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post #241 of 6727
7/16/09 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by coconutgroves View Post

Because I didn't see a useful explanation. A "it doesn't work" doesn't explain why the ISF option is there and accessible.

The feature is there for a reason and I found no other posting that explained it in the level of detail of the posts that were made since my post. The level of info that followed is needed so everyone understands what this does and does not do.

Look on the bright side - more info for the FAQ...

If you did search on the old thread that was closed, you would have found the explanation .

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post16008945
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post #242 of 6727
7/16/09 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by coconutgroves View Post

I also found one page where someone explains that if you make ISF settings for the input, the ISF mode will appear for that input.

You presented an incorrect assumption "if you make ISF settings for the input, the ISF mode will appear" and then asked two questions "what are the pros/cons of this? ...is it still worth experimenting with?" You were told that your assumption was incorrect.

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Originally Posted by coconutgroves View Post

Because I didn't see a useful explanation. A "it doesn't work" doesn't explain why the ISF option is there and accessible.

You didn't ask "why is it there and accessible?".

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Look on the bright side - more info for the FAQ...

So far everyone has believed the Comparison Thread or the outcome of the discussion in the first KRP thread and at this point it's irrelevant. References to the patch were removed from the current FAQ at the request of the moderators.
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post #243 of 6727
7/16/09 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

do any of the calibrators ever come to Barbados??

im sure no one would turn down airfare + room & board
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post #244 of 6727
7/16/09 at 3:32pm
Hi Guys,
I am a recent owner of a 500M, love it immensely, but I'm plagued by phosphor trails...thought I'd be a part of the 98%, but guess not (it's my first plasma). Anyway, I've read mixed experiences with it, but I need to decide soon if I should deal with the colors or go with the XBR9 or B750 LCD. Some people have said that their viewing of phosphor trails has gotten much better after a few months. I think I'm noticing a slight improvement, but not enough to be a happy Kuro owner. I'd like to get your opinions.

1) First, do you see trails at all? If so, is it tolerable, or do you regret your purchase? Any advice?

2) Has anyone had experience with the aforementioned LCDs, possibly before going Kuro?

3) For those who see the trails, would you prefer them over the motion blur and backlighting issues with LCD?

I'd appreciate as much feedback as possible. I have to decide by Monday. I'm planning a crazy movie weekend, so ultimately the decision will be based on whether or not I can deal with the trails, but if others have experienced this and believe that it gets better over time (and that I should keep my Kuro), PLEASE LET ME KNOW! I don't want to exchange the best TV ever for a comparably crappy LCD if the trails will go away or get better. I almost wish that I had never even seen the Kuro and just went with my initial Sammy impulse...God, of all things I've learned in life thus far, "Ignorance is bliss" is perhaps the most relevant of them all! Damn, should've taken the blue pill!
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post #245 of 6727
7/16/09 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by Jordan K View Post

1) First, do you see trails at all? If so, is it tolerable, or do you regret your purchase? Any advice?

I have only seem them in very special circumstances on my previous plasma. The only thing I've seen that helps at all is reducing contrast. I've seen no credible reports of them diminishing with time.
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post #246 of 6727
7/16/09 at 3:51pm
Thanks for the reply bodosom. Unfortunately, I agree with what you wrote about a credible source--the comments I've heard were random and unfounded. I'm guessing that you don't see trailing with your Kuro?
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post #247 of 6727
7/16/09 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by jbrady3324 View Post

Gotcha, so the web-interface really does nothing for isf tweaking.

Assuming your KRP is ISF enabled, you can create and update ISF Day, Night, and Auto memories through the web interface. It works, but it is a clumsy interface to use. The down side is that you are limited to Contrast, Brightness, Color, Tint, and Color Temp/White Balance adjustments - it does not have Gamma and any of the options and controls that you find in the "Pro Adjust" section of the Picture menu. However, it can be useful in making quick changes to existing ISFccc memories that already contain all of your Gamma and Pro Adjust settings - and allow you to do so via the WLAN without having to load 3rd-party software and connect via the serial cable.
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post #248 of 6727
7/16/09 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by Jordan K View Post

Thanks for the reply bodosom. Unfortunately, I agree with what you wrote about a credible source--the comments I've heard were random and unfounded. I'm guessing that you don't see trailing with your Kuro?

No I don't. Given my previous experience I didn't expect to.
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post #249 of 6727
7/16/09 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Jordan K View Post

Hi Guys,
I am a recent owner of a 500M, love it immensely, but I'm plagued by phosphor trails...thought I'd be a part of the 98%, but guess not (it's my first plasma). Anyway, I've read mixed experiences with it, but I need to decide soon if I should deal with the colors or go with the XBR9 or B750 LCD. Some people have said that their viewing of phosphor trails has gotten much better after a few months. I think I'm noticing a slight improvement, but not enough to be a happy Kuro owner. I'd like to get your opinions.

