calibrated, ...was in awe. Any question in my mind about my decision to calibrate and upgrade, was gone.

Before the ISF upgrade and calibration, I wondered how much this process could possibly improve an already excellent picture. Well the answer is exponentially. The ISF upgrade in conjunction with the calibration, completely changed "the look" of this display. COMPLETELY. How did it change? I'll try and describe the things that I see visually. POP: First of all, there is very obvious pop to the image. There is an extreme degree of sharpness with absolutely no edge enhancement or ringing. DEPTH: There is a nearly 3-D nature to the picture that simply WAS NOT THERE before. COLOR: Color is incredibly rich. GRAY SCALE & BLACK: Though I know the black is not blacker, it certainly LOOKS like it is, because the striking contrast between the bottom and the top of the scale. Every level of TRUE gray in between reveals exceptional detail. BRIGHTNESS: The ISF modes added more FL output for a brighter more jazzed up picture.

The bottom line is, if you're thinking about a professional calibration, and the addition of the ISF patch, DO IT. Bite the bullet and do it. It was worth every penny. The best way I can describe the look of the picture now is, perfection. "Real" is another word that comes to mind. There is not an ounce of digital look to this image. It is quite simply precise, not a pumped up, edge enhanced 2-dimensional cartoon, but a precisely revealed representation the captured image. I never knew movies could look so good. I'm a happy boy. Thank you, D-Nice and Turbe.
You da' MEN!

 

Pioneer KRP-600M Pre-Calibration Report (Pure).pdf 203.1689453125k . file

 

Pioneer KRP-600M Post-Calibration Report (Pure).pdf 196.4677734375k . file

 

Pioneer KRP-600M Post-Calibration Report (ISF-Day).pdf 197.1328125k . file

 

Pioneer KRP-600M Post-Calibration Report (ISF-Night).pdf 197.2060546875k . file
post #2063 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronmck View Post

That calibrator would be the good "Doctor" D-Nice.

PERFECTION

The ISF upgrade in conjunction with the calibration, completely changed "the look" of this display.

Thanks for your detailed and lengthy report..
post #2064 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Thanks for your detailed and lengthy report..

No, thank YOU! You certainly deserve it.

I just hope this is of help to others that are unsure about all this. It's sometimes hard to take a leap of faith.
post #2065 of 6727
Your experience pretty much echoes mine from a few weeks ago, especially this part:

Quote:


There is a nearly 3-D nature to the picture that simply WAS NOT THERE before.

This was what jumped out at me the most post-ISFccc calibration. I was just watching some Blu-Ray content a few minutes ago, and I still can't get over how much dimension the picture has now, and I've been a 9G Kuro owner for over 9 months at this point.

Enjoy!
post #2066 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronmck View Post

That calibrator would be the good "Doctor" D-Nice. I asked myself, could I achieve the kind of results he could, considering his extensive experience?

Thanks for your calibration report. I've added it to the flat panel (Post#2) lists that are linked at the bottom of my post.

post #2067 of 6727
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Originally Posted by clockworks2000 View Post

My 600m just came in the mail today,

How did the mailman ever even get it to fit in your mailbox??????
post #2068 of 6727
As I pointed out in an earlier post, my new 600M is sitting in my garage running through break-in slides (running on a Mac Mini) while I wait for my prepro to get repaired. Well, I couldn't wait to see what the set is capable of, so I downloaded the 1080P "Avatar" and "Zombieland" trailers from apple.com. Now I'm not a hardcore videophile, but holy crap! All of the praise that has been lavished upon the Kuro's is not just fanboy hype. I thought my two year old Panny looked pretty good, especially on HD material, but in comparison to the Kuro, it looks blurry and washed out. The black levels are insanely good and no black crush. That was the one thing that disappointed me about the Panny. It was capable of deeper ultimate black levels, but I have to keep the brightness setting at +5 or there is no shadow detail.

I'm glad I scooped one of these up before they all went away.
post #2069 of 6727
So I've had the 500M now since Sunday and it's been running a break-in DVD 24/7 (Ok almost. I peeked and looked at some HD stuff . . . so shoot me ) in anticipation of D-Nice calibrating my TV this Sunday. I also have a 111 which the 500M took its place in the living room and the 111 now lives in the bedroom . . . which is awesome by the way. Now since I have limited time and I need to have the break-in done by Sunday I couldn't do a lot of side-by-side comparisons but I have done a few checks here and there with the units in two different rooms. I have to say at this point and I could be wrong but I'm not seeing the black levels some of you guys are seeing on the 500M. Maybe I'm doing something wrong since all my time has been wrapped up in colorful break-in slides.
post #2070 of 6727
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Originally Posted by VidPro View Post

So I've had the 500M now since Sunday and it's been running a break-in DVD 24/7 (Ok almost. I peeked and looked at some HD stuff . . . so shoot me ) in anticipation of D-Nice calibrating my TV this Sunday. I also have a 111 which the 500M took its place in the living room and the 111 now lives in the bedroom . . . which is awesome by the way. Now since I have limited time and I need to have the break-in done by Sunday I couldn't do a lot of side-by-side comparisons but I have done a few checks here and there with the units in two different rooms. I have to say at this point and I could be wrong but I'm not seeing the black levels some of you guys are seeing on the 500M. Maybe I'm doing something wrong since all my time has been wrapped up in colorful break-in slides.

I think it would be hard to tell if they were in different rooms because they both have great black levels; probably difficult to see for most even when they are side-by-side...
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