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post #6541 of 6954
I figured it was a no input signal. Like someone said already, you can't judge by that. Test the black areas during some really dark scenes from The Dark Night, or Watchmen or something. If it looks correct there it's not broken enough to justify continuing to worry imo. Especially if it isn't calibrated yet. Too many variables.
post #6542 of 6954
What video mode (pure,game, etc..) do you guys use when you game? I have been using Pure but I started to think about the input lag and was wondering if anyone knew what the input lag was on Pure mode vs Game mode or how to check this. Thanks!

Does anyone know if D-nice posted any GAME mode settings for the 500M? I guess I could search all over the different Kuro threads but I figured this would be quicker. I did find that he posted some settings for the 111FD but I didn't know if he posted them for the KRPs or if I could maybe use the 111FD settings to get close enough.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15079087
post #6543 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

Does anyone know if D-nice posted any game mode settings for the 500M? I guess I could search all over the different Kuro threads but I figured this would be quicker.

What video mode do you guys use when you game? I have been using Pure but I started to think about the input lag and was wondering if anyone knew what the input lag was on Pure mode vs Game mode or how to check this. Thanks!

I use dot by dot, same mode I use for all content. No issues whatsoever and the picture is beautiful.
post #6544 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

Does anyone know if D-nice posted any game mode settings for the 500M?

No.
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if anyone knew what the input lag was on Pure mode vs Game mode or how to check this. Thanks!

Use a game with a delay check?

And don't forget to check PC mode.
post #6545 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

What video mode (pure,game, etc..) do you guys use when you game? I have been using Pure but I started to think about the input lag and was wondering if anyone knew what the input lag was on Pure mode vs Game mode or how to check this. Thanks!

Does anyone know if D-nice posted any GAME mode settings for the 500M? I guess I could search all over the different Kuro threads but I figured this would be quicker. I did find that he posted some settings for the 111FD but I didn't know if he posted them for the KRPs or if I could maybe use the 111FD settings to get close enough.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15079087

I don't have any answers for you, but I have always wondered about the input lag in the different modes. I usually just use ISF-Day, but use game sometimes just for the crazy colors and saturation. I have never noticed a lag difference between the two, but then again I am bad enough at games that I might not notice even if there was a large difference. If you ever measure it or find data on it, please post back here.
post #6546 of 6954
has there been reports of slight rising black levels with the krp500s?
post #6547 of 6954
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Originally Posted by mike kaw View Post

has there been reports of slight rising black levels with the krp500s?

No
post #6548 of 6954
D-Nice did you ever post GAME mode settings for the 500M? I noticed you posted some for the 111. Thanks!
post #6549 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

D-Nice did you ever post GAME mode settings for the 500M? I noticed you posted some for the 111. Thanks!

Nope
post #6550 of 6954
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Nope

Thanks. Did you only post them for the 111? Do you think I could use those as a pretty good starting point? I didn't know how different they would be.
post #6551 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

Thanks. Did you only post them for the 111?

Yes
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Do you think I could use those as a pretty good starting point?

No
post #6552 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Mac13 View Post

What video mode (pure,game, etc..) do you guys use when you game? I have been using Pure but I started to think about the input lag and was wondering if anyone knew what the input lag was on Pure mode vs Game mode or how to check this. Thanks!

Does anyone know if D-nice posted any GAME mode settings for the 500M? I guess I could search all over the different Kuro threads but I figured this would be quicker. I did find that he posted some settings for the 111FD but I didn't know if he posted them for the KRPs or if I could maybe use the 111FD settings to get close enough.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15079087

I've never noticed any lag and I've played a lot of MW3 and other online 'P2P' games, if you will. The KRP's (I have 600m) are pretty exceptional with this in my opinion (and I'm picky). Never pinged it though. Also color output/balances vary so much from game to game that there isn't any "universal" setting that looks good to me. I leave it in Pure. To me it's not worth the anxiety of possible burn in from HUD's because of the high color temp, color over saturation, and elevated sharpness defaults game mode offers. Those are a recipe for burn in disaster with long gaming sessions. Plus pure just looks better to me. I like my games to look as real as "real life" as possible. But that is purely subjective to the observer. I'm a realist 'real world' simulation type of viewer. I hate when I play madden on game mode. The grass looks like it got fertilized with toxic waste. Like Easter egg basket grass....yuck!
post #6553 of 6954
I just picked up a Marantz SR7001 AV receiver and I think I have a little problem. My PS3 HDMI goes to the Marantz input, my satellite receiver HDMI goes to the Marantz input, but do I need the HDMI output from the Marantz to go into the DVI of the 500Min order to support HDCP?