1) First, do you see trails at all? If so, is it tolerable, or do you regret your purchase? Any advice?

2) Has anyone had experience with the aforementioned LCDs, possibly before going Kuro?

3) For those who see the trails, would you prefer them over the motion blur and backlighting issues with LCD?

I'd appreciate as much feedback as possible. I have to decide by Monday. I'm planning a crazy movie weekend, so ultimately the decision will be based on whether or not I can deal with the trails, but if others have experienced this and believe that it gets better over time (and that I should keep my Kuro), PLEASE LET ME KNOW! I don't want to exchange the best TV ever for a comparably crappy LCD if the trails will go away or get better. I almost wish that I had never even seen the Kuro and just went with my initial Sammy impulse...God, of all things I've learned in life thus far, "Ignorance is bliss" is perhaps the most relevant of them all! Damn, should've taken the blue pill!

I wonder if you mean Image Retention? I have never experienced trails, but in a very dark room I can see a faint "Ghost image" if there has been a bright stationary object on the screen.
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post #250 of 6727
7/16/09 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

But without being able to know what the default gamma is, it is harder to "calibrate".

The default setting is 0, which measures 2.15 on my display.
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post #251 of 6727
7/16/09 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

I wonder if you mean Image Retention?

No this is a different problem. Actually anyone can see it. Put up a high stim white window and look very closely (like 4 inches away) at the left and right edges. Note the colors. The edges trigger chromatic persistence of vision in some people. For some reason the UK term "plainbows" has become all the rage over in the 9G threads. This as opposed to purple snakes and green trails.

Such colorful language!
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post #252 of 6727
7/16/09 at 5:09pm
l have an sc o5 to go with my 500m, i am wondering which device should i let do my upscaling the avr or the flat panel
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post #253 of 6727
7/16/09 at 5:28pm
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Originally Posted by dtowntke View Post

l have an sc o5 to go with my 500m, i am wondering which device should i let do my upscaling the avr or the flat panel

If you're talking HDMI, I am pretty sure the SC05 and 07 pass HDMI untouched.
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post #254 of 6727
7/16/09 at 5:34pm
well i have a component dvr, so i am talking component
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post #255 of 6727
7/16/09 at 5:35pm
Amheck is correct, it only provides passthrough for HDMI. It uses a Faroudja DCDi for analog inputs only - like for your DVR. I would use the SC05 for that, but compare and see.

EDIT:However, it does not provide video processing of 1080i/720p component signals, so if you have an HD DVR, the question is moot.
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post #256 of 6727
7/16/09 at 6:06pm
FINALLY it's done being setup! Got the speakers and Pioneer 1012 stand attached, both xbox 360's connected (don't ask), cable box and now it's doing the 150 hr burn in. Pics:

Picture of TV in Florida sunlight with blinds open..plasmas are dim during the day they say? :BartMoon:



Pioneer 111FD speakers modded and attached to the 500M:



My awesome gf helped me set everything up
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post #257 of 6727
7/16/09 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

The default setting is 0, which measures 2.15 on my display.


Thanks jdbimmer.
I choose to use "pure" when i "calibrated". Is gamma different on other modes?
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post #258 of 6727
7/16/09 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

You presented an incorrect assumption "if you make ISF settings for the input, the ISF mode will appear" and then asked two questions "what are the pros/cons of this? ...is it still worth experimenting with?" You were told that your assumption was incorrect.


You didn't ask "why is it there and accessible?".

Next time I will make sure my question is up to your satisfaction, Lord Bodosom.


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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

So far everyone has believed the Comparison Thread or the outcome of the discussion in the first KRP thread and at this point it's irrelevant. References to the patch were removed from the current FAQ at the request of the moderators.

I am not "everyone". I wasn't talking about the patch either. And actually, the info provided by jdbimmer have been useful, so I don't consider it "irrelevant." Not everyone knows as much as you, so please forgive us underlings.

Thanks to "everyone" else who has provided useful information on the subject.
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post #259 of 6727
7/16/09 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by coconutgroves View Post

Next time I will make sure my question is up to your satisfaction

Feel free to behave as you like, I was trying to help you.
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post #260 of 6727
7/16/09 at 7:20pm
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

Thanks jdbimmer.
I choose to use "pure" when i "calibrated". Is gamma different on other modes?

Each ISF mode has its own 9pt. gamma which can only be set in ISF mode. They start at 0 out of -4 to +4.
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post #261 of 6727
7/16/09 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

Thanks jdbimmer.
I choose to use "pure" when i "calibrated". Is gamma different on other modes?

If you are talking about ISF gamma, Bodosom answered that above.

