The Official Pioneer 9G North American KRP-500M / KRP-600M Owner's Discussion Pt. II - Page 223

Hi,

I heard different - i heard the A's pre 2009 had the 9.5G parts, and after that they were "gimped down again". And all M's (are) the same in that regard (9.5G) But it's probably not true about the A's - probably just rumor.

The 500/600m's were originally destined for the European market only like you probably know. Then last minute NA/US.

All KRP's were the last to come to market and they all share the same technology. They didn't have last models with 2008 imho, parts built on one line and then say..."right, that's it guys" - "the next ones are 2009 parts" - "and these have been on purpose, gimped in parts and performance comparison to the 2008 builds by the engineers for a reason no one knows "

If anything with the M's built lastly in 2009. These would have the last (and) final revisions. Perhaps revision 'C' after the first A&B's. So if anything if going by logic the last ones will have the most "refined" (reliable) revision. But i doubt that would make a difference to performance. Because these were probably the last ones left to be built all the later revisions woud be included.

KRP500 ’s definitely have last minute parts meant for the 10G's. Because these were the last made and designed i thought. Anything said different is rumor i would imagine

Although anything about four year old displays is of little interest do you have any evidence that what you're saying isn't a rumor.

Saying "I saw it on the Internet" isn't evidence. Having worked for or knowing someone who worked for Pioneer in Japan who was in a position to know is evidence.

The 9G Kuro televisions (or as Pioneer referred to them "second" generation) were announced in May 2008. The 600M was announced for Japan in early June 2008 and the 600A and 600M (and the 500A and 500M) were announced for Europe in late June 2008.

I must stress that i don't know the person on a personal basis, but someone i know of..who worked closely with Pioneer.

This is the European 9.5G 'myth' explanation as best as i can remember it. Myth being the word

The first 50" 9G's in europe had a problem with the drive sequencing transitions between the management of the light and dark parts of the image. That caused something like an ocillation in the color (but apparently only happened with certain picture settings) But it was (ok) on the 60" first 9G's apparently.

But only became known at calibration stage on the 50" first 9G models.

So then came along the 50" KRP-500's that had a couple of different parts compared to the first 9G's.

And it came to light that the KRP's had a much better performance because of it.
That includes the European KRP (A) televisions
Edited by Stu03 - 2/7/13 at 2:05am

So pressumably these are the 10G parts that are newer and better performing in (all) KRP500's in every region model.

HEY THANKS VINNIE LOL...sorry had to do it. I'm IN CT don't know why it said NA. Buying used seems risky and you really don't know what your getting unless picked up locally which most aren't local

Well, that's an even tougher proposition, though this might be the best place as any for finding the sets Pioneer allegedly sold off recently. In the meantime, used is the best way to grab one.

Here's an item to scratch your heads over. A couple of weeks ago I had my 600M re-calibrated by Doug Weil of Lion AV and at the same time I was beginning to hook up and break in a new Marantz SR 7007 receiver. On my input 5 HDMI, where the receiver is connected, the pic is calibrated for ISF Night and the screen size is set for Dot By Dot; however, every time I view a BD thru my receiver, at some point the screen size is (unbeknownst to me) set back to Auto, rather than staying in the Dot By Dot mode. Any ideas of what might be causing this? Thanks.

Have you read the FAQ?

I didn't know that this was a "universal"problem, but I'll look into it. Is there something in the FAQ which answers this "vexing" question?

I read thru the FAQ and I didn't see anything which address this issue, unless I missed something.

Q. My settings are reverting to default/My settings reverted to default/One of my settings reverted to default -- why?
a. There are a few common causes for this.
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2) Per resolution effects often look like random resets. Settings are per signal type and some sources change according to content. E.g. a DVR that supports native channel resolution.
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4) Memory overflow will cause the ninth set of settings to push out the first. Referenced here -- probably sourced from page 24 in the Integrators manual.

A clever AVR will show you input and output resolution and color-space. Of course the final authority is the KRP so getting the input type there is "the" answer. A close reading of the FAQ will help you check resolution and color-space details in the panel.

So, am I losing resolution if I leave this set to "Auto." And, I'm not sure how what you're suggesting will solve this issue.

You need to be familiar with the FAQ and the referenced Pioneer documents. Then you'll understand my advice.

It's been a while since I've looked at this but here is what I remember:
If your AVR is hooked up to Input 