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post #3151 of 6727
I just wanted to thank everybody who contributed to this thread. It took me several days of reading and collecting information on here but it was well worth it.

I received my krp-600m last last Friday and used the info here to to make sure that I did not have a cracked screen when I took delivery. I'm now running the break in dvd and hope to get it calibrated by Robert Busch this Friday. Looking forward to seeing the Pacman vs Cotto fight on Saturday with this beauty.

Thanks again everyone.
post #3152 of 6727
I just completed my 200 hours break-in and set my krp-500m to the d-nice setting. I have to say that it looked very good. I am looking at "Up" and it looks great!
post #3153 of 6727
got my 500m today but the damn remote won't turn the thing on. I can't find anywhere in the manual that says how to program the remote to the tv itself. Can anyone help me out? The remote turns on my Elite so I know it works.
Thanks
post #3154 of 6727
Do you have the main power switch on the bottom of the panel flipped?
post #3155 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

There are certain builds that calibrate better than others. I know the build date of your particular panel and yes, it is one of the "calibrate better" batches.

You're such a tease. Aren't you going to share the details?
post #3156 of 6727
Newb question. I'm a bit confused about upconverting material on my KRP-500M. How do you choose which component handles the upconverting? Is this done on the 500M or on my Pioneer BDP-320 Blu-ray? Also, is it possible to upconvert my TivoHD content (including Standard Definition), and if so, where/how is this handled?

Thanks.
post #3157 of 6727
Well, it appears I've opened a can of worms. Sorry D-Nice
post #3158 of 6727
I have a recently purchased 600M.

I downloaded the break-in .ISO file on DNice's link, burned to DVD and started it on repeat in my player.

I have an old DVD player -- the most advanced output is component video so I am running that to the 600M.

I set the adjustments per DNice's 500M/600M panel-aging settings page and I am prepared to run for 150-200 hours.

Two questions:
1) Am I missing something and screwing up my monitor or does the above sound correct? The monitor shows the input to be only 480i with the DVD running, but I am looking at the display showing solid edge-to-edge color that changes value every 30 seconds.

2) If all the monitor does for the next two hundred hours of its panel life is display the break-in DVD, does it have to be a continuous 150-200 hours?

If I break up the cumulative 200 hours, I can easily stop and start the DVD at the beginning for each burn-in session so there is even distribution of the colors. Plus, even though the settings are at the higher 'break-in' values, the only thing the monitor is displaying when on are the full-screen color images.

My family can watch our old TV during break-in, no matter how long it takes. And while it would take longer to accumulate 200 hours, breaking it into chunks would allow me to run it when someone is home to oversee.

Thanks for your help.

David
post #3159 of 6727
I have been running my 500M continuously all day today. The picture is spectacularly beautiful, but there is a burnt smell. Is this normal?

TIA!
post #3160 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

Pretty good detective work, lol. Thanks for that info. To be honest, I was hoping for, "I know the build date of your particular panel and yes, it is one of the "better blacks" batches." I was truly torn between the 500M and it's "industry best" blacks and the 600M for the shear size impact. I know it is not a tremendous difference in black levels, but there is something satisfying knowing that you're looking at the absolute blackest blacks that are currently available. Size won out, but I wish this was a best of both worlds proposition.



Lucky bashtard

Djoel
post #3161 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamMark View Post

Newb question. I'm a bit confused about upconverting material on my KRP-500M. How do you choose which component handles the upconverting? Is this done on the 500M or on my Pioneer BDP-320 Blu-ray? Also, is it possible to upconvert my TivoHD content (including Standard Definition), and if so, where/how is this handled?

Thanks.

The 500M will automatically scale/upconvert all content/signal to its native resolution of 1080p no matter what input you give it (unless of course you are already feeding it a 1080p signal, then the 500M has no need to upconvert it). So if you would prefer that the 500M do the upscaling, then you simply set the source device to output "native resolution". This means for example, that if you have the 320 set to "native" and play a SD DVD, the 320 will output a 480i signal and the 500M will then upconvert it to 1080p. If you prefer the 320 to do the upconversion, then set it to output everything at 1080p and the 500M will not have to do any upconverting because the input signal will already be 1080p. Same goes for the Tivo. You can set it to output everything at one resolution like 1080i (in which case the Tivo will upcovert/output everything at 1080i) and then the 500M will convert it to 1080p. Or you can set the Tivo to "native" and in that scenario, the 500M would do all the upconversion/scaling. The settings for the 320 and the Tivo I am referring to are all located in the settings menu of the devices. I would try both scenarios where you let the 500M do the upconversion vs letting the source device do the job, see which image is the most appealing to you, and go with that.
post #3162 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Lucky bashtard

