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post #3781 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Ozymandis View Post

500M tomorrow afternoon, I can't wait!

Me too and me neither...

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Originally Posted by Jonesy11 View Post

I will keep my fingers crossed for you that you get a good one, replacements are gonna be tough from here on out.

Fingers and toes crossed here...

Mine is coming already broken in - it was a demo model. I have an SC-25 and BDP-83 plus 3 new HDMI cables sitting here waiting for the TV.

Martin
post #3782 of 6727
i am still on the lookout for calibrators coming to Barbados....if anyone knows of this please let me know. Thanks
post #3783 of 6727
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Originally Posted by whityfrd View Post

i have cox cable and im pretty much getting the best picture im going to get from any satellite or cable source. the problem is with the networks. always changing the encoding and sampling low bitrate transfers with crappy color or just inaccurate color alltogether. i thought by this time hd would have been widespread and predominate and customers would demand better quality hd broadcasting from networks by now. alot of networks just get something out there just to get it out there.

I must admit I'm starting to have trouble watching network TV, knowing how my Kuro can look when watching Blu-ray instead...
post #3784 of 6727
I just received my 600M directly from Pioneer and wow, this monitor is amazing. Prior to this I had Elite Pro-520HD RPTV which was a top set in its time (2002), but this Plasma is so much better. I paid for the white glove delivery service, which I thought was rather expensive, but I wanted to make sure if there's something wrong with the TV the delivery people would take it right back. It was sort of a shipping insurance.

I have a very bright room and have set the TV as: OPTIMUM, Power Save Mode 2 (removed slight buzzing), enable Light sensor, Movie Mode: Standard.

I hooked into it Charter HD Cable Box and PS3 for Blueray. I was so happy to see great picture right out of the box without the need to mess around with any advanced settings. The skin tones were natural and yet the image still had that 'pop' color and contrast. The blacks were amazing. I was flipping through various HD and SD channels and couldn't tell the black bars from the TV frame. The black borders completely blend with the TV...simply amazing.

I probably sound like a kid that found some candy...anyway, thanks everyone for this forum and all the useful information that helped me choose this set.
post #3785 of 6727
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Originally Posted by p6889k View Post

I have a very bright room and have set the TV as: OPTIMUM, Power Save Mode 2 (removed slight buzzing), enable Light sensor, Movie Mode: Standard.

Congrats on the 600M.

But now it's time for step 2: obtain and install ISFccc patch to activate ISFccc modes so you can get away from that wildly inaccurate Optimum mode and take full advantage of what the 600M offers!
post #3786 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

BUT, I just got my 500M attached to a stand and have placed it on my entertainment stand and I have noticed that I still don't really hear the buzz from the panel but I hear a really high pitched whine (not really the best word but I think you get my point). It is the high pitched noise you can sometimes hear from electronics. The panel buzz on my 5020 was always drowned out by the sound from the speakers but this high pitched whine is audible even above the speaker sound. Now I have only had it in place for a couple days, but after watching a couple of movies it seems like once the movie is done I don't really hear the whine. Maybe it only does that for the first little while while the TV is on or maybe my ears just get used to it.

Please let me know if anyone else has had this problem or what it is or if it even is a problem. I was also wondering if it might go away since it seems like it goes away after the panel is on for a while. Thanks!

Mine has that high-pitched whine as well. Since the frequency of the whine is much higher than the buzzing, logically it seems to be more directional. Mine sits on a TV stand, and it's easy to notice the whine off to the side when I walk by the monitor as I travel from the living room to the kitchen. But when I actually sit down several feet away in front of the monitor, it is much less noticeable and not very bothersome at all.

If all I sought to do was find fault with the display, I suppose I could allow myself to become attuned to the frequency of the whine, and then fixate on it in an obsessive fashion. In other words, if my sole goal in life was to hear that whine, I suppose I could force myself to hear it all the time.

But usually I totally tune it out, and it is not noticeable from my seating distance in front of the monitor. I am only reminded of it sometimes when I walk up very close to the display when it is on, or sometimes if it is quiet in the room and I walk by to the side of it.
post #3787 of 6727
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Originally Posted by mhconley View Post

Me too and me neither...