Or, can I just use hdmi out from the marantz to the hdmi input terminal 5 or 6 on the 500M?

Does my 500M support HDCP??
post #6554 of 6954
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Originally Posted by purplerain View Post

Does my 500M support HDCP??

Yes, consumer HDMI means HDCP. It will also do HDCP on DVI which is convenient but not universal.
post #6555 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Yes, consumer HDMI means HDCP. It will also do HDCP on DVI which is convenient but not universal.

So, I just use hdmi out from the marantz to the hdmi input terminal 5 or 6 on the 500M?

Just to double check: HDMI from PS3 + HDMI from satellite receiver = both go to HDMI on Marantz. Then HDMI output on Marantz goes to terminal 5 or 6 on my 500M??

Sorry for the confusion
post #6556 of 6954
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Originally Posted by purplerain View Post

So, I just use hdmi out from the marantz to the hdmi input terminal 5 or 6 on the 500M?

Just to double check: HDMI from PS3 + HDMI from satellite receiver = both go to HDMI on Marantz. Then HDMI output on Marantz goes to terminal 5 or 6 on my 500M??

Sorry for the confusion

All external input devices. > HDMI > AVR (Morantz) > HDMI > Display. Simple.
post #6557 of 6954
I just upgraded to a Directv HR34 and I think I'm having handshaking issues on my KRP-600 when watching HBO. It takes 5-10 seconds, intermittently, for me to get a picture and I get flashes of an HDCP error message.

I'm connected via HDMI running through my Marantz AV7005. Everything is set to output native Res. I never had issues with my HR20 but I've heard HDCP is relatively new on DTV.

Anyone else having a similar problem?
post #6558 of 6954
HDCP has been around for about 10 years. It was optional with DVI connections and HDMI always uses it. It's just a point to point encryption scheme.

How does the DVR behave connected directly to the Kuro? I would first see how things work connecting the DVR directly to the TV. Using a "box" between the source and the TV is really 2 HDMI connections. One for the source to the "box" and one for the "box" to the TV.

Having the DVR set to "native" is probably the best setting, but it also cause different different video formats (480i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p) to be sent to the Kuro. So if you change channels and the new channel is a different video timing/format then it will take a few seconds or so for the TV to sync. And this would be without the AVR in between which could cause additional delays - 10 seconds is a long time.

larry
post #6559 of 6954
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

HDCP has been around for about 10 years. It was optional with DVI connections and HDMI always uses it. It's just a point to point encryption scheme.

How does the DVR behave connected directly to the Kuro? I would first see how things work connecting the DVR directly to the TV. Using a "box" between the source and the TV is really 2 HDMI connections. One for the source to the "box" and one for the "box" to the TV.

Having the DVR set to "native" is probably the best setting, but it also cause different different video formats (480i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p) to be sent to the Kuro. So if you change channels and the new channel is a different video timing/format then it will take a few seconds or so for the TV to sync. And this would be without the AVR in between which could cause additional delays - 10 seconds is a long time.

larry

Thanks Larry. I plan on trying to connect my HR34 directly to my kuro to see if it improves the problem. I've always sent my kuro native Res and I never minded the wait caused by the handshake. I'm aware HDCP has been around for a while but from what I read HBO and Cinemax just started making Directv enforce it about a week ago for the first time. I wouldn't expect to have the problems I'm having given the fact I use HDMI but I've seen EDID problems with other hardware using digital connections in the past.
post #6560 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

... from what I read HBO and Cinemax just started making Directv enforce it about a week ago for the first time ...