If you are asking about non-ISF modes, yes. I measured Pure mode Gamma1-5 here (it's also linked in Bodosom's FAQ), and noted that Standard and User gamma are similar to Pure, but Gamma1-3 curves resemble more of an S-curve rather than Pure's flat gamma. If I recall correctly, Sport was a high to low gamma slope without the s-curve shape in at least one of the Gamma settings.
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post #262 of 6727
7/16/09 at 11:54pm
Ok. Thank you both for answering.
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post #263 of 6727
7/17/09 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by coconutgroves View Post

Next time I will make sure my question is up to your satisfaction, Lord Bodosom.

I am not "everyone". I wasn't talking about the patch either. And actually, the info provided by jdbimmer have been useful, so I don't consider it "irrelevant." Not everyone knows as much as you, so please forgive us underlings.

Thanks to "everyone" else who has provided useful information on the subject.

At least you know your place.

Ever heard the saying don't sh** where you eat?

You may want to avoid alienating those that are well respected and primary contributors to the threads you visit. If bodosom has an opinion regarding what should or shouldn't be posted here he's entitled to it even if enforcing it is futile. Similarly, you are entitled to argue (and post) otherwise, but it doesn't give you the excuse to be a snot.
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post #264 of 6727
7/17/09 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

At least you know your place.

Ever heard the saying don't sh** where you eat?

You may want to avoid alienating those that are well respected and primary contributors to the threads you visit. If bodosom has an opinion regarding what should or shouldn't be posted here he's entitled to it even if enforcing it is futile. Similarly, you are entitled to argue (and post) otherwise, but it doesn't give you the excuse to be a snot.

So it's okay for Bodosom to be a snot? He's so lucky!
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post #265 of 6727
7/17/09 at 9:35am
I think if u want to argue points, do it in a personal message. These threads get so overloaded with pissing contests. Pretty soon you gotta read 10 pages before getting any useful info.
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post #266 of 6727
7/17/09 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by Jordan K View Post

I'd appreciate as much feedback as possible. I have to decide by Monday. I'm planning a crazy movie weekend, so ultimately the decision will be based on whether or not I can deal with the trails, but if others have experienced this and believe that it gets better over time (and that I should keep my Kuro), PLEASE LET ME KNOW! I don't want to exchange the best TV ever for a comparably crappy LCD if the trails will go away or get better. I almost wish that I had never even seen the Kuro and just went with my initial Sammy impulse...God, of all things I've learned in life thus far, "Ignorance is bliss" is perhaps the most relevant of them all! Damn, should've taken the blue pill!

Most people aren't familiar with the issue or when they are, you won't find many of them congregating in an owners thread. You'll get more useful feedback reading/asking in a dedicated thread for the topic, which draws in a much higher number of people dealing with the issue across all plasma makes/models. There is a big thread called something like 'I see plasma trails'. Do a "google search AVS" using some or all of those words to find it.

My recollection from skimming that thread over the years is that some do notice their ability to see the trailing effects diminishes over time. Nothing in the plasma itself changes, just the viewer who eventually becomes less sensitive to it. Probably need more time than your return period to find this out though.

As I recall, I think there was someone at the recent panel shootout in NY who was sensitive to plasma trails and he stated that the Samsung 860 plasma model was the least offensive among the four plasmas on display. Not sure where that post was. Maybe you can find a store which carries both the Samsungs and Kuros and compare them on display to see if one is more tolerable than the other. Good luck with your situation.
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post #267 of 6727
7/17/09 at 10:30am
Hi,

I recently bought krp 500m. Havent used it much, just doing break-in process. I have a question regarding upscaling.

1. Does KRP upscale through all inputs or only certain inputs? If I attach my Wii and my DirectTv HD receiver to my 919 (has no 1080p upconversion), and send it to TV via HDMI, will my KRP upconvert the SD channels, and video (I do watch some youtube videos) from Wii? Or do I need to connect it to other inputs of the TV, if so which ones?

Thanks
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post #268 of 6727
7/17/09 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by got2go View Post

I recently bought krp 500m.

Congratulations on getting an excellent monitor.

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1. Does KRP upscale through all inputs

Yes. All non-1080 inputs are converted to native panel resolution and interlaced inputs are deinterlaced. By the way, the default behavior of DTV DVRs is to scale so if the HD receivers do the same thing it will happen in the receiver not the monitor.
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post #269 of 6727
7/17/09 at 10:53am
I'm evaluating an Oppo BD-83. The KRP fails all of the cadence tests I've done using the -83 as a source. Not surprisingly the BD-83 passed the same set of tests.

So far I've looked at 2 2, 2 3 2 3, 2 3 3 2 and 5 5.
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post #270 of 6727
7/17/09 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I'm evaluating an Oppo BD-83. The KRP fails all of the cadence tests I've done using the -83 as a source. Not surprisingly the BD-83 passed the same set of tests.

So far I've looked at 2 2, 2 3 2 3, 2 3 3 2 and 5 5.

Have you shared this with the folks in the -83 or 9G threads?
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