Me three! It seems that Tuesday is the magic day for many of us.

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Originally Posted by Jonesy11 View Post

I will keep my fingers crossed for you that you get a good one, replacements are gonna be tough from here on out.

I don't even want to think about that.

However, I did order from an authorized dealer so I've at least got the warranty.

I have an EXTREMELY bright, southern-facing room so I'll probably get the patch too.
post #3788 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Actionable Mango View Post

Me three! It seems that Tuesday is the magic day for many of us.



I don't even want to think about that.

However, I did order from an authorized dealer so I've at least got the warranty.

I have an EXTREMELY bright, southern-facing room so I'll probably get the patch too.

Patch?

bob
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So I picked up a wall mount to be ready for it's arrival. Planning to have everything ready so I can just put it up and start running the break in DVD right away. Considering it needs to run for like a week :-D. I did have a couple of questions on mounts. I picked up a Sanus VMPL50 tilting mount. It puts the display out 2.5". I was considering the LL11 mount which only puts the display out .55". I've heard the low profile mounts are a pain to deal with but if the connection diagram I looked at is correct it might not be so bad on the 500M. It looked like the connections face down. If that is true (that the connections face down) then cables won't really be an issue. They could go down then wrap back up before going into the wall.

So do you think .55" is enough to run the HDMI, component video and power cables behind this display?
post #3790 of 6727
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Originally Posted by mustang5o View Post

So do you think .55" is enough to run the HDMI, component video and power cables behind this display?

The WM02 is 7/8" thick. You have about 5" from the connector to the bottom of the panel.

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Originally Posted by the KRP FAQ View Post

Documentation
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Back Panel / Connections (pdf).
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101FD/500M architectural drawing (pdf).
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Q. What about a wall-mount?
a. Note that though they use M8 bolts neither monitor is VESA MIS-F compatible. The 600M (like the 141FD and 151FD) has four mounting holes in an 850x500mm (WxH) pattern and the 500M has six mounting holes on 496x150mm (WxH) centers. The 500M works with most universal mounts but the 600M is a bit fussier.
1) The official 500M wall mount is the KRP-WM02.
post #3791 of 6727
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Patch?

A happy calibration client.
post #3792 of 6727
Can someone pm me if they know where I can find the krp-s04 speakers for the 500m. Thanks.
post #3793 of 6727
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

The WM02 is 7/8" thick. You have about 5" from the connector to the bottom of the panel.

5"...really. So they do run straight down?

OK, I need to figure out if I want a different mount by tomorrow as I have the ability to get a good deal on the mounts through tomorrow. I thought I wanted a tilting mount but if I put the display at the correct height is shouldn't matter. I could maybe go with another Sanus low pro. They have one that is only 1.25"
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Originally Posted by mustang5o View Post

5"...really. So they do run straight down?

Yes, the "CAD" illustration and the back panel connections document are accurate. The CAD file is higher resolution and you can clearly see the profiles of the RCA, serial, dvi and vga connectors.
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Received my 600M on Friday and am about 80 hrs into break-in. I find myself watching the solid color slides wishing I could make time move faster...is this normal?
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I'm trying to run all necessary wires in my wall to get to my 600M.

Most of it...I'm pretty clear on. However, when it comes to making my PC connection, I need some advice.

What do I use the Ethernet port on the 600M for? Should I run a network cable from my seating/viewing area to the 600M? I can do it...but I don't know why. Is this connection something I would do very rarely?

Do I need to run both DVI-D and RGB? My labtop doesn't currently have DVI so I'm tempted to run RGB...but maybe I can just run DVI-D plug my RGB output into the DVI-D connection somehow. Long term, I assume DVI-D is the way to go.
post #3797 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Untamed12 View Post

What do I use the Ethernet port on the 600M for?

