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post #2911 of 6727
10/29/09 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by octick View Post

I found this in another forum. Does these criteria hold true for KRPs? Do I need to call to get a covered warranty in California?

For legal advice I'd suggest you consult with your attorney.

However the KRP is neither an Elite or Signature Elite according to the Pioneer web site.
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post #2912 of 6727
10/29/09 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by deboman View Post

They are listed on Pioneer's web-site and they show Pioneer's authorized logo on their web-site. I had no problem with my warranty registration.

They are most definitely an authorized dealer. I have already had a warranty issue with my screen covered by Pio on a tv I purchased in late Sept thru Beach Camera.
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post #2913 of 6727
10/29/09 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

For legal advice I'd suggest you consult with your attorney.

However the KRP is neither an Elite or Signature Elite according to the Pioneer web site.


But it still might have the same limitations. Value Electronics has a stipulation similar to that.
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post #2914 of 6727
10/29/09 at 11:12am
Bodosom -

Here's a rough idea of what I'm seeing (or the lack of).

Sweeney Todd HD trailer on:

Mackbook Pro (screen grab)


Kuro 600M with +2 brightness and gamma setting of 2


Kuro 600M with +6 brightness and gamma setting of 4


Of course with a brightness of +6, it ruins the ultimate black level.

Thoughts?
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post #2915 of 6727
10/29/09 at 12:39pm
It was my pleasure. Enjoy your 600M
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Originally Posted by leminhq18 View Post

It was my pleasure to have D-nice coming to my house to calibrate my KRP-600M last weekend. I had been reading this forum for many years and ran into this topic about this KRP-M series 2 months ago. After reading all the good reviews and comments from the AVS members about this model, and I also own a Pioneer(the PDP505), so I decided that I had to have this TV before they are gone. I bought my Kuro a month ago, and ran Evangelo's break-in DVD for 160 hrs per D-nice setting. I also used Elite-home's pure mode setting before the set being calibrated.

D-nice arrived at my house on time. He first installed the ISFccc patch, then performed a pre calibration analysis in pure mode. He asked me about how I normally use the TV, and how many inputs that I want to apply the ISFccc mode settings. I told him that I wanted the 2 HDMI and a component inputs with the ISF-day, ISF-night, ISF-auto, and Pure Mode calibrated. I said no problem, and went right to work.
The calibration took about 2 and half hours. After the calibration was done, D-nice showed me the reports and explained them to me. He also demoed the before and after calibrated PQ, and they looked dramatically different. He also setting all the color spaces of all my input components (OPPO-BDP 83 and DirecTV HD box) to match the best input and give the best black level and PQ of the TV. Then he put on one of his bluray movie, I guess it was Transformer 2, to demo the ISF-day mode. And OMG, the picture looked stunning, the picture was very clean and had great depth with jaw-droping details, the white are very white and clean, and the black is so black and breath taking. I had watched the Elite home's pure mode, the picture was already excellent. But with the calibrated ISFccc mode, the picture is exponental improved. Thanks D-nice for the excellent job and brought my TV to its highest potental . If you are thinking about a proffesional calibation, do it with the ISFccc patch. It is worth every penny. And if you happen to get D-nice to do it, it would be a plus. I highly recommend him. He is a perfectionist and passionate on this kind of work. He willing to provide all the reports and settings that I may need, and willing to answer any question that I have and help after the work are done. Also I would like to thank Turbe for getting the patch so we all have the KRP-M series up to their highest level of performance.

I also would like to thank Pete (p59teitel) for helping me about all the information about his calibration .

Here are the generic reports of my KRP-600M calibation. Thanks D-nice for providing them .
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post #2916 of 6727
10/29/09 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Thoughts?

The framegrab looks right. The others are too bright assuming it's the same frame.
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post #2917 of 6727
10/29/09 at 1:05pm
The display I'm on now is extremely ill-suited to critically viewing screenshots, so I'll simply say that more detail does not always = accurate.

