The Official Pioneer 9G North American KRP-500M / KRP-600M Owner's Discussion Pt. II - Page 17

That's pretty much what I was thinking. The whole reason for my post is to make sure that I'm not giving anything up by going with just a monitor, which makes me a little nervous, just because it's different

Other than speakers (don't care, always use system), stand (don't care, want to wall mount), and ISFccc (don't care now, but if I do care there's a workaround), this should be a good way to get a killer tv at a reasonable price?

As far as comparing Kuros to non-Kuros, I don't live in a world dominated by one brand or one feature. I am looking at all of them and trying to balance performance and cost. In order to do that, I have to look outisde of the Kuro world. I understand the mentality, as I would be hard pressed to ride any other dirtbike than a KTM, but for me in this situation I am looking at the bigger picture.

It might. If you're getting digital OTA then you need a ATSC tuner. If your cable box has one you're set otherwise you have to get a converter box. If you're still getting analog OTA and your cable box has NTSC antenna in you're all set.

Like you I am trying to decide between the Poi or the Panny. You are thinking about the 600M and I am thinking about the 500M vs 54V10.

This is not easy because I intend to keep either set for a long time.

Maybe I need to read the KRP FAQ again.

sorry, but you can't compare panasonic to a pioneer. There's no comparison. You will be much happier with the pioneer.

+1

At least for now anyway...get a Kuro while you still can!

I don't want to be overly pedantic but I do want to be clear so -- monitors don't have tuners and often don't have speakers.


I'm not suggesting that. It's not clear to me why you want a Kuro but, as an example, I had a 2008 Panasonic plasma (and the 2009 feature set doesn't look all that different). In my opinion it's difficult to compare them because they're so different. It has nothing to do with brand loyalty.

It has the best picture?

Sure you can. I'm doing it right now. I don't know why it's so hard.

Maybe I'm too simple minded but to me it breaks down like this:
One tv has better picture and costs more money
The other has not as good of picture and costs less money

The comparison comes in a PQ v. Money. If I had more money it would be less of an issue. Clearly you are much happier with the Pioneer, but I'm not sure if I wouldn't just be happy as a clam with the Panasonic + cash.

Can anyone tell me what the width of the 600M box is?

I believe the monitor itself is about 58" wide, so I'm guessing box is about 70ish?

The carton dimensions are in the brochure.

(W x H x D): 62-1/64 x 39-7/8 x 14-11/16

This is true but we can't help you and neither can anyone else here. Go look at your contenders and make what's obviously a personal decision.

A side-by-side comparison would indeed help you make the decision as to whether or not the PQ is worth the extra dough (though you cannot find the 500m/600m in big box stores).

I was in a similar position a few weeks ago, and what it ultimately came down to for me was the simple fact that Pioneer has exited the TV side of the business, and this was my last chance to get a Kuro. Keep in mind this was my first Pioneer plasma (coming from a longtime Samsung and Sony LCD owner)...yet I have no doubt I made the right decision. Other long-time Kuro owners most likely made the same decision for the some of the same reasons...and for peace of mind knowing they still have the best, hands down.

Good luck with your decision!

Howdy!

I just went through the same decision process as I was considering the 600m versus the Panasonic 65".

For me, picture quality was the deciding factor. I considered the Panasonic mostly for the size but always came back to the quality level of the Pio. Plus, I have a home theater setup and didn't need the tuner and speakers.

I have NOT regretted my purchase a bit. The picture quality is outstanding! I upgraded from a 9 year old Tosh 65H80 rear projection. I thought it had a very good picture but the PIO blew it away and put us at another level.

Just my 2 cents!

coming from a 50" 9uk to a 600m i can second that statement. i actually turned on my 9uk for the first time in a month and was astonished by how bad it looked. though i thought it was a gem when i had it. and i wouldnt worry about the monitor part. used tvs are a crappy reselling market anyways however you slice it.

correct me if I'm wrong but this is a forum for people who wish to ask questions and wish to have questions answered related to these models. I relize your goal may be to do exactly that. However, member questions also sparks other members questions, or causes members to realize certain questions may also relate to issues they are currently having and maybe something they particularly need to take into consideration with their currently owned model or the one they wish to buy. Maybe no one else cares but I for one would like it if you stopped referring your FAQ every time a question is asked. Please. Its on the first page, majority of members know its there but some may need clarification and like to get a second opinion. Possibly you could PM the particular member asking a specific FAQ related question.

I for one like help or helping someone else in need of information and replying to new and old member questions.

not trying to spark an issue or be rude but IMO I feel its taking away from what the forum is all about.
If all I'm seeing is the list of above replies then I'm not getting assistance I might need. But who knows

Then please continuing doing that in a way that makes you happy.


As a heads up -- if you get a BDP-83 you'll certainly want to avoid its discussion thread.

