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post #3721 of 6727
12/4/09 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

Not true. It sounds like you are mixing information regarding the 5020/6020 gray scale behavior with the KRPM FAQ.

Yeah, I read that and it confused me too. How does the KRP handle this? I've just assumed it has one setting for 24p and not seperate settings for 24p at 24Hz, 60Hz, and 72Hz.

Easy enough to check, since when you switch to a non-cal'd setting your calibration settings will go back to the defaults.

Personally, I still like using the advanced mode and haven't come across anything so far to make me change my mind, but it'll be something else to discuss when I get my KRP-600 ISF cal'd.
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post #3722 of 6727
12/4/09 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by JonW747 View Post

Yeah, I read that and it confused me too. How does the KRP handle this?

The KRP handles it like every other Elite, each mode is calibrated independently.
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post #3723 of 6727
12/4/09 at 11:49am
My 600M has never looked better since I set picture mode to off.
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post #3724 of 6727
12/4/09 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

Not true. It sounds like you are mixing information regarding the 5020/6020 gray scale behavior with the KRPM FAQ.

Yes, I followed a couple of links and I just went back and realized I ended up on a 5020/6020 thread without realizing it. Thanks.

I am in the process of educating myself about frame rate conversions, jutter, pulldown, etc.

JonW, why do you use Advanced mode? Advanced converts most everything to 72hz whereas Standard only converts 24p to 72Hz and leaves the rest at 60 Hz. I know your viewing habits will be a big influence here, but it seems to me that aside from DVD movie conversion there is potential to create more problems than is solved, ie. - broadcast material will undergo unnecessary conversion to 72Hz? Am I missing something? I watch mostly Bluray and Broadcast signals and it seems to me that Standard would be the most effective in that situation. Do you agree?
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post #3725 of 6727
12/4/09 at 1:49pm
Just received this and want to know if I should keep the color space on Auto, or manually set it for YCbCr 4:4:4?

I've been reading the Oppo FAQ, but wanted some input from KRP owners who have the 83.

Any other setting changes that I would be well advised to make?
Oppo-83 -> Elite SC-07 -> 600m (all HDMI).

Thanks!

shane
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post #3726 of 6727
12/4/09 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

Just received this and want to know if I should keep the color space on Auto, or manually set it for YCbCr 4:4:4?

I have had the Oppo on Auto and the 600M on Auto and discovered the output selected was RGB Limited with Bluray discs. This results in significantly lighter blacks as a result of the RGB bug. As a result, I suggest YCbCr 4:4:4 with Deep Color(as long as your receiver supports HDMI Deep Color) on the Oppo http://wiki.oppodigital.com/index.ph...83_Picture_FAQ and Auto on the 600M.
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post #3727 of 6727
12/4/09 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

I have had the Oppo on Auto and the 600M on Auto and discovered the output selected was RGB Limited with Bluray discs. This results in significantly lighter blacks as a result of the RGB bug. As a result, I suggest YCbCr 4:4:4 with Deep Color(as long as your receiver supports HDMI Deep Color) on the Oppo http://wiki.oppodigital.com/index.ph...83_Picture_FAQ and Auto on the 600M.

The receiver is 'pass-through' on HD sources via HDMI. It should have no impact on the signal.

Thanks.

shane
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post #3728 of 6727
12/4/09 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

The receiver is 'pass-through' on HD sources via HDMI. It should have no impact on the signal.

Thanks.

shane

AFAIK HDMI Deep Color requires particular HDMI signal bandwidth requirements of your receiver. Pass-through does not mean it can pass Deep Color and not all HDMI receivers support HDMI Deep Color. If it is a HDMI 1.3 capable receiver you are probably ok, but I would check to be sure.
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post #3729 of 6727
12/4/09 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

AFAIK HDMI Deep Color requires particular HDMI signal bandwidth requirements of your receiver. Pass-through does not mean it can pass Deep Color and not all HDMI receivers support HDMI Deep Color. If it is a HDMI 1.3 capable receiver you are probably ok, but I would check to be sure.

Yes, they are all 1.3a, so I'm good there.
Sorry, I should have been more specific the first go-round.

shane
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post #3730 of 6727
12/4/09 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

Yes, they are all 1.3a, so I'm good there.
Sorry, I should have been more specific the first go-round.

shane

Cool, good luck with your panel. As I said, just don't put the Oppo on Auto.
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post #3731 of 6727
12/4/09 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

Just received this and want to know if I should keep the color space on Auto, or manually set it for YCbCr 4:4:4?