Generally, the more you crank up the brightness control, the more details you'll see. As you've noted, you'll also kill the black level. There is a correct balance between crushing blacks and seeing more detail than you're "supposed" to. Correctly setting your brightness via test patterns and correctly setting gamma via a light meter/software is the only way to be sure that you're getting the correct amount of shadow detail (assuming a good quality source).
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post #2918 of 6727
10/29/09 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by leminhq18 View Post

I had watched the Elite home's pure mode, the picture was already excellent. But with the calibrated ISFccc mode, the picture is exponental improved.



Thanks for your Report
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post #2919 of 6727
10/29/09 at 3:31pm
Hello Esteemed Pioneer heads!

Please do not shoot the n00b! I have a few questions:

1) Looked at the manual and it does not look like the mount for the KRP 500M is the default VESA mount configuration - has this been a problem for some? I have the OmniMount Cantilever PLASMA-CL with the adapter plate called PLAD-UM1

2) I want to hook this thing up to my HTPC running Windows 7 using an ATO 2600 Pro video card. I can use the HDMI port, but the monitor does not seem to support 1920x1080 on the resolution chart for the port (HDMI/DVI) in the manual (chart 9.2.5)! What do other do? What I want is wicked blacks from my HTPC with the discrete ATI card. Also, has anyone been able to get great blacks and color from a bluray drive on the HTPC? The HTPC is quad core Intel Q6600 with 4 gigs of ram and a terrabyte or more of disk space. I would be using PowerDVD for bluray playback on the win7 machine.

3) I also have a DirectTV HD20, but I am guessing that HDMI to HDMI there will be no issue at all.

4) What machine and/or video card is required to use the burn in disk from D-Nice?

5) Once it is "burned in" can I use the off the shelf values that D-Nice has defined for all inputs, or do I still need to calibrate each input type (HTPC and DirecTV)?

Again super n00b. I can talk to and about Win7 and HTPC for hours, but I have zero knowledge around this particular monitor. Thanks in advance for any help you can all provide!
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post #2920 of 6727
10/29/09 at 5:48pm
Ordered 500M with D-Nice full burnin and cal via VE. There is as I understand an extra mode or input that can be calibrated. By preferred setup is HDMIs from SA8300HD and 23FD into 23TXH then into 500M. However, there is a posssibility of interface issues with the HDMI SA8300HD and the 23TXH.

I currently have a Sony 40XBR800 with a DVI input that I haven't used before. So I went to Walmart and bought a HDMI/DVI cable ($30 ouch!! but Radio Shack wants $55 would have ordered online but wanted to check this interface). Connected cable to 8300HD and DVI input on the 40XBR. No apparent problem. Switching between HD and SD channels did not present any issues except maybe slower. I could not compare video between component and HDMI because apparently the 8300HD inhibits the component output when HDMI is connected.

I want to try my Sony DVD player using the HDMI/DVI cable also. According to Sony manual when the player is connected via said cable the color signal will switch from the expected YPRPB to RGB. Not sure why and not sure if the 40XBR will recognize the RGB signal correctly. There is no color settings on any of these units.

So that is my state of affairs. I have been reading all I can about problems with the HDMI interface with receivers, switches etc. So I was thinking of a backup to the calibrated HDMI input. Perhaps the component or the DVI. Just want to have another calibrated input to use with the STB if there is any interface issues. Any suggestions on input and video mode? D-Nice? I was thinking nighttime ISF.
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post #2921 of 6727
10/29/09 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by RogueWarrior View Post

1) Looked at the manual and it does not look like the mount for the KRP 500M is the default VESA mount configuration - has this been a problem for some?

