The Official Pioneer 9G North American KRP-500M / KRP-600M Owner's Discussion Pt. II - Page 126

Question about mounting a 500m...I have a TV stand with the mount on the back. It came with m8 screws, both 16mm and 40mm. The 16s seem too short and the 40s too long. There are spacers for the 40s, but I think the depth it penetrates would be the same.

The manual shows 12mm-18mm depth for the screw, but I think it can go in further before hitting anything.

Does anyone know if the 16mm are long enough? If I'm understanding what the manual is showing, the 16s should fall into the 12-18 range even when going thru the bracket.

Just don't want to incorrectly mount such an expensive item. Any assistance is appreciated.

I'll soon be at a point where I'll possibly want to get my 600m calibrated.
A lot of what I read describes how much brighter the panel is and how the Day mode really helps in a bright room.

I never watch in a bright room. The two environments I watch in are:
1) lowered lights... dim room.
2) All lights off... nearly black room.

So will calibration still help for these viewing conditions?

Without calibration the image is spectacular. I'm using Elite-Home's settings and with a couple minor adjustments I've got an amazing picture.

Thanks

shane

I agree and I'd like to add also that reading the Oppo FAQ was important as well. The manuals and onscreen narratives don't help much IMO. When I first got my 500M, I did a temporary hookup with my Toshiba HD-DVD player with HDMI and auto settings, but didn't encounter the same symptoms as with the Oppo on auto. That is why I posted a few days ago in regards to the lighter picture with my panel vs. someone else's darker picture with the D-Nice post break-in settings.

Whether or not calibration is worth it is a personal decision. I would ask yourself if it matters more that YOU like the image you have now or if it matters more that it is an accurate image that replicates an industry STANDARD. If the former, don't bother with calibration. If the latter, it is worth every penny spent.

You see, as it stands now, I have no idea what the image on your panel looks like and could not comment about if it is "amazing" (to me) or not, but if it were calibrated then we could have a discussion about the image quality since my panel and your panel would look nearly identical. See the difference?

There are supposed to be stops but I don't recall running into them. The TS23 short bolts have about 15mm of thread.


I don't see why Pioneer would have an error in the manual about this.


If you're worried you should get a Pioneer mount and mount per their instructions.

I was skeptical at first about calibrating my 600M but I decided to do it. From the list of calibrators posted, I chose Robert Busch (Santa Rosa) to calibrate my panel.
Even though my room is pretty bright during the day, after calibration the panel was bright enough that I did not need a day setting. To me, there is a big difference after calibration. To validate what I saw, I invited someone in my area that was interested in having Robert Busch calibrate his panel and he was in complete awe of my calibrated panel as we watched parts of the Dark Knight on blu-ray. In the evenings the display is even more spectacular!

It is the source. Not the TV.

My KRP-500m order got delayed since I have to add my shipping address to my credit card. In addition, I was charged a 6% handling fee a week after buying the TV. This reputable site is selling the KRP-500M for a thousand dollars more today, just a week after I bought it. I'm assuming they're using drop shipping. Would they already have gotten one secured before the drop shipper increases their price so I can add my shipping address? Or would there be a chance that the drop shipper increased their price further and they're waiting to secure a KRP-500M, adding potential that I won't get the KRP-500M at the price I originally paid?

Do you have a tech craft stand? Mine came with the same bolts. I test fitted the 16mm by itself and the 40mm with the spacers and the 40mm went in a few more turns than the 16 so I felt more comfortable using them.

You should get the 500M at the price you originally paid. Just because the price went up doesn't mean that they can cancel your order and/or charge you credit card again for the higher price.

I'm supposed to have my 600M calibrated this Saturday by D-Nice. @ questions.

1) Is directtv better quality for HD programming than optimum cable? If so, I will order, but do I have to get it before I get my TV calibrated?

2) I ordered the control patch from Turbe. Paid and submitted paperwork a week ago. Sent a follow up email. No repsonses yet. Am I supposed to actually get something from Turbe?

Thanks for the advice

1. To my eyes, DirecTV and Dish Network both look better than Comcast cable. DTV and Dish are very comparable now as both use MPEG-4 encoded video and the number of HD channels provided are very close.

2. Turbe must verify your KRP's serial number first. You will soon after receive 1-2 emails from Turbe, with links to the program downloads as well as the ControlCAL user's manual. (which is excellent and very well-written btw)

Thanks for responding. I assume I should have the directtv installed before the calibration???

I don't know if Optimum is better than DTV but check with D-Nice if he thinks it matters. If it does I don't think you can get it installed by Saturday. You'll get some links from Turbe but don't panic. Worst case D-Nice will get it sorted out.


Optimum is Cablevision not Comcast.


Personally I don't think so but you should check with D-Nice. I'd guess that changing the KRP settings for colorspace compatibility is a bigger deal than signal quality when it comes to switching providers.

I just got a 500M a couple weeks ago and have finished the burn in and started watching some real content . I have a 5020 also and first thing I gotta say is that it sure seems like this 500M looks noticeably better . I may be imagining it but the 500M really does look better.