Djoel

Lol. I don't know what you're talking about? Let's see....better than average Pio 600m.....D-Nice calibration....visual nirvana. Nope, don't get it. Could you please explain what you mean by, "Lucky bashtard"?
post #3163 of 6727
Have had my 500m for a few months now and every so often the picture goes out for a few seconds and then comes back. Seems to be getting worse but I have only noticed this happening watching cable (SA 8300HD). Sound continues to be heard while the screen goes black. 8300 is connected directly to the panel via HDMI. Any ideas?
Thanks
post #3164 of 6727
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Originally Posted by RichC42 View Post

Have had my 500m for a few months now and every so often the picture goes out for a few seconds and then comes back. Seems to be getting worse but I have only noticed this happening watching cable (SA 8300HD). Sound continues to be heard while the screen goes black. 8300 is connected directly to the panel via HDMI. Any ideas?
Thanks

Does this happen when you watch a blu-ray or dvd also? It could just be your cable box or your HDMI cable.
post #3165 of 6727
so far I have only notice it happening watching cable
post #3166 of 6727
it happens to my 141 when switching from 1080i to 720p resolution.
post #3167 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

There are certain builds that calibrate better than others. I know the build date of your particular panel and yes, it is one of the "calibrate better" batches.

The above statement leads me to believe you have one of the better built dates.
Mine manufactured NOV 08 only tells me I'm not in the category as you ,when I have seen other members reported their being built later in 09.

And therefore I call you lucky without the other word this time



Quote:
Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

Lol. I don't know what you're talking about? Let's see....better than average Pio 600m.....D-Nice calibration....visual nirvana. Nope, don't get it. Could you please explain what you mean by, "Lucky bashtard"?


djoel
post #3168 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Mine manufactured NOV 08 only tells me I'm not in the category as you

Says who
post #3169 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Says who



Please don't toy with my emotions my brain goes into hyper mode trying to rationalize why is this so


djoel
post #3170 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Please don't toy with my emotions my brain goes into hyper mode trying to rationalize why is this so


djoel

I never joke and/or play with individual's feelings dealing with their "toys" that they payed their hard earned money to get.
post #3171 of 6727
I feel like I have the oldest 600m ever made or something. I believe the build date on mine is August of 08! I doubt this is is a 'good' batch for calibration...
post #3172 of 6727
April '09 KRP here. I wouldn't get hung up on the dates though...no matter when it was built I'm sure it would look incredible after calibration.
post #3173 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by IamMark View Post

How do you choose which component handles the upconverting?

You use an assessment disc and check each component in turn. Back in the day that would be the HQV Benchmark now it's the Spears & Munsil Benchmark.

Quote:
Originally Posted by the KRP FAQ View Post

Q. Should I adjust my DVD player to send 1080p to my KRP, my audio-video receiver (AVR) or just send SD material directly to the KRP?
a. If you have a Blu-ray player the Spears & Munsil blu-ray assessment disc can help you determine which component should be used to rescale/de-interlace your source material. Otherwise you may be able to find a copy of the discontinued HQV Benchmark on DVD.
post #3174 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I never joke and/or play with individual's feelings dealing with their "toys" that they payed their hard earned money to get.



That's all you had to say

Thanks

Djoel
post #3175 of 6727
I got it today! Cant wait to star D-nices's break in procedure. also purchased the Panasonic DMP-BD60K Blu-Ray Player. anyone have anywhere to purchase hdmi cables?
post #3176 of 6727
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Originally Posted by gonzo719 View Post

I got it today! Cant wait to star D-nices's break in procedure. also purchased the Panasonic DMP-BD60K Blu-Ray Player. anyone have anywhere to purchase hdmi cables?

Click on Monoprice's link, right at the top of this page.
post #3177 of 6727
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Originally Posted by RichC42 View Post

so far I have only notice it happening watching cable

Then I can only think it is your cable box. Is the cable box hooked up to a receiver? If everything is going through a receiver {cable, blu-ray player, etc}, and output through the same HDMI cable out to the 500M, then it definitely is your cable box.
post #3178 of 6727
Hello All,

First of all THANKS for helping us all, and yes, it MUST be annoying being asked the same newbie question OVER and OVER and OVER. So I thought I would write a list of newbie questions and answers - at least the ones I have heard and seen so far. I thought this would be useful, because, I am a newbie and figured out most of this from trial and error and reading older material, when the questions originally came up.