Most 50 inch compatible "universal" mounts should be fine.
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Originally Posted by the KRP FAQ View Post

Q. What about a wall-mount?
a. Note that though they use M8 bolts neither monitor is VESA MIS-F compatible. The 600M (like the 141FD and 151FD) has four mounting holes in an 850x500mm (WxH) pattern and the 500M has six mounting holes on 496x150mm (WxH) centers. The 500M works with most universal mounts but the 600M is a bit fussier.
1) The official 500M wall mount is the KRP-WM02.

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2) I want to hook this thing up to my HTPC running Windows 7 using an ATO 2600 Pro video card. I can use the HDMI port, but the monitor does not seem to support 1920x1080 on the resolution chart for the port (HDMI/DVI) in the manual (chart 9.2.5)!

The digital ports on a KRP can be configured for Video mode or "PC" mode. That table is for PC mode resolutions. If your video card will drive a 1080p television then use Video mode and set your card to desired resolution (480i/p, 720p, 1080i/p).

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4) What machine and/or video card is required to use the burn in disk from D-Nice?

The Evangelo2 DVD is standard disc image so any DVD player should work.

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5) Once it is "burned in" can I use the off the shelf values that D-Nice has defined for all inputs

You can try and see what you think. Given standards compliant input the same set of adjustments is appropriate.

Do note the following about the D-Nice panel aging process.

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Originally Posted by the KRP FAQ View Post

Q. Should I use the D-Nice panel aging (break-in) process? Can I watch regular programming while running his procedure?
a. If you want to use the D-Nice 500M reference settings you should use the D-Nice panel aging protocol. ... If you don't intend to use the D-Nice settings or your KRP will be calibrated then you don't need to follow his procedure. The documented procedure doesn't say you can deviate by watching other content and further postings say follow the procedure to a "T".
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post #2922 of 6727
10/29/09 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by clkirksey View Post

I have been reading all I can about problems with the HDMI interface with receivers, switches etc. So I was thinking of a backup to the calibrated HDMI input.

Is there a reason you don't just use the second HDMI port on the KRP?

I think I don't quite understand the problem you're trying to solve.
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post #2923 of 6727
10/29/09 at 7:06pm
I just got my pioneer krp-500m on 10/28/09 and i should be getting the break-in dvd next week as well. My question is can i use the krp-500m to see full image blu-ray dvds before the break-in dvd is run?
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post #2924 of 6727
10/29/09 at 7:08pm
The problem maybe a "none" problem. This is a backup plan if the STB has any HDMI issues. If I hookup HDMI from STB to 500M I will send sound from STB to A/V Rec via opical or coaxial if STB outputs these. I do not know if this is possible certainly with component video no problem. This also requires switching inputs on the 500m. I was trying to avoid this. Use one remote to control everything.

Maybe this will not be a problem but there have been HDMI interface problems. You have even commented on them. If there is a problem I want at least on video input that is calibrated that will work with the SA8300HD as a backup.
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post #2925 of 6727
10/29/09 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Is there a reason you don't just use the second HDMI port on the KRP?

I think I don't quite understand the problem you're trying to solve.

I am confused as well. I use dual screens. Screen 0 is connected to a VGA monitor via the VGA port. Screen 1 is connected to KRP-500M (HDMI port 6) via a HDMI cable from the computer's HDMI port.
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post #2926 of 6727
10/29/09 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by clkirksey View Post

If there is a problem I want at least on video input that is calibrated that will work with the SA8300HD as a backup.

If you find the only solution to a colorspace problem is separate inputs then you simply have to switch inputs. But there's no reason to not to use both HDMI inputs. The FAQ is weak in this area but I believe it's a rare problem. If you're concerned about using an uncalibrated input you should inquire regarding copying the HDMI-1 settings to HDMI-2.

The single remote problem is often solved by using a "universal" remote.