Now to my problem/question. My 5020 has the normal plasma buzz which is actually pretty loud. When I first got the 500M and set it on the floor (didn't have a stand yet) and ran the burn in I noticed that I could barely hear the buzz compared to how loud my 5020 buzzes. BUT, I just got my 500M attached to a stand and have placed it on my entertainment stand and I have noticed that I still don't really hear the buzz from the panel but I hear a really high pitched whine (not really the best word but I think you get my point). It is the high pitched noise you can sometimes hear from electronics. The panel buzz on my 5020 was always drowned out by the sound from the speakers but this high pitched whine is audible even above the speaker sound. Now I have only had it in place for a couple days, but after watching a couple of movies it seems like once the movie is done I don't really hear the whine. Maybe it only does that for the first little while while the TV is on or maybe my ears just get used to it.

Please let me know if anyone else has had this problem or what it is or if it even is a problem. I was also wondering if it might go away since it seems like it goes away after the panel is on for a while. Thanks!

I agree that Dtv looks better than cable.

on your second point, I am not sure turbe will send him the info. If D-nice is doing the calibration, he should have purchased "for professional" and D-nice might be getting the patch and bringing it to the calibration appointment

Hope this is the right thread.I recvd my 500m today.I plan to breakin during normal use.I set av select to pure.everything else is default contrast 40 all other settings are at 0 except sharpness -15.Its also set to full1.Now while i change channels and run to a 4:3 i still get black bars on the sides.I thought setting to full eliminated this for 4:3.It doesnt fill the screen.What am i doing wrong.Would appreciate the help.I've tried to search for the proper settings but i basically cant find the settings for normal use only the other ones like d-nice's.I have directtv dvr set to native.
thanks

I just thought I'd post a word of thanks to eveyone on this thread fo rtheir thoughts and posts. I was prety set on getting Panasonic V10 to go in our living room, but the constant comments on this forum alerted me to the availability of the 500M.

Then my wife and I spent some time playing with a Kuro and a V10 in our local Magnolia and she pushed me towards the Pioneer.

Yesterday, I unboxed it, set it on the floor leaning against our old RPTV and watched some HD football. I have to say, I have no regrets about going for the smaller screen (50" vs. the Panny 58"). The picture is truly outstanding, and this is with only a little bit of playing with the screen settings.

as much as I love the kuros and congratulate you on your purchase, 58" vs 50" is too much real estate to overcome. My money would have been spent on the panny at that screen size variance

I'd also like to know of any authorized retailers that have have a 600M. Thanks in advance.

Congratulations. I (also) prefer quality and capability over size so I'm glad you're happy with the somewhat smaller display. It helps if you're willing to "redecorate" to accomodate your panel.

you can still benefit greatly from the isf modes. i have the same viewing conditions and the best benefit of the isf modes is the increase in white levels. you can go super high for daytime viewing but you dont have to. but you can still get a brighter more vibrant picture without going all the way compared to pure. the contrast goes to 36-38 without clipping. mine is set at 32 and is at a comfortable setting with no eye strain. it just looks more realistic. like someone pulled a mosquito net off my tv.

i have cox cable and im pretty much getting the best picture im going to get from any satellite or cable source. the problem is with the networks. always changing the encoding and sampling low bitrate transfers with crappy color or just inaccurate color alltogether. i thought by this time hd would have been widespread and predominate and customers would demand better quality hd broadcasting from networks by now. alot of networks just get something out there just to get it out there.

If the 4:3 content is being broadcast on an HD channel, there isn't much you can do other than to switch to an SD channel. If you do that, then just switch the Pio to Wide mode. The Kuro will remember your settings by resolution, and most of the time this will work fine.

You can play around with the Auto Size option, but it didn't work well for me. The main reason is I wanted to use the dot by dot mode with 1080i content, but the auto mode always switches to Full.

First, a little bragging - I managed to sneak in the small group of folks that will receive the 600M directly from Pioneer. It ships today/tomorrow and that's all of them. Order was placed 12/1. Whew!

Personally if I didn't get it I'd be scrambling to find one from anywhere. Let's face it, it only has a year warrenty on it and if it arrives in one piece and functions odds are it will be fine for the next 12 months. Then you are on your own anyway.... so what's the big deal getting one from an authorized dealer? I'd like to buy local/authorized/forum sponsor as much as the next guy, but it's crunch time!!

I have had similar issues. I have chosen to consciously ignore it. I don't listen for it, and i avoid getting too close to the panel so I don't inadvertantly "tune in" to that sound. I make sure I am concentrating on the movie and dialogue. I'm convinced it's mostly in my head since I was already aware of this possible issue. And even if it's not in my head I'm going to convince myself it is since I refuse to let such a small issue ruin my enjoyment of this panel.
Ask yourself, if it's a real problem why hasn't anyone who comes over to watch your TV said, "hey, what's that buzz". Or even your family members. I have told no one, and no one has mentioned it. That should tell you something: you're trying to hear it, even if it is subconscious.

500M tomorrow afternoon, I can't wait!

thanks.I tried again and it worked.Started with the bars but then it automatically filled the screen.for both the hd channel and sd.

I definitely understand your approach, Zivman. Luckily, I have a dedicated theater with a 110" FP setup so I can satisfy my size need that way. My parents recently purchased the 73" Mits RPTV for just that reason - large size was the primary critereon to them.

I will keep my fingers crossed for you that you get a good one, replacements are gonna be tough from here on out.