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post #6511 of 6727
4/3/12 at 9:30am
Ok, this one looks completely different compared to your last picture. This looks like a normal panel. You need to figure out on your end which one looks the most like your display. Its probably best to view your pictures on a calibrated monitor before advising which one is closest to what you actually see.
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Originally Posted by mike kaw View Post

I forgot to mention this but my TV is a krp500A, its uses a similar panel to the M.

Got rid of the pioneer logo as it distracts from the problem and so i took new photos of my TV

This ones cropped to fit the forums:

These files are full sized, expect them to take a while to load:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...t/P1020218.jpg
this one with a white pioneer logo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...t/P1020214.jpg
so its not really read but dark gray, not black with a hint of purple. Maybe my Tv isn't suffering from red tint?
these pictures were taken by my Panasonic LX5.
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post #6512 of 6727
4/3/12 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Ok, this one looks completely different compared to your last picture. This looks like a normal panel. You need to figure out on your end which one looks the most like your display. Its probably best to view your pictures on a calibrated monitor before advising which one is closest to what you actually see.

My mistake. It was the setting of my camera that made the red on the picture go crazy. i was just trying to photograph the black levels of my TV with the red pioneer logo on it. the logo ruind the picture

Well my TV is more like first shot without the crazy red glow. as for finding a calibrated monitor, there aren't any here.
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post #6513 of 6727
4/3/12 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by mike kaw View Post

as for finding a calibrated monitor, there aren't any here.

Unfortunately I cannot help you then. I see two completely different pictures. If your display actually looks like the first one, you have a problem. If it looks like to second, you do not have a problem. Again, this is via a calibrated monitor and the accuracy of what I see is dependent on you.
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post #6514 of 6727
4/3/12 at 1:00pm
D-Nice,
When are you coming through central Virginia? I emailed you yesterday to re-schedule an appointment so please check to see if you recieved.

Thanks,
Barry
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post #6515 of 6727
4/4/12 at 2:05am
ya i guess its extremely difficult to know.
i'll just post one more pic just for kicks.
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post #6516 of 6727
4/4/12 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by blb1215 View Post

D-Nice,
When are you coming through central Virginia? I emailed you yesterday to re-schedule an appointment so please check to see if you recieved.

Thanks,
Barry

Got your reply.

Thanks and I look forward to seeing you in May!

Barry
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post #6517 of 6727
4/4/12 at 9:31am
I need to clarify something. I've read some forum posters say that the kuro blacks totally blend with the bezel. Are these statements an exaggeration? Cause there's no way its its black. On my unit, I can still tell the difference between the panel and bezel.
to me its more like an extremely dark grey with a light hint of purple on it.
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post #6518 of 6727
4/4/12 at 9:38am
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I need to clarify something. I've read some forum posters say that the kuro blacks totally blend with the bezel. Are these statements an exaggeration?

They never will with full screen black. Black bars from movies will blend with certain content.
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post #6519 of 6727
4/4/12 at 12:28pm
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Are these statements an exaggeration?

Yes, with some qualifications that are silly.
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post #6520 of 6727
4/5/12 at 6:49am
That puts mind to rest a bit. I guess the reason why I uploaded those images earlier is I thought my TV wasn't producing the right blacks. People report the craziest black level, which isn't really true after all but i bought into it.

this is my last pic its as close as possible as i can get with my camera:

Maybe my Tv isn't busted.
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post #6521 of 6727
4/5/12 at 1:07pm
^^^^^ looks normal to me.
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post #6522 of 6727
4/5/12 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by mike kaw View Post

That puts mind to rest a bit. I guess the reason why I uploaded those images earlier is I thought my TV wasn't producing the right blacks. People report the craziest black level, which isn't really true after all but i bought into it.

this is my last pic its as close as possible as i can get with my camera:

Maybe my Tv isn't busted.

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^^^^^ looks normal to me.

Is this seriously normal? Looks reddish to me...
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post #6523 of 6727
4/5/12 at 1:47pm
Looks like my 111. Has a purplish tint to it.
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post #6524 of 6727
4/5/12 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Looks like my 111. Has a purplish tint to it.

So in a completely dark room and while watching a dark scene you can see a purplish tint in the black areas? Is it uniform across the tv like the picture posted above? Mine looks a little redder then that but it is more prominent on the right side.
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post #6525 of 6727
4/5/12 at 1:52pm
Get some bias lighting if you want it to "appear" to blend in with the bezel
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post #6526 of 6727
4/5/12 at 1:54pm
Also, I only see the purple ir coating when there is light in my room. I watch with close to zero ambient lumens/lux though, so it has never bothered me.
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post #6527 of 6727
4/5/12 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by mike kaw View Post

That puts mind to rest a bit. I guess the reason why I uploaded those images earlier is I thought my TV wasn't producing the right blacks. People report the craziest black level, which isn't really true after all but i bought into it.

this is my last pic its as close as possible as i can get with my camera:

Maybe my Tv isn't busted.

