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post #2521 of 6727
10/13/09 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

amhck runs everything through his receiver and then out to his 600M per HDMI.

And it expands component signal to 0-255 RGB over HDMI? How strange...and pointless.
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post #2522 of 6727
10/13/09 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by chrisherbert View Post

And it expands component signal to 0-255 RGB over HDMI? How strange...and pointless.

I never said that. He has a cable box that will only output RGB 16-235. Since he has everything running through his receiver, all other components must be set to output RGB 16-235 to keep him from having to constantly change between oolorspaces between his two primary source components. If I recall, the Wii wasn't used very much so it would be classifed as one of his primary source components.
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post #2523 of 6727
10/13/09 at 2:59pm
Is there any downside to running all components through a receiver with HDMI?
For example Scientific Atlantic HD DVR, Blue Ray, Wii
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post #2524 of 6727
10/13/09 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by DeanM3 View Post

For my specific panel, majority of the buzz seems to come from the right rear of the panel. Since my panel is located about 12" from drywall, I will be exploring a few options. There has to be a way to make this panel easier to live with. We should all experiment and share our findings.

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Originally Posted by the KRP FAQ View Post

Q. I heard that the KRP buzzes.
a. Many Kuros have a buzz that comes from the glass itself. This is due to the way they work and the way they're made. This is discussed on the Buzz thread. The buzz is a function of APL and can be reduced or eliminated using the Energy Save 2 mode. Not all panels buzz and/or not everyone hears the buzz.

You're conflating two issues. Most buzz conversation is about the panel. Little of it is about the power supply and similar noisy components that radiate to the rear.

I.e. Panasonic solved the front buzz problem by adding another layer of glass to the panel. I suspect that's not a DIY project.
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post #2525 of 6727
10/13/09 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by SalD View Post

I wouldn't go as far as saying my 500M doesn't do well with 720p--that looks just fine--but I have noticed football games on CBS 1080i look a lot better. I observed the exact opposite on my previous set, a 720p Pioneer 5070.

There are any number of factors at play here but it's worth remembering that 720p has (the potential) for significantly higher moving resolution that 1080i. The is typical of progressive versus interlaced and the rationale for some networks choosing 720p over 1080i.
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post #2526 of 6727
10/13/09 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by Amherst View Post

5070= xga/vga resolution
KRP = 1920X1080 resolution

The 5070 had less processing for a 720p picture.

The 5070 is 768p, or 1366x768 which is above xga (1024x768) or vga (640x480). Technically, it's wxga.

In fact most 720p plasmas are not natively 1280x720 and have to perform scaling to fit the panel. I guess 720p->768p scaling might look better since it only has to mess with every 16th pixel.
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post #2527 of 6727
10/13/09 at 3:57pm
My 500M has arrived, apparently in good condition. The instructions for the TS02 stand, however, indicate that the display needs additional stabilization, either using cables to secure the display to the wall or by screwing the stand into the top of the furniture. I cannot do the former and would prefer to avoid the latter if possible.

Any thoughts on the stability of the 500M/TS02 au natural?

Note: I do live in "sunny" California (it's pouring right now), so earthquakes are inevitable though a) even in the Loma Prieta quake (~7.0 monster in 1989) our house suffered virtually no damage, with only a single glass falling and b) in general, by the time an even bigger quake comes, I will want that 80" OLED anyway.
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post #2528 of 6727
10/13/09 at 4:05pm
Just screw onto the furniture, unless it is antique.
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post #2529 of 6727
10/13/09 at 4:16pm
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Originally Posted by BetTheRiver View Post

Any thoughts on the stability of the 500M/TS02 au natural?

It's quite stable. However in places prone to seismic activity (say Japan or California) you need something a bit stronger than museum wax in the face of an earthquake -- hence the stabilization points.
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post #2530 of 6727
10/13/09 at 4:59pm
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Originally Posted by BetTheRiver View Post

My 500M has arrived, apparently in good condition. The instructions for the TS02 stand, however, indicate that the display needs additional stabilization, either using cables to secure the display to the wall or by screwing the stand into the top of the furniture. I cannot do the former and would prefer to avoid the latter if possible.

Any thoughts on the stability of the 500M/TS02 au natural?

Note: I do live in "sunny" California (it's pouring right now), so earthquakes are inevitable though a) even in the Loma Prieta quake (~7.0 monster in 1989) our house suffered virtually no damage, with only a single glass falling and b) in general, by the time an even bigger quake comes, I will want that 80" OLED anyway.

I asked the same question here:http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...highlight=ts02 and you can read more comments.

For mine, you will have to wait until my KRP-500M is installed tomorrow!
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post #2531 of 6727
10/13/09 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

amhck runs everything through his receiver and then out to his 600M per HDMI.

