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post #6421 of 6727
12/18/11 at 4:13pm
Is there anyway to turn the screen off, but keep the TV running? I like to listen to music on my KRP, and would like to keep the panel itself off. I know this function was available in the 5020fd
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post #6422 of 6727
12/18/11 at 5:25pm
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Originally Posted by kovalchuk2002 View Post

Is there anyway to turn the screen off, but keep the TV running? I like to listen to music on my KRP, and would like to keep the panel itself off. I know this function was available in the 5020fd

Home Menu -> Power Control -> Energy Save -> Picture Off.
The panel doesn't mute until you exit the menu system.

If you can send serial/IP commands it's panel mute (PMT).
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post #6423 of 6727
12/18/11 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Home Menu -> Power Control -> Energy Save -> Picture Off.
The panel doesn't mute until you exit the menu system.

If you can send serial/IP commands it's panel mute (PMT).

Thanks a lot.
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post #6424 of 6727
12/24/11 at 4:25pm
Clearly, something is wrong with your setup or your PDP.


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I've owned a 500M for exactly 3 months, and I just now realized how unsatisfactory its' black levels are (it's calibrated properly). Its' blacks aren't even that dark . If this TV has "the best blacks" then damn, talk about fail.

...These blacks suck . If I own the best, then I feel sorry for the rest: because blacks are essential to good PQ. I wish I was still ignorant to what good 'black levels' meant. ...Now I'm just a critic.

These forums are a great, but they're also transform you... Into a eagle-eyed master... Who settles for nothing less than pure-awesomeness: I've acquired that eye, and I'm not happy
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post #6425 of 6727
1/7/12 at 1:57pm
I have an ISF calibrated KRP600M and, if I recall correctly, the calibrator didn't use any of the energy-saving modes when he calibrated the various inputs for the maximum picture quality. If I chose to use any of these modes, in order to reduce power consumption of the panel to save energy, which would one would be best to use and do the saving modes really have a detrimental affect on the picture? I reviewed the FAQs but didn't seem to find an answer to this question. Also, how many watts does the panel draw when not in one of the energy-saving modes. Just curious.
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post #6426 of 6727
1/7/12 at 2:05pm
You really don't want to use the Power Saving Modes and having your set calibrated, I have some data for this but I need to find the Posts...

You could get away with using it for Pure depending on your Contrast setting... It's pretty much a nogo in ISFccc unless your Contrast settings is low.. maybe if you target under 30fL in ISFccc you could get acceptable results using one of the Power Saving modes...
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post #6427 of 6727
1/7/12 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

do the saving modes really have a detrimental affect on the picture?

Yes.
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how many watts does the panel draw when not in one of the energy-saving modes. Just curious.

It depends. Not more than 4.1A worth. Perhaps ~500W.
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post #6428 of 6727
1/7/12 at 6:05pm
I added some additional info in my Post above...
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post #6429 of 6727
1/8/12 at 10:54am
Turbe: I'll have to check my contrast settings and get back to you. I do use Pure for all my SAT viewing from Dish as well as OTA HD. I only use ISF Night for BluRay. I'll report back soon. Thanks!
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post #6430 of 6727
1/8/12 at 11:17am
If you set was calibrated with the Energy Save option disabled, you would have to recalibrate it if you enable it.

Basically, enabling that option will limit the peak light output and ruin the gamma (compression at the high end stimuli) unless you are truly targeting for a reference environment... even more so in ISFccc
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post #6431 of 6727
1/8/12 at 11:21am
I personally do not calibrate these displays in any Power Save mode except when the owner insists. They cause too many problems. Not even calibrating to 30fL resolves the limitations of using the Power Save modes as they affect gamma at higher APLs (somehting you won't see on typical calibration reports).

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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

If you set was calibrated with the Energy Save option disabled, you would have to recalibrate it if you enable it.

Basically, enabling that option will limit the peak light output and ruin the gamma unless you are truly targeting for a reference environment... even more so in ISFccc
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post #6432 of 6727
1/8/12 at 4:41pm
Well, thanks for the tips so I guess I'll leave well enough alone, but one has to wonder why Pioneer has such a feature like the power save modes if they screw up the picture that much. D-Nice, do you ever come to Kansas?
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post #6433 of 6727
1/8/12 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

Well, thanks for the tips so I guess I'll leave well enough alone, but one has to wonder why Pioneer has such a feature like the power save modes if they screw up the picture that much. D-Nice, do you ever come to Kansas?