I believe the only direct source so far is Zatz and it's far from conclusive who is behind this if there's anything to be behind. I have no trouble passing HBO from my HR-2x through my Denon on to my KRP. On the one hand I would expect a typical staged deployment but, on the other hand, I'm not sure how that would work with something like HBO.

In your case I'd be more inclined to blame the HR-34. They are considered somewhere between unstable and experimental -- depending on who you ask.
post #6561 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

I believe the only direct source so far is Zatz and it's far from conclusive who is behind this if there's anything to be behind. I have no trouble passing HBO from my HR-2x through my Denon on to my KRP. On the one hand I would expect a typical staged deployment but, on the other hand, I'm not sure how that would work with something like HBO.

In your case I'd be more inclined to blame the HR-34. They are considered somewhere between unstable and experimental -- depending on who you ask.

I have to agree with the HR34 being the likely culprit. I had zero such issues with my HR20. I only have a few hours on my HR34 but so far only HBO is giving me troubles.
post #6562 of 6954
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post

I'm aware HDCP has been around for a while but from what I read HBO and Cinemax just started making Directv enforce it about a week ago for the first time

I see that DirecTV is now not outputting to non-HDCP compliant devices for the channels you mentioned. It possible that there's extra stuff that they now have to do that verifies that HDMI connection is using HDCP and that may not be as quick with a two hop connection vs a one hop if they really are trying to figure out if the TV is HDCP compliant instead of the first connection to the AVR.

larry
post #6563 of 6954
Ok i recently ran into a problem with my krp-500 side mount speakers. I usually only use them for regular tv viewing but recently got a surround sound system and have been useing that. Now i tried going back to the side mount speakers for normal tv viewing and get no sound at all??? Checked all conections mute etc.??? Can anyone help me out or have any idea the problem im having?
post #6564 of 6954
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Originally Posted by nextmoney View Post

Now i tried going back to the side mount speakers for normal tv viewing and get no sound at all??? Checked all conections mute etc.??? Can anyone help me out or have any idea the problem im having?

Check "Input Setup 2/2" for Audio mapping. Note that menu page 2 of 2 is not in the manual. The small arrow on page 1 of 2 is the clue if you're using inputs 1-4.
post #6565 of 6954
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

that may not be as quick with a two hop connection vs a one hop if they really are trying to figure out if the TV is HDCP compliant instead of the first connection to the AVR.

larry

It doesn't work like that. The repeater sets up HDCP with the sink and then does an HDCP set-up with the source. There are two distinct encrypted channels in this case -- source to repeater and then repeater to sink.
post #6566 of 6954
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Check "Input Setup 2/2" for Audio mapping. Note that menu page 2 of 2 is not in the manual. The small arrow on page 1 of 2 is the clue if you're using inputs 1-4.

Got no luck im only using inputs 5 and 6 HDMI. Tested the speakers from my reciever and they work fine thinking it must be something internal but dont get why that would just burn out???
post #6567 of 6954
There is probably a setting on you A/V receiver that is not passing along the HDMI audio signal.
post #6568 of 6954
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Originally Posted by nextmoney View Post

Got no luck im only using inputs 5 and 6 HDMI. Tested the speakers from my reciever and they work fine thinking it must be something internal but dont get why that would just burn out???

Is the reciever(surround) off or on when u try to use the side mounted speakers? I may be wrong here as i dont have speakers on mine,i run everything thru my reciever. But dont u have to connect audio straight to the tv to get the tv mounted speakers to work?
post #6569 of 6954
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Originally Posted by nextmoney View Post

Got no luck im only using inputs 5 and 6 HDMI. Tested the speakers from my reciever and they work fine thinking it must be something internal but dont get why that would just burn out???

Good news for some reason the speakers are working fine today. See that my directv reciever had an update lastnight so maybe that had something to do with it??
post #6570 of 6954
Can I connect the Pioneer 101FD speakers I use for the 500M to a pioneer receiver for stereo sound?

I want to do this because I would like to use my subwoofer and don't have an elite but a 500M.

Thanks.
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