Is there any downside to running all components through a receiver with HDMI?
For example Scientific Atlantic 8300HD DVR , Blue Ray (BD-2500), Wii

Sorry to have to ask again, but I'm really interested in this question and it looks like the info is moving to earthquakes and furniture, so I wanted to quickly ask again before we get too far away. I tried to find "amhck", but didn't have any luck. I dont mind pming him if someone can tell me how to track down his profile, if that's easier.

Thanks
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post #2532 of 6727
10/13/09 at 5:14pm
Yep, the Pioneers are very stable on their stands, but that's assuming nobody running around trying to tackle the TV or earthquakes that might shake them off a table.
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post #2533 of 6727
10/13/09 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by dirtybay View Post

Is there any downside to running all components through a receiver with HDMI?

In the case of the KRP:
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Originally Posted by the KRP FAQ View Post

Q. Speaking of Y'CbCr what are the right settings for my PS3?
a. ... Note that mixing certain devices on the same port (5 or 6) via a switch or AVR may cause problems. ...

In the general case it depends.
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post #2534 of 6727
10/13/09 at 5:25pm
thank you very much for your response....the wii is the least of my concerns. Is there anyway to know for sure if the BluRay player and the HD Cable box routed through the tuner will be manageable? Is it a better practice to rout them separately through dedicated inputs?
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post #2535 of 6727
10/13/09 at 7:03pm
My KRP-500M is just beginning the break-in procedures, and I wanted to ask a couple "is this normal" questions:

1) Running Evangelo2's break-in DVD, I definitely notice flicker on the entire screen, exactly like when a CRT monitor is running at a low refresh rate. Is this normal?

2) The entire bezel around the panel is loose and there doesn't seem to be a way of tightening it. Is this common with this particular model?

Thanks.
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post #2536 of 6727
10/13/09 at 7:28pm
Hi D-Nice

Just took delivery on a KRP-600 that could use your expertise

I know there at least 25+ KRP Owners in the Silicon Valley/San Fran Area

Can you let us all know if you are open for a Calibration tour anytime in the next 6 months? I am sponsoring dinner if you grace us with your talent :>)

Thanks
Greg
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post #2537 of 6727
10/13/09 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by IamMark View Post

My KRP-500M is just beginning the break-in procedures, and I wanted to ask a couple "is this normal" questions:

1) Running Evangelo2's break-in DVD, I definitely notice flicker on the entire screen, exactly like when a CRT monitor is running at a low refresh rate. Is this normal?

2) The entire bezel around the panel is loose and there doesn't seem to be a way of tightening it. Is this common with this particular model?

Thanks.

A few people, myself included, have noticed a slightly loose bezel. Mine seems to have a little bit of give in the top-center portion. Seems to be solid everywhere else.
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post #2538 of 6727
10/13/09 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by IamMark View Post

My KRP-500M is just beginning the break-in procedures, and I wanted to ask a couple "is this normal" questions:

1) Running Evangelo2's break-in DVD, I definitely notice flicker on the entire screen, exactly like when a CRT monitor is running at a low refresh rate. Is this normal?

2) The entire bezel around the panel is loose and there doesn't seem to be a way of tightening it. Is this common with this particular model?

Thanks.

I'm running the break-in slides now, too, on the D-Nice break-in settings and notice similar flicker (esp. on the lightest-colored slides). Searching around the forums a little seems to confirm that plasmas have some flicker (this is my first).

Like hhaller's, my bezel has a little give at top, center.
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post #2539 of 6727
10/13/09 at 10:25pm
Hi,

Doing the KRP Warm Up with PS3 and I have a bad HDMI Cable

Can I use the Break-In DVD and feed in with regular Video input until I get a new HDMI cable?
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post #2540 of 6727
10/13/09 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by BetTheRiver View Post

Note: I do live in "sunny" California (it's pouring right now), so earthquakes are inevitable though a) even in the Loma Prieta quake (~7.0 monster in 1989) our house suffered virtually no damage, with only a single glass falling and b) in general, by the time an even bigger quake comes, I will want that 80" OLED anyway.

I live 'on' the Hayward Fault. If that sukkah goes, my house is toast along with everything in it... bolted down or not.

Short of that... yeah, as soon as the exact position has been finalized I plan to put two holes in my lovely handmade credenza and secure my 600m. I'll use bolts, not the tiny screws that come with the stand.

I'd hate to have this beauty be one of the casualties of a moderate temblor.

(And as for Greg's invite for D-Nice to come to the Bay Area to do some fine tuning... count me in. )

shane
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post #2541 of 6727
10/13/09 at 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by Gtarr View Post

Hi,

Doing the KRP Warm Up with PS3 and I have a bad HDMI Cable

Can I use the Break-In DVD and feed in with regular Video input until I get a new HDMI cable?

Yes, it's fine to use a standard video signal for the burn in. As long as the burn-in images fill the entire screen, that's all that matters.
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post #2542 of 6727
10/13/09 at 10:48pm
My screen is not filled all the way after following the setup instructions

How do I fill the screen all the way?
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post #2543 of 6727
10/13/09 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by Gtarr View Post

My screen is not filled all the way after following the setup instructions

How do I fill the screen all the way?

Try one of the picture stretching modes, like wide 1 or wide 2.
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post #2544 of 6727
10/13/09 at 10:57pm
I need help.. I just ordered my first Plasma, the Pioneer KRP-500M and I am confused about how to break it in. The Kuro won't be here for a week since I bought it online but I need to know what to do once I get it.


With my Sony XBR tube, I typed in a secret code to enter "service mode" then put in the Avia TV Calibration DVD and adjusted settings until all the different tests looked good to me.


Now where do I start with this new KURO I have on the way?? Is there secret code to enter using the remote to enter service mode??


I did a search and found all sorts of different settings for break in. Do I need to enter a "service mode" to make these settings changes?? If so, then how do you enter service mode?? Do I set the Kuro a certain way for the first 150 hours, watch movies then after the first 150 hours is up set it differently? Is there a "Kuro break-in for Dummies" thread??
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post #2545 of 6727
10/13/09 at 10:59pm
Ok, Got the screen filled up,

I have a new PS3 Slim, is there a way to set up the PS3 to keep looping the 42 minute Break-In Disc for my KRP-600 as I need to play it 214 times this week to equal 150 hours
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post #2546 of 6727
10/13/09 at 11:06pm
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Originally Posted by Gtarr View Post

Ok, Got the screen filled up,

I have a new PS3 Slim, is there a way to set up the PS3 to keep looping the 42 minute Break-In Disc for my KRP-600 as I need to play it 214 times this week to equal 150 hours

Check your manual for a "repeat" or "loop" option.
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post #2547 of 6727
10/13/09 at 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by tom63376 View Post

I need help.. I just ordered my first Plasma, the Pioneer KRP-500M and I am confused about how to break it in. The Kuro won't be here for a week since I bought it online but I need to know what to do once I get it.


With my Sony XBR tube, I typed in a secret code to enter "service mode" then put in the Avia TV Calibration DVD and adjusted settings until all the different tests looked good to me.


Now where do I start with this new KURO I have on the way?? Is there secret code to enter using the remote to enter service mode??


I did a search and found all sorts of different settings for break in. Do I need to enter a "service mode" to make these settings changes?? If so, then how do you enter service mode?? Do I set the Kuro a certain way for the first 150 hours, watch movies then after the first 150 hours is up set it differently? Is there a "Kuro break-in for Dummies" thread??

You don't need to enter a service menu to adjust the Kuro picture settings. The user accessible settings give you a lot more control over the picture than most, including the ability to set the RGB values separately and multiple gamma setting, among many many others.

The need for break-in is debatable. The phosphors of the panel will age more rapidly during the first few hundred hours, after which they settle. You can pretty much use the TV normally during the break-in period, but it is best to avoid windowed 4:3 or letter boxed images. You will want to wait until after the first few hundred hours to dial in the picture settings, or they will shift a bit and you'll have to do it again.

If you want to accelerate the break-in, you can run the set continuously with the break-in images posted here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1053444
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post #2548 of 6727
10/14/09 at 4:36am
If i may ask how is the glare/reflection on the 500m as compared to maybe the panny v10.I'm in the mkkt for a 50" plasma but havent decided yet on which one.thanks
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post #2549 of 6727
10/14/09 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by Gtarr View Post

Hi D-Nice

Just took delivery on a KRP-600 that could use your expertise

I know there at least 25+ KRP Owners in the Silicon Valley/San Fran Area

Can you let us all know if you are open for a Calibration tour anytime in the next 6 months? I am sponsoring dinner if you grace us with your talent :>)

Thanks
Greg

Check your PM.
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post #2550 of 6727
10/14/09 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by IamMark View Post

1) Running Evangelo2's break-in DVD, I definitely notice flicker on the entire screen, exactly like when a CRT monitor is running at a low refresh rate. Is this normal?

2) The entire bezel around the panel is loose and there doesn't seem to be a way of tightening it. Is this common with this particular model?

1) Yes, if it's slight.

2) Loose is a bit subjective. My bezel has a few mm of give at the lower left and upper right corners and half that in random other spots. The bezel can be replaced which suggests it can be tightened. I believe the process is challenging.
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