The Official Pioneer 9G North American KRP-500M / KRP-600M Owner's Discussion Pt. II - Page 73

Originally Posted by WestTenn

Quick question from an av noob. I know it is not recommended to use powered speakers with this panel without a leveler. I am still considering purchasing the 500m, but can I simply plug in my Polk m30's to the back of this set? Will it drive these speakers?

Thanks for your help.

WT

Originally Posted by UBHappy


The Polk M30 is physically a larger speaker than the Energy Take 5 sats (5.25" vs. 3" mid speaker; 1" vs. 0.75" tweeter) and will probably need a bit more power to drive these speaker elements compared to the Take 5s. I would recommend that you try the Polk M30s with the 500M to see if they give you the volume levels that you desire. BTW the 500M ships with R/L speaker cables (about 4-5' long) to connect your own speakers.

Originally Posted by elite-home

There are 2 factors at play here that will significantly derail your assertions, 1. Optometrists have verified that eye site is not as "accurate" as you portray or contend them to be "out of the box", or else we would have no need for enhancement techniques designed to provide better adjustment to our vision which tend to be done with instruments, meters and the like- somewhat similar to calibration, right? 2. There is no such thing as a true, or real videophile as you contend- this is simply another chiding degradation to other forum members who respectfully decline your self-anointed status as the grand pooh bah of Kuroistic display technology. Again, you are allowed your opinion and you can ASS-U-ME to be the be all end all of non-calibrated panel dwellers but this forum is designed for those who prefer the best possible product display their systems can provide and unfortunately you must admit that calibration provides this solution far better than the options you have contended are superior in comparison.

Originally Posted by ocZZZZ

Anyone know how to hard set dot by dot on an input on the 500m? if I set it, it defaults back to full after the TV is turned off.

Originally Posted by ocZZZZ

Anyone know how to hard set dot by dot on an input on the 500m? if I set it, it defaults back to full after the TV is turned off.

Originally Posted by MarkyM

The only way I have found is to turn off the Auto Side Mask detection mode in the Screen menu.

This setting appears to be global and is not saved separately for the presets
or input signal modes.

I have my HD cable box on Input 5 running 1080i and everything else 1080P coming from my Denon 3808 on Input 6. If I change the detect mode on Input 5, it also affects Input 6. It would be nice to have the detect mode only on for Input 5 (or 1080i). Then Dot by Dot would stay on Input 6. But it doesn't.

Does anyone know if there's anyone left at Pioneer that can (or would) fix the 3 remaining "bugs" in the M's? 1) The "global" side-mask function as above, 2) The "voltage" problem that causes clipping with DRE off and 3) The Auto input mode that won't detect RGB 16-235.

Even at the "bargain" prices we paid for these panels, they weren't cheap and it would be nice if Pioneer would fix one or all of them before leaving the Plasma market for good.

--Mark--

Originally Posted by elite-home

Just make sure you are setting it for each individual incoming source (i.e. 480i/p, 720p and 1080i/p) and once you do so you should not have to keep doing it. It sometimes confuses you because when you toggle channels watching TV you can slip in an out the settings without knowing.

Originally Posted by Zues

Waiting for the review. Also was the black level of the 500m really night and day vs 111fd like some have claimed?

Originally Posted by Mr. Wilby

Are these generally still available? When I visited a "local" Best Buy, I was told that the Pio panels should be available through to the end of the year, but I am just wondering if that is really the case?

Originally Posted by VidPro

D-Nice showed up yesterday morning at 10:00 AM sharp and proceeded to get to work on calibrating my 500M monitor. He installed the patch first to open up the ISF Auto, Day, and Night modes.

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holy cow was the picture awesome! We checked out a clip from Sin City in ISF Night and the depth and pop (yeah I know) was just amazing. It was like a veil was lifted off the TV.

Originally Posted by master92087

3rd Has burn-in been an issue for people?