The monitors support IP control and have an embedded webserver. They do not support HomeMediaGallery. This is addressed in the FAQ


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Originally Posted by the KRP FAQ View Post

Documentation
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Basic RS-232/IP commands (pdf).
101FD/141FD Integrator's Manual (pdf). RS-232/IP code list.
Installer support documentation. The 101FD and 141FD materials are relevant to 500M and 600M owners. (Home Electronics Custom Install>Detailed Product Information>Plasma Displays)
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Q. Why did Pioneer include a web interface? It seems useless.
a. The web interface has some utility but for day to day operations your remote is superior. You cannot use the standard remote to check hours (see Service Remote below). Something everyone (impatiently waiting for their panel aging/break-in to finish) wants to do.
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Q. How can I check my usage time (hours on), power count, serial number or retrieve the SD/PD Failure code?
a. You have to configure your KRP for network access, attach it to a network or directly to a PC and then open this link: http:///cgi/service_right.cgi where is replaced with the IP address of your KRP -- EZ Hours
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Q. How can I save my settings in case of error, human or otherwise?
a. jdbimmer has written KuroReader, a Windows program that, among other things, will retrieve your settings and save them. It has a number of advantages over using a browser to connect to the KRP web server. This program currently only connects over the network.
post #3798 of 6727
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Yes, the "CAD" illustration and the back panel connections document are accurate. The CAD file is higher resolution and you can clearly see the profiles of the RCA, serial, dvi and vga connectors.

Thanks. I'll take a close look at the CAD illustration.

I almost forgot about running a CAT5 cable. Gotta make sure I get a long enough one made.
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500m arrived yesterday safe and sound. No damage or dead pixels. One thing I was disppointed about had to do with the stand. I thought I ordered the TS02 glossy stand, but what arrived was the PM matte version. The vendor I ordered this from indicates TS02 as the stand that was included with my monitor, but I got this one instead. But, having installed it, I think I may like the matter version better. Less reflection. Maybe they did me a favor in the end, but it was a little disappointing. I now have the break-in DVD running. First, though, I cheated and watched the first 10 minutes of Star Trek and UP in its entirety. I can't believe how amazing Pure mode is right out of the box. Unbelievable. I am back in Kuro heaven.
post #3800 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Untamed12 View Post

I'm trying to run all necessary wires in my wall to get to my 600M.

Most of it...I'm pretty clear on. However, when it comes to making my PC connection, I need some advice.

What do I use the Ethernet port on the 600M for? Should I run a network cable from my seating/viewing area to the 600M? I can do it...but I don't know why. Is this connection something I would do very rarely?

Do I need to run both DVI-D and RGB? My labtop doesn't currently have DVI so I'm tempted to run RGB...but maybe I can just run DVI-D plug my RGB output into the DVI-D connection somehow. Long term, I assume DVI-D is the way to go.

The ethernet is for making a network connection, ie from a router. If you want to hook up your laptop, and it has rgb but not DVI, run rgb cable. However, the best way to hook up pc is with hdmi, my laptop has a bluray player and an hdmi out. So if you plan on updating your laptop w/in a few years, maybe get one with an hdmi out, allows you to watch all your video content from pc with sound on the big screen, and maybe lay an extra hdmi cable now to be ready.
post #3801 of 6727
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Originally Posted by ttdrums View Post

500m arrived yesterday safe and sound. No damage or dead pixels. One thing I was disppointed about had to do with the stand. I thought I ordered the TS02 glossy stand, but what arrived was the PM matte version. The vendor I ordered this from indicates TS02 as the stand that was included with my monitor, but I got this one instead. But, having installed it, I think I may like the matter version better. Less reflection. Maybe they did me a favor in the end, but it was a little disappointing. I now have the break-in DVD running. First, though, I cheated and watched the first 10 minutes of Star Trek and UP in its entirety. I can't believe how amazing Pure mode is right out of the box. Unbelievable. I am back in Kuro heaven.

Welcome to the 500M club. It will get even better after breakin and fine tuning or calibration.
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My 500M arrived this morning, safe and sound as well. Only problem I had was with the 18-wheeler Fedex freight truck getting up my street, lol. I gave him a 20 dollar tip so hopefully he didn't feel too put out.

I'm going to break it in with use, running elite-home's Pure mode settings. Haven't really had a lot of time to play with it yet but it's obvious that the black level and "pop" are better than the 50G10 it's replacing. I have never seen a flat panel with these black levels. They *almost* fade into the bezel. On the downside, it's a little bit softer than my Panasonic. A little more noise in the picture too, which is not really a problem at ~8'.