Your set looks as it should, to me at least. That's pretty black dude.
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post #6528 of 6727
4/5/12 at 2:00pm
And the kuro does have incredible black levels out of the box. But you say your set is NOT calibrated yet, correct? Most professionals fine tune their drag car before they judge it's potential. This "drag car" panel should be treated accordingly.
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post #6529 of 6727
4/5/12 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by progrhythmical View Post

Your set looks as it should, to me at least. That's pretty black dude.

I think what is in question is that the "black" has a purplish/reddish tint to it as opposed to maybe a greyish tint.

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Also, I only see the purple ir coating when there is light in my room. I watch with close to zero ambient lumens/lux though, so it has never bothered me.

That sounds normal. The problem is having a purplish/reddish tint when all of the lights are off. In this case, the light is not reflecting off of the filter.
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post #6530 of 6727
4/5/12 at 2:07pm
Is this a pic of just a no input signal or what is it?
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post #6531 of 6727
4/5/12 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

So in a completely dark room and while watching a dark scene you can see a purplish tint in the black areas? Is it uniform across the tv like the picture posted above? Mine looks a little redder then that but it is more prominent on the right side.

The vast majority of the time I don't notice it while watching content...sometimes, yes, I'll see a little bit of purple on a letterbox bar. I think how much I notice depends on what content is showing on the screen. Case in point, during the end credits of Deathly Hallows 1 on cable TV, when the gold lettering credits are rolling, the purple tint sticks out pretty bad. When the credits turn white, you don't see the purple. Trick of the eye? I don't know.

When I have noticed it, it's always been while watching TV. I can't recall ever seeing any purple clouding on BD content. (But it's been a while since I've watched any BD's)
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post #6532 of 6727
4/5/12 at 2:09pm
It looks fine in my iPhone lol. I'll see how it looks on my set. I was wondering if his color temp setting might have something to do with the red tint. Like maybe it's on "low" or something. But I don't know what kind of signal this is
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post #6533 of 6727
4/5/12 at 2:19pm
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The vast majority of the time I don't notice it while watching content...sometimes, yes, I'll see a little bit of purple on a letterbox bar. I think how much I notice depends on what content is showing on the screen. Case in point, during the end credits of Deathly Hallows 1 on cable TV, when the gold lettering credits are rolling, the purple tint sticks out pretty bad. When the credits turn white, you don't see the purple. Trick of the eye? I don't know.

When I have noticed it, it's always been while watching TV. I can't recall ever seeing any purple clouding on BD content. (But it's been a while since I've watched any BD's)

You might have addressed this already, but I've noticed purple clouding on the sides but especially the tops and corners with cable tv feeds and just some network's feeds in general.
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post #6534 of 6727
4/5/12 at 2:22pm
Also sometimes the black bars are part of the networks pulldown and may not represent true black. I would really only worry about checking content that has accurate colors, like a major motion film on blu ray or something similar.
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post #6535 of 6727
4/5/12 at 2:27pm
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Also sometimes the black bars are part of the networks pulldown and may not represent true black..

TNT is a perfect example of this since they are so overt about it.
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post #6536 of 6727
4/5/12 at 3:06pm
My blacks blend in with most content in movies. In very dark scenes in a pitch black room then I can distinguish the bezel.
Also if you are testing the black levels on just an unused INPUT the TV will display a dark grey which is not what the true MLL are with actual video content.

D-Nice, I remember you posting about a new way of calibrating Kuros and how you measure ANSI contrast, have you followed up yet?
Thanks
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post #6537 of 6727
4/5/12 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by progrhythmical View Post

Is this a pic of just a no input signal or what is it?

yup

taken with Panasonic lx5 bumped the brightness by a hair to match a what i see on the screen.
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post #6538 of 6727
4/6/12 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by mike kaw View Post

yup

taken with Panasonic lx5 bumped the brightness by a hair to match a what i see on the screen.

You can't judge then ( no input signal)


bob
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post #6539 of 6727
4/6/12 at 4:36pm
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Is this seriously normal? Looks reddish to me...

What you see is highly depended on the monitor you are using to view the image. Per my calibrated monitors, it is grey with a purplish tint.
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post #6540 of 6727
4/6/12 at 4:41pm
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Is this seriously normal? Looks reddish to me...

This is very close to what my calibrated 6020 looks like in pitch dark room too. Low level purplish red tinted glow. Not noticeable unless the room is VERY dark to pitch dark, and the screen is mostly or all black content. I guess from what D-Nice has stated many times this is 'normal' for our 9G sets. (waiting for OLDED to be perfected, and cheap..lol)
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