Originally Posted by jdbimmer

... This is true for all AV modes except ISF Auto/Day/Night ...

Originally Posted by Cloggerdude

I've got the same question as this guy, except change out burn-in for IR. I've read through a lot of the thread, but I wanted to ask the question myself. I am currently looking at purchasing a KRP-500M online.

I'm mostly going to be using the set for games and movies, which is one of the reasons I'm a little concerned about IR. I currently own a 720p Panasonic plasma from a couple of years back. I never really followed any break-in procedures, but I also never really experienced bad IR either.

After reading a lot of reviews here, I recently purchased a Samsung B860 plasma. I performed the full break-in and then settled down to watch a 2 hour blu-ray movie, with widescreen black bars. After the movie was over, I switched to HD cable and the IR from the bars was just horrible. Not only that, but it took close to 20 minutes for it to go away. It has already been returned to the store. I'm assuming that the 500M wouldn't be anywhere near this bad, but it would be nice to hear some feedback from some actual owners.


My second question relates to side viewing angles. After the Samsung B860, I purchased one of the new LG LED tv's, model 47LH90. The picture on this tv is great, but as soon as you move even a little off center the blacks wash out horribly.

I'm pretty sure plasmas in general, not to mention the 500M, don't have this problem, but I figured it was worth mentioning. Thanks in advance for any help you guys can give me. I should have just went with the Pioneer in the first place.

Originally Posted by Zues

I don't rely on equipment. All i know is my 151 like many other first batches of 151's are +green out the box, and it's incredibly simple to raise the reds on the them, drop green a bit, and have a perfectly calibrated picture.

Originally Posted by Zues

I also calibrate to very sensitve grayscale content in movies which makes it very simple. I'm good enough to take sport mode and make it literally as accurate as pure mode.

Originally Posted by Zues

Some would probably prefer it to pure mode. All i can tell you is after evaluating every mode and countless comparisons between all the modes there is no way i'm going to believe some extra isf modes is going to be better than all the modes i already have to work with.

Originally Posted by Cloggerdude

I've got the same question as this guy, except change out burn-in for IR. I've read through a lot of the thread, but I wanted to ask the question myself. I am currently looking at purchasing a KRP-500M online.

I'm mostly going to be using the set for games and movies, which is one of the reasons I'm a little concerned about IR. I currently own a 720p Panasonic plasma from a couple of years back. I never really followed any break-in procedures, but I also never really experienced bad IR either.

After reading a lot of reviews here, I recently purchased a Samsung B860 plasma. I performed the full break-in and then settled down to watch a 2 hour blu-ray movie, with widescreen black bars. After the movie was over, I switched to HD cable and the IR from the bars was just horrible. Not only that, but it took close to 20 minutes for it to go away. It has already been returned to the store. I'm assuming that the 500M wouldn't be anywhere near this bad, but it would be nice to hear some feedback from some actual owners.


My second question relates to side viewing angles. After the Samsung B860, I purchased one of the new LG LED tv's, model 47LH90. The picture on this tv is great, but as soon as you move even a little off center the blacks wash out horribly.

I'm pretty sure plasmas in general, not to mention the 500M, don't have this problem, but I figured it was worth mentioning. Thanks in advance for any help you guys can give me. I should have just went with the Pioneer in the first place.

Originally Posted by Zues

Well they are superior but like i said you have to learn content, and study PQ. Since you paid for calibration on a few panels you would think you would know what a accurate image is by now? But no. You will continue to pay every single time you get a new tv etc. Why? Because you have not learned or will never learn anything in the process. And you will always believe a calibrator, with very accurate equipment superior to the human eye, can do something magically better than you can do. The whole process of watching them with their fancy equipment will make you feel like you can never do it.
And when they leave you think wow, magic.

Originally Posted by VidPro

D-Nice showed up yesterday morning at 10:00 AM sharp and proceeded to get to work on calibrating my 500M monitor.

Originally Posted by Cloggerdude

any general suggestions about what I should do?