I think there is helpful appreciated assistance and also the exact opposite, which is sometimes how you personally reply. No need to make a big deal out of this. I was speaking on behalf of other members who felt and feel the same


see what I mean ^

...again I didn't mention it to start a debate or to offend but I hope other members will agree. We know where the FAQ is. I like the forum for what it is/was.

Kuros do seem to have that effect Pioneer did very good thing by getting the KRP's out in the US.

There's a remarkably simply solution for you. Just put me on your ignore list and engage in the sort of dialog you prefer.

Agree. I came from an lcd (samsung a750) to a panny 800u, to finally a pioneer pro 101. I went by what I saw in the stores to cnet review (panasonic 800u).

All I can say is if you are reading these forums and you're asking people to give opinions on what we think you (not you whityfrd) should get, it should be obvious how people are going to respond.

Anyone with a pioneer in their homes is going to tell you to get a pioneer. Anyone with both a pio and a panny in their homes is STILL going to suggest the pioneer. It's not marginally better, it's not slightly darker than the competition. It's the best flat panel you can buy. Period.

If you are thinking panasonic, and you are wondering about black levels (not to mention flickering 48hz) then you will not be satisfied. I haven't seen acceptable black levels on a new flat panel, just a darker shade of grey (except the pioneer and even that isn't perfect).

to repeat myself. I'm not the only one.

Maybe we can just set up a bot to post "CHECK THE FAQ" every couple hours. Save you some typing bodosom.

+1 I think +1 means I agree? Well in case I am wrong... let me just say it. I totally agree with this post regarding "see the FAQ".

lmao!

I was trying to be more cordial.

but this doesnt sound like a bad idea.

The tension generated by making the right choice for your personal investment is a result of not being able to "see" for yourself the differences in the Pioneer 9G Kuro's and that of other manufacturers (Pani, Samsung...). The old argument of $$$ vs. PQ will never be explained away but whether you are looking at a 500, 5020, 600 or an elite version of the 9G Kuro's you will realize your investment was not in vain at all.

I think too many people try to make the Pioneer panels more than they are and too many try to downplay how stellar they are for some reason. An example of this is that my wife's camry has basically the same body as a far more expensive Lexus and we did not feel the $$$ needed to go from one to the other was worth the investment at all so we chose the camry and have been happy every since.

Whether you choose the Pioneer or another panel you are doing so to bring home the quality of entertainment you will enjoy for years to come- not to stay up with the Joneses.

A while back to prove a point I offered on the Elite Owner's forum for anyone who felt slighted by having a 111 over a 500m that I would trade them without a second thought-- last week I did just that and couldn't believe someone took me up on it.

They traded me a $4k panel they had purchased for a $2k panel because they felt there was enough of a difference to do so and took the plunge. When he picked up his new 500m he couldn't have been happier and when I took home my new 111FD with ISF calibration I myself could not have been happier with the deal and feel bad the trade was done because I just can't see enough of a difference between my 500m and the 111fd to have made the trade.

My LONG POINT is not to bore others with my drizzle but to let you guys know what you purchase for your home is a personal decision for you and when your panel arrives and you start to enjoy it, relax, be happy and don't worry about the joneses since it just isn't worth the tension or the trouble. Sorry for the long response- don't mean to consume the forum but I think some of this has gotten out of hand to a large degree.

Eloon, you should read this particular post several times for effect!! Now, you might understanda little more why people love this display. For just a few hundred more, you too can be in PQ Heaven.

I feel bad for that person. Their train of thought is seriously flawed IMHO.

Truth is, i wanted a new display because we are moving to a new house. i owned an Aquos for 2 years and it has shown magnificently at times and others not so good. so i realised the power of Blu ray so i wanted a top of the line display. after immense researching i landed on a Kuro. from the time i read the reviews i instantly came here to see what the "obssessed individuals" had to say about it. So from reading the guys here, i wondered....."is this really the panel for me?" my thing is, if it is simply gonna show "just a bit better" than my Aquos i would have no reason to buy it and simply look for a cheaper alternative. but seeing and reading is believing. i bought and now i am eagerly waiting to set up and get the ball rolling.

Talked to Cleveland Plasma today. They had the second best deal I've been able to find on a 600M. *Side note, are they an authorized dealer? Doesn't list them as one on Pioneer's website and I don't want any warranty issues.* I'm close to going for a 600M but can't quite pull the trigger yet. I'm offshore so I REALLY can't look at one! Planning to go to the local Magnolia and look at a 151 when I get home tomorrow night though. FWIW, it's a difference of 1300, which would pay for the 40" LCD for my master bedroom...

I'm moving up from a Samsung PN58A550 which is what I thought was the best I could afford at the time when I got it a year ago. Unfortunately somebody else decided they needed all my tvs more than I did, so here I am...