1) I am going to receive my KRP soon what do I do to make sure it is OK? Well, first of all ask the shipper to wait while you check out the TV. To do that - follow these steps:

a. First, remove the two straps that keep the box top on the box. The straps keep the box's top on the box. Remove the two straps and the box top will simply lift up.
b. You will now see the TV which is embedded in a Styrofoam holder, which is nice to use during the break-in process.
c. Take off the thin wrapping that is "protecting" the screen.
d. First take a very quick look at the glass to make sure there are no obvious cracks or breaks.
e. Then take out a flashlight and beam it on the glass. You want to look at the second layer behind the glass and make sure there are no breaks here either. Yes, it will take some 10 minutes - who cares - this is an expensive investment!
f. Next plug in the TV and power it on. This TV is NOT on when you plug it in and/or when you press the power button on the remote. you MUST press the big black button to turn it on. To do this please remove the TV from its Styrofoam holder, and press the power button that can be found on the bottom left hand side of the TV. It would really help to have someone else pick up the TV and push the button for you. Then place it back in the Styrofoam holder and plug the power cord in and power it up. The simplest way to do that is to press the power button on the remote and point it at the front of the bottom right hand side of the TV. You should see the TV power up and display the input data and then an error box stating that there is no component hooked up to the TV - which is great.
g. If you still have time, hook up a PC or DVD Player and check if the image shows up correctly. Do not worry - hook it up for a minute or so and check that the image shows up correctly.

OK - so now you have a great, happy, and healthy TV - congratulations!! Now come the next steps.

2) Do I need to do Break-in? Most will say yes, and some will go as crazy to say that you need to break it in for 500 hours. However, D-Nice's advice is to download the DVD for 150 hours. The URL for this information can be found HERE.

3) Download the DVD-R and burn the ISO file to a dvd. On the PC there is a simple and free ISO burner called (http://www.imgburn.com). On the Mac, you need to simply use Disk Utility. Once the DVD is burnt, you are good to go. Many have asked - but what will happen next? I wondered as well and asked folks. The answer is that the DVD will run for 24 hours or so, and it is programmed to start over until you stop it. So your DVD player DOES NOT need to support continuos play or repeat play. The DVD works like magic! Mega props to Evangelo and his Evangelo2's DVD!

4) What about the resolution - what resolution should be used between the DVD player and the TV? Any resolution will be fine. If you have a Blu Ray player set it to 720p or 1080p. If you have a simple dvd player, set it to 480p. Again, do NOT worry. Heck set the dvd player to auto and you are good to go!

4) OK now plug in your DVD player. Insert the Evangelo2 DVD into the player and press play. The DVD has NO title. It has 34 or so chapters that are copies of each other. Each chapter runs for some 40 or so minutes and it rotates through colors.

5) Do I need to run this continuously? This one is asked VERY often. The answers unfortunately is all over the place. Nice-D will say that it should be run for the first 150 hours. Others with less passion (and maybe less knowledge) will say that you can watch some TV at low contrast and then run the DVD for the rest of the time. Personally, I am going with Nice-D's advice. Heck I can wait 5 or so days!

6) Next power on the TV and attach your DVD player to it. Now, PLEASE make sure to use the settings that are found for your TV on the top of this thread. It is VERY important to set the TV to the settings that are under the heading of your TV, the settings that are in red. These settings are to be used ONLY during this initial break-in process.

7) How do you make these settings - it is not so obvious. So first - TAKE A MOMENT, you are almost there! Make sure to get the settings correct. These settings will not be settable until you have connected the DVD player to the TV. You do not need to run the DVD yet. You need to ONLY connect the DVD and then start setting the TV settings. Press the home button on the remote and start changing each of the settings that are in red - FOR YOUR TV! The pro adjustments are in the picture menu option. That is about it.

8) The TV smells like it is burning or burnt electronics or burnt plastic? No biggie, it wills smell hot since it is the first time the thing is running for an extended period of time at this heat/power/picture settings (i.e. hot or bright). Think of these settings as torch hot settings. The smell dissipates over time.

9) Once you have set the TV settings - for your TV start up the Evangelo2 DVD. Yes, you will swear your TV is on fire! That is because Nice-D's tv settings are very hot or bright. Wait 150 hours and then set the TV to the reference settings in the same thread. Please make sure you change the TV to use these reference settings AFTER the break-in process. It is very important that you do NOT use the break-in TV settings once the break-in is complete.

ENJOY!!!
post #3179 of 6727
Can anyone give me the power consumption for the KRP-600M? I'm not looking for the number specified in the owner's manual, but an actual measured average value (like with a Kill-A-Watt meter or similar) taken at some reasonable picture settings.

Thanks!
post #3180 of 6727
Quote:
Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

April '09 KRP here. I wouldn't get hung up on the dates though...no matter when it was built I'm sure it would look incredible after calibration.

That is my build date also. My guess is that the earlier ones are the better ones. Before the official shutdown.
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