Originally Posted by Zues

Well they are superior but like i said you have to learn content, and study PQ. Since you paid for calibration on a few panels you would think you would know what a accurate image is by now? But no. You will continue to pay every single time you get a new tv etc. Why? Because you have not learned or will never learn anything in the process. And you will always believe a calibrator, with very accurate equipment superior to the human eye, can do something magically better than you can do. The whole process of watching them with their fancy equipment will make you feel like you can never do it.
And when they leave you think wow, magic.

Originally Posted by Cloggerdude

Now for another question: How important is it to buy from a Pioneer authorized dealer? I realize that I won't get the warranty if I buy at an "unauthorized" dealer, but I could easily purchase a square trade 3-year warranty for the difference in the price.

We do not cover pre-existing conditions or issues that occur in the first 60 days from item purchase. You should be covered for these issues by the seller, the marketplace (e.g., eBay), and/or the payment provider (e.g., PayPal or a credit card).

If the manufacturer refuses to honor their warranty because they consider your item grey market or not purchased from an authorized retailer, we will still cover you.

Originally Posted by master92087

Does the 500M produce a lot of heat for like a bedroom?

Originally Posted by VidPro

First let me state I did not have much time watching the 500M before calibration. I got it last Sunday and to have D-Nice be able to calibrate it (I wanted to follow his process as much as possible. You may decide it is not necessary.) I had to get the break-in process going as soon as I mounted it to the wall. I did have some time Saturday night and a good portion of Sunday morning to watch some HD material to get a better idea of what the set could do so I could have some sort of comparison between the pre-calibrated and calibrated TV. I've also lived with the 111 for a good seven months so I'm pretty used to that Pioneer goodness everybody talks about.

Anyway, D-Nice showed up yesterday morning at 10:00 AM sharp and proceeded to get to work on calibrating my 500M monitor. He installed the patch first to open up the ISF Auto, Day, and Night modes. He asked me several questions about the equipment I use and how I like to watch movies etc. At that point I just sat there (pretty much over his shoulder. Hope it wasn't too annoying. I know how it is working while someone is watching ) and asked some questions which he was more than happy to answer. I had Pure and the ISF Night/Day calibrated. D-Nice started with Pure and showed me the report generated and gave me a great lesson on what all those lines and bar graphs mean and then showed me the image before and after. It was great having someone do this and be open to questions and most importantly to explain what's happening. Anyway, I was easily able to see the difference and quite happy but what I was really looking forward to was the ISF modes and what they could do. Well after some time and hearing D-Nice under his breath saying perfect as he looked at his results it was time to check out a sample on Bluray and holy cow was the picture awesome! We checked out a clip from Sin City in ISF Night and the depth and pop (yeah I know) was just amazing. It was like a veil was lifted off the TV. Now don't get me wrong, the unit out of the box is excellent but the calibrated ISF modes take it up several notches that shouldn't be missed by anyone owning a Pioneer. And for anyone who wants to know I migrated to the ISF modes pretty quickly after watching the calibrated Pure mode. I think you'll do the same if you get this done.

So to wrap up I feel like I have new TV (I know I do but you know what I mean) and I'm very happy that I had this done. It's kind of like taking your car to the speed shop and having a chip installed and then having a tech tweak the air/fuel mixture to perfection to squeeze out every last drop of power. If D-Nice ever starts working on cars I'll be calling him for that too.

Originally Posted by elite-home

I do not know what the focus is of your postings are but I hope this helped.

Originally Posted by master92087

Does the 500M produce a lot of heat for like a bedroom?

Originally Posted by jdbimmer

The AC power here just went out and back on 4 times in a row within 1 minute while my KRP was on (and for added effect, my subwoofers "ka-thump" and smoke detectors "tweet" loudly each time). Then I got the dreaded 2 red Power Down blink code and it wouldn't power up. Unplugged it and all is well...sheeesh! Time to invest in a better power surge protector or UPS!