But first you should verify that you have a problem.
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post #2927 of 6727
10/30/09 at 12:24am
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Originally Posted by bobaphx View Post

I've purchased a KRP-600M and called a local AVS Forum recommended ISFccc Professional to to Calibrate my new Kuro. He told me he doesn't use the IFC patch for calibrating a 600M. It voids the warranty and he can calibrate just as well using the normal user controls.
Ia this indeed true? If I am going to pay to have a calibration, I want the best I can get.

he may be able to calibrate it just fine with the normal controls. But if you want your 600M panel to be calibrated to it's full potential then you need to get the ISFccc patch from Turbe.

The ISFccc settings in the 9G Elite/Sig panels and (the M panels with the ISFccc patch from Turbe) allow for expanded setting options that cannot be matched using the normal controls ( So no what he told you is not true......).

so if you want the best then find a good tech that will calibrate it with the ISFccc options setup.
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post #2928 of 6727
10/30/09 at 3:11am
Where is the list of ISF folks set-up to calibrate and install the patch, etc?

I'm in Dallas, TX and I'll be looking to get my 500M calibrated soon.
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post #2929 of 6727
10/30/09 at 4:38am
An update on the Denon and 500M saga.

Seems that the issue is the Denon wants to have the HDMI out on RGB Enhanced. I watched Drag Me to Hell last night on regular DVD and it looked great. More side by sides with the 111 this week to see how big of a difference.

By the way, even a regular DVD on the calibrated 500M was fantastic.
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post #2930 of 6727
10/30/09 at 4:40am
OK here is a quote from someone at AVS:

The 500/600M have a quirk when it comes to RGB signals. It will always default to RGB 0-255 when set to Auto. If you have source equpiment that sends RGB 16-235 signals, you have to force the 500/600M to use RGB 16-235 as you stated. In your case, the only soulution would be to use one of your display's HDMI input for your cable box and the other for your 74 receiver. Your HD DVD player isn't capable of sending a 16-235 RGB signal.

Notice the last statement. Can the 23FD be set to send 16-235 RGB? My HA8300HD outputs what? 16-235 RGB? I don't know and have found no data from SA/Cisco to say what the format is. If I have to use two inputs so be it. I just want to know what is going to work before the 500M is calibrated.
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post #2931 of 6727
10/30/09 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by clkirksey View Post

Notice the last statement. Can the 23FD be set to send 16-235 RGB?

Yes, and the instructions to do so are in the manual.
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My HA8300HD outputs what? 16-235 RGB?

Yes. And it can't be changed.

If you configure the 23FD to RGB16-235, you can connect both devices via a (AVR or HDMI) switch to 1 KRP HDMI input configured as RGB16-235.
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post #2932 of 6727
10/30/09 at 8:02am
Hi all,

New owner of a KRP-500M here and I'm going bald trying to figure out the component connection (Input 2) on this thing. Tried a search but haven't found any relevant info and am desperately hoping someone has some advice.

My setup has an Oppo DVD player, Tivo S3, & PS2 going into my AVR (NAD T763) which in turn outputs via component to the TV. This all worked fine on my previous Hitachi flat panel and Samsung tube tv before that but the KRP acts like there is no signal at all coming to it...it won't let me switch to 'Input 2' no matter what I try.

I've also tried running component connections direct from the Oppo to the KRP as well without luck. If I use the HDMI outputs directly from the Tivo or Oppo to the KRP all is fine but this kinda defeats the purpose of pushing everything through the AVR as a video switcher (and unfortunately upgrading AVR to something with HDMI switching is not an option right now).

Any thoughts or suggestions on (hopefully) what I'm doing wrong?
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post #2933 of 6727
10/30/09 at 9:30am
I'm considering a jump to the 500m but wonder how dramatic the improvement will be coming from a Panny TH-50PHD6UY 768p panel. The HDMI inputs on the 500m would be nice since my current display only has component and DVI. My better half seemed fairly impressed with a Samsung 240Hz LCD and its motion tricks but I watch a lot of sports and prefer to stick with plasma. What do you guys think?
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post #2934 of 6727
10/30/09 at 9:35am
Anyone using a PM300 mount with their synergy salamander, and a 600M ? I wanted to know how much clearance I would have beneath the monitor..Also it looks like I would need the extender FX200 kit as well for 60", even though it appears to be enough holes, and can slide wider than needed. I'm rabbling now

Thanks

Djoel
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post #2935 of 6727
10/30/09 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by sll0037 View Post

Where is the list of ISF folks set-up to calibrate and install the patch, etc?