With a direct connection between my 500M and my -83 with both in auto mode the Oppo sends 4:4:4. However if you have a component between them the result will depend on the interposed device.
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post #3732 of 6727
12/4/09 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

With a direct connection between my 500M and my -83 with both in auto mode the Oppo sends 4:4:4. However if you have a component between them the result will depend on the interposed device.

I will take your word on a direct connect as I have never direct connected. My Oppo goes through a Onkyo 875 with signal passthrough and, as I said, I was surprised to find the Oppo outputting RGB Limited when panel and Oppo were both on Auto. As you said, it is likely due to HDMI handshake issues from the receiver being the middleman. Just wanted to red flag that for others running through a receiver.
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post #3733 of 6727
12/4/09 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by shane55 View Post

Just received this and want to know if I should keep the color space on Auto, or manually set it for YCbCr 4:4:4?

I've been reading the Oppo FAQ, but wanted some input from KRP owners who have the 83.

Any other setting changes that I would be well advised to make?
Oppo-83 -> Elite SC-07 -> 600m (all HDMI).

Thanks!

shane

My 600M was professionally calibrated with the Oppo connected directly via HDMI.
600M settings: 2(YUV444), 36 bit, 1080P, Film mode Advance
Oppo BDP 83 settings: Output resolution auto, 1080p24 output Auto
HDMI options: De-Interlacing mode: Auto
Color Space: YCbCr 4:4:4
HDMI Deep Color: 36 bits

I have since added the Integra DHC 40.1
Oppo BDP83 HDMI--> DHC 40.1 (pass through) HDMI--> 600M
picture display is still awesome.
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post #3734 of 6727
12/4/09 at 8:57pm
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Originally Posted by Adinn View Post

My 600M was professionally calibrated with the Oppo connected directly via HDMI.
600M settings: 2(YUV444), 36 bit, 1080P, Film mode Advance
Oppo BDP 83 settings: Output resolution auto, 1080p24 output Auto
HDMI options: De-Interlacing mode: Auto
Color Space: YCbCr 4:4:4
HDMI Deep Color: 36 bits

I have since added the Integra DHC 40.1
Oppo BDP83 HDMI--> DHC 40.1 (pass through) HDMI--> 600M
picture display is still awesome.

Great info to know Micheal, for us Oppo owners Thanks...

DJoel
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post #3735 of 6727
12/4/09 at 9:01pm
So my KRP-500M buzzes. It's quieter in power save mode 2, of course. So my question is, does anyone know the brightness readout changes between the Standard Power Save Mode and Mode 2, particularly for the ISF Day and Night settings? Thanks a bunch. Does it affect anything besides brightness? My set is not calibrated yet.
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post #3736 of 6727
12/5/09 at 12:11am
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

Great info to know Micheal, for us Oppo owners Thanks...

DJoel

+1
Yeah, these settings are pretty much where I ended up this evening. Powered off already, so I'll check it again tomorrow.

thanks.

shane
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post #3737 of 6727
12/5/09 at 10:01am
Noise Reduction

Is there any particular reason why most of the KRP-500M settings I've seen posted have all of the Noise Reduction settings turned off? The manual doesn't really go into the settings very much, so I'm curious as to why most people do not use these settings.

Thanks.
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post #3738 of 6727
12/5/09 at 10:15am
Primarily because it destroys image detail. The noise processing has a difficult time determining what is noise and what are desirable image variations.
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post #3739 of 6727
12/5/09 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by Adinn View Post

My 600M was professionally calibrated with the Oppo connected directly via HDMI.
600M settings: 2(YUV444), 36 bit, 1080P, Film mode Advance
Oppo BDP 83 settings: Output resolution auto, 1080p24 output Auto
HDMI options: De-Interlacing mode: Auto
Color Space: YCbCr 4:4:4
HDMI Deep Color: 36 bits

I have since added the Integra DHC 40.1
Oppo BDP83 HDMI--> DHC 40.1 (pass through) HDMI--> 600M
picture display is still awesome.

Thanks for that info! I recently hooked up my new Oppo BD83(direct connection) and couldnt figure out why the blacks had lightened up. I had HDMI options on the player at auto and just switched them to your settings and now the blacks are back to singularity levels
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post #3740 of 6727
12/5/09 at 11:09am
Guys I was going to post a link to a youtube video of my problem but, I havent made the video yet and it seems like you guys will understand my problem without it..I hope.

I have the 600m and every signal passes through my Denon AVP without any processing. Whether I watch sports on Cable or Directv, I get this studdering of the image for a few seconds every few minutes and it is annoying me to no end. It looks almost like the shuttering motion of people moving in the Matrix DVD where you see a trail of "quarterbacks snapping" or "basketball trailing" when they shoot.