I might tour Kansas in the next few months.
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post #6434 of 6727
1/8/12 at 11:01pm
my brother in Oregon tells me he has a Kuro.
I asked which model and he looked on the back of TV and said
6151. It is a 60" with tuner. Is that a Pro151FD?
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post #6435 of 6727
1/9/12 at 1:14am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

I might tour Kansas in the next few months.

When are you coming back to Cali?
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post #6436 of 6727
1/9/12 at 7:13am
The weekend of 1/20.

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When are you coming back to Cali?
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post #6437 of 6727
1/9/12 at 10:40am
D-Nice: Should you decide to tour Kansas would you PM me and let me know? I might be interested in your services. Thanks!
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post #6438 of 6727
1/9/12 at 11:09am
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D-Nice: Should you decide to tour Kansas would you PM me and let me know? I might be interested in your services. Thanks!

Absolutely!
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post #6439 of 6727
1/10/12 at 3:21am
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The weekend of 1/20.

Can I get a tuneup on my 151FD? You calibrated it a year ago...I tried emailing you several months ago, with no response
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post #6440 of 6727
1/24/12 at 10:19am
I have a krp-500m and recently went back to directv and got a HR24nc-500 reciever the problem im having is my blacks are very bad not black at all very gray!!! Need some help here big time anyone know what to do or had this same issue?
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post #6441 of 6727
1/24/12 at 11:06am
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I have a krp-500m and recently went back to directv and got a HR24nc-500 reciever the problem im having is my blacks are very bad not black at all very gray!!! Need some help here big time anyone know what to do or had this same issue?

You need to force your 500M to use RGB-16-235 on the HR24-500 input.
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post #6442 of 6727
2/24/12 at 9:01am
Can you tell the difference if your krp500M is on when your screen is totally black? As an owner of the Japanese krp500A, I can tell my TV is on, as the black level seems a little lighter than the bezel.
It just bothers me that some user here say the 500M's black levels are so black, you can't tell the screen from the bezel.
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post #6443 of 6727
2/24/12 at 9:07am
Well I can tell you that sometimes after shutting down my ps3, I forget to turn the tv off because the screen is just as black as when it's off. Or close enough for my eyes.
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post #6444 of 6727
2/24/12 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by sailwind View Post

Well I can tell you that sometimes after shutting down my ps3, I forget to turn the tv off because the screen is just as black as when it's off. Or close enough for my eyes.

There is just something different with the 500A model. well I use going back and forth between 2 different shop one haven a krp500A and the other the 500M. Its too bad i cant compare the side by side. I just think the 500A is slightly inferior to the 500M in terms of black level. Those display models have been sold long ago so i cannot confirm if there is really a difference.

I don't have any facts to back that up, and there isn't that much documentation on the internet unfortunately. I hope someones knows the difference between the two
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post #6445 of 6727
2/24/12 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by mike kaw View Post

It just bothers me that some user here say the 500M's black levels are so black, you can't tell the screen from the bezel.

They're exaggerating or what they mean is:
1) when there's other light in the room
2) when there's other content on the screen
3) after the panel muted (~30 seconds of no video input)

The MLL of a 101FD/500M is very low but easily seen with normal dark adapted vision in a dark room.
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post #6446 of 6727
2/24/12 at 3:28pm
Also Mike, when these TV's have no signal on, the panel switches to a lighter shade that is not equal to the MLL, so it's more of a dark grey. So that's not a good way to test MLL.
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post #6447 of 6727
2/25/12 at 2:51am
I see.

Do you fellow krp500 user notice that when you turn on it after a long while, the black levels are dark grey and after a few minutes the black levels starts to stabilize?

I did encounter one instance where the black levels of my krp did not go down all the way. It got me scared for a while then I found a solution by changing the TV's
AV Selection from my custom settings to optimum.
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post #6448 of 6727
2/25/12 at 6:36am
I've said this before--Thats just the phosphors yawning.
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post #6449 of 6727
2/25/12 at 12:27pm
What do you guys think of Panasonic VT-50? Will it "kill" Kuro 500M/Elite-101 regarding black levels..
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post #6450 of 6727
2/25/12 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by surap View Post

What do you guys think of Panasonic VT-50? Will it "kill" Kuro 500M/Elite-101 regarding black levels..

Hell no!
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