I have got a ton of schoolwork this week but hopefully I'll get the chance to play some more with my new baby!

Also wanted to say thanks to elite-home. Excellent transaction, fast shipping, and a good guy to deal with
post #3803 of 6727
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Originally Posted by ttdrums View Post

One thing I was disppointed about had to do with the stand. I thought I ordered the TS02 glossy stand, but what arrived was the PM matte version. The vendor I ordered this from indicates TS02 as the stand that was included with my monitor, but I got this one instead. But, having installed it, I think I may like the matter version better. Less reflection. Maybe they did me a favor in the end, but it was a little disappointing.

Sounds like you got the TS23. I had a choice of a free TS02 or TS23 with my 500m. I looked at both at the dealer when I picked it up. I went with the TS23.

The TS02 matched the bezel nicely, but the TS23 had a much heavier, more substantial feel to it. I think you got the better stand.
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Stupid question-- I've seen warranty registration mentioned a few times in this thread. Did your KRPs come with a warranty registration card to send in to Pioneer? I have the letter-size white warranty card, but the wording on it seems to imply that I should keep it in a safe place with my purchase invoice, rather than send it in to Pioneer. This is my first Pioneer product. Thanks in advance for any help.
post #3805 of 6727
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Originally Posted by Tarwater View Post

Sounds like you got the TS23.

No, as ttdrums said it was a KRP-TS02PM not a KRP-TS02 (or a PDK-TS23).
post #3806 of 6727
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Originally Posted by 9_miles_up View Post

Did your KRPs come with a warranty registration card to send in to Pioneer?

You can register on line but it's not required for the warranty to be in force.
post #3807 of 6727
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

You can register on line but it's not required for the warranty to be in force.

That is as I thought. Thanks once again, bodosom.
post #3808 of 6727
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

No, as ttdrums said it was a KRP-TS02PM not a KRP-TS02 (or a PDK-TS23).

Yup, 02PM. After market stand. Would have preferred the OEM. Seems sturdy enough, and maybe the matter finish is better with reflections, as I said. Doesn't change the fact that the 500m has a wonderful picture. The unit does have a more significant "buzz/whine" than my 5020 did. As mentioned by others, changing the power save mode to mode 2 virtually eliminates the buzz, but with the sound up I don't notice it. I will do what others have suggested and try to ignore it. The solution is a powerful HT setup.

BTW: The 500M looks marvelous on top of my Standout Designs Horizon 702 entertainment unit (espresso finish). I cannot recommend Standout Designs enthusiastically enough. They make an incredible product and they are a pleasure to deal with. They even sent me touch-up stain free of charge when my unit was slightly damaged by the burglars that stole my 5020. I opted for the fans in both cabinets and they work perfectly. You cannot find a better built unit. They are worth every penny.
post #3809 of 6727
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Originally Posted by ttdrums View Post

Yup, 02PM. After market stand. Would have preferred the OEM. Seems sturdy enough, and maybe the matter finish is better with reflections, as I said. Doesn't change the fact that the 500m has a wonderful picture. The unit does have a more significant "buzz/whine" than my 5020 did. As mentioned by others, changing the power save mode to mode 2 virtually eliminates the buzz, but with the sound up I don't notice it. I will do what others have suggested and try to ignore it. The solution is a powerful HT setup.

BTW: The 500M looks marvelous on top of my Standout Designs Horizon 702 entertainment unit (espresso finish). I cannot recommend Standout Designs enthusiastically enough. They make an incredible product and they are a pleasure to deal with. They even sent me touch-up stain free of charge when my unit was slightly damaged by the burglars that stole my 5020. I opted for the fans in both cabinets and they work perfectly. You cannot find a better built unit. They are worth every penny.

I have the 02PM stand as well, and I like that stand. The matte finish gives one place less for reflections to eminate from. I kinda miss the matte and very thin bezel on my old panny pro model, but the glossy pio looks classy, especially with my Elite 23FD BD and Elite 23TXH receiver all with the same matching glossy black.
post #3810 of 6727
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Originally Posted by rsparr View Post

Received my 600M on Friday and am about 80 hrs into break-in. I find myself watching the solid color slides wishing I could make time move faster...is this normal?

As normal as we all can be
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