Do you guys know what I mean? I know it is a setting (I think) probably a refresh rate setting but, I am at a loss. Help is much appreciated.

**Film mode is set to OFF,
Intelligent Mode: Mode 1
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post #3741 of 6727
12/5/09 at 2:38pm
Anyone have any answers? Happening right now on FL/Bama Game
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post #3742 of 6727
12/5/09 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by DJF(NJ) View Post

I ... couldnt figure out why the blacks had lightened up.

I advise reading the FAQ. HDMI is a delicate protocol and the more you know about what can happen the better prepared you are to solve your problems. The common answers apply to 90% of the problems. The remaining 10% are often an intractable challenge to remote diagnosis.

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Originally Posted by the KRP FAQ View Post

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Q. I set my input to Auto but when I select an HDMI source that uses RGB signals the picture looks washed out. Why?
a. There's a bug in the auto-detection code with RGB. You can force it to the video range (RGB 16-235) or change the source to use Y'CbCr. The problem is noted here and here among other places. A pithy response and a note from a non-native English speaker at Pioneer. For a more in-depth look at level matching and why things look too light, too dark or have a color overlay etc. check out this lengthy explanation of levels. Note that mixing certain devices on the same port (5 or 6) via a switch or AVR may cause problems. If you have a free DVI/HDMI port you can split the output of your AVR to two KRP ports and set one to AUTO and the other to RGB 16-235. This requires a powered splitter that supports HDMI 1.3. Vendors include Gefen, Monoprice and J&R Galaxies. Using two HDMI ports is simpler than one HDMI and the DVI port.
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post #3743 of 6727
12/5/09 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by IamMark View Post

Is there any particular reason why most of the KRP-500M settings I've seen posted have all of the Noise Reduction settings turned off?

Almost all the Kuro settings you'll see have all ancillary processing turned off (Pure Cinema is a notable exception). The conventional wisdom is that such tasks are better performed in an outboard processor if at all.
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post #3744 of 6727
12/5/09 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by beever View Post

Anyone have any answers? Happening right now on FL/Bama Game

I assume you are connected by HDMI. Check your connections.
I have fiber IPTV and film mode is set to smooth. Try that.
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post #3745 of 6727
12/5/09 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post

i did download the new tables as Chris and Gabriel told me to and everything was the way they told me it should be but i still got the low green numbers so i just gave up. that is one of the hard things of living outside the US it's not easy doing anything. i cant speak to you guys now cause my magic jack phone isnt working right now so as soon as that is fixed i'll give you guys a call but i do need a new meter. They did though offer me a discount on the i1 pro but that was still way too much for me to pay, i really wish i had the money for it.anyway.....

does anyone pm D-Nice? i find whenever i do he never answers me. i guess its just me

Please let Chris @ SpectraCal know, even by email.. I think he is still waiting to hear from you in regards to the calibration table.
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post #3746 of 6727
12/5/09 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Almost all the Kuro settings you'll see have all ancillary processing turned off (Pure Cinema is a notable exception). The conventional wisdom is that such tasks are better performed in an outboard processor if at all.

Thanks. Would any of the Noise Reduction settings help with pixelation/blocky artifacts that are seen occasionally when viewing cable programming through my TiVo?
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post #3747 of 6727
12/5/09 at 5:28pm
Would someone be so kind enough to PM me the link w/ the 10% off coupon that you were emailed by Pioneer?

I understand that the coupon is not good for the 600M, I just want to see if I will be able to add the 600M to my cart with the link as I can't seem to figure out how to add the 600M to my shopping cart anymore. I've tried both adding just the BDP-320 to the shopping cart and the BDP-320 w/ the 6020FD route and neither work for me now.

I think Pioneer Direct may be out of the 600M, just as I was about to order one
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post #3748 of 6727
12/5/09 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by IamMark View Post

Thanks. Would any of the Noise Reduction settings help with pixelation/blocky artifacts that are seen occasionally when viewing cable programming through my TiVo?

If digital errors are ruining your viewing experience you can reduce Sharpness or try Enhancer mode. One hopes that noise reduction is too subtle to deal with data errors.
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post #3749 of 6727
12/5/09 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by Blaze440r View Post

I think Pioneer Direct may be out of the 600M, just as I was about to order one

That what whatshouldido posted two days ago.

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I was told today when I called them that all they have left are the 6020's.
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post #3750 of 6727
12/5/09 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

That what whatshouldido posted two days ago.

I'm very sad to hear this.

Does anyone know of any authorized retailers that still have the 600M in stock? If so could you maybe PM me the place and price if you happen to know it? Seems like none of the remaining places are authorized and evenso have unreasonable prices. Thanks!
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