I'm in Dallas, TX and I'll be looking to get my 500M calibrated soon.

Here: Professional Calibrators who can calibrate the NA Pioneer Patched KRP-M's

I still need to add names (I have another for Texas) and also several of the Calibrators cover other States... I'll update later
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post #2936 of 6727
10/30/09 at 9:50am
Turbe or anyone else with an HTPC - I see you have said that you have an HTPC driving the 500M.

Does anyone have a 500M being driven successfully by a Windows 7 HTPC? Have you ben able to watch BluRay on it? That is what I want to do, and would love to know which Video Card you are using to drive the 500M successfully on a Windows 7 HTPC.

Thanks!
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post #2937 of 6727
10/30/09 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by DJ Vision View Post

I'm considering a jump to the 500m but wonder how dramatic the improvement will be coming from a Panny TH-50PHD6UY 768p panel. The HDMI inputs on the 500m would be nice since my current display only has component and DVI. My better half seemed fairly impressed with a Samsung 240Hz LCD and its motion tricks but I watch a lot of sports and prefer to stick with plasma. What do you guys think?

Funny you should ask. I had the panny TH-42PHD6UY, and thought it still looked pretty darn good. But then I saw the prices on the 500M and that they would soon be gone for ever, started reading some posts, and I just upgraded to the 500M. I also got a new pio elite receiver and pio elite BD player and had the 500M burned in and ISF calibrated before it was shipped to me (thanks again to D-Nice!).

The difference is extremely dramatic. The blacks are WAYYYYYYYYYY blacker, the colors are alot more accurate, and there is much more pop to the images. You will see alot more detail, some of the blurays are amazing to watch. Sports are so amazing on this, it will totally blow away any LCD and almost all of the plasmas. It even tops the most recent elites like the 111FD, apparently due to these sets being the last ones built by pio and getting some 10g tech. Take my advice, don't even consider a Sammy, this is way better and is a BIGGGGGG jump up from what you have now.

I highly recommend the ISFccc patch and calibration, the day and night modes are great, value electronics will do it ahead of time, or you could just get the display and always get the patch and calibration later. Many people like to tweak it themselves and even add the patch and calibrate themselves, I wanted to just buy it and watch.
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post #2938 of 6727
10/30/09 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by DJ Vision View Post

I'm considering a jump to the 500m but wonder how dramatic the improvement will be coming from a Panny TH-50PHD6UY 768p panel. The HDMI inputs on the 500m would be nice since my current display only has component and DVI. My better half seemed fairly impressed with a Samsung 240Hz LCD and its motion tricks but I watch a lot of sports and prefer to stick with plasma. What do you guys think?

DJ.
I agree with Jonesy11. I had the TH-50PHD8UK. It was a fantastic monitor and is now being extremely enjoyed by a co-worker.

With my 600m, there is a night and day difference in blacks. Night and day in color banding, tones, richness of colors, depth, etc. Truly a HUGE step up.

I loved my Panny, but I'm blown away on a daily basis with the 600m.
LCD's are fine for some people, but I could never be happy with the ones I've seen. This is one of the best purchases I've ever made. No regrets whatsover and am more and more happy as the days and movies pass...

To know the KRP's is to love them.

shane
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post #2939 of 6727
10/30/09 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Does it still swivel?

DJOel

YEs, the 500M on a PDK-1012 still swivels. I have mine on a 1012 and it looks great.
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post #2940 of 6727
10/30/09 at 1:31pm
Very nice piece of software.

Thanks to jdbimmer for all the work that's been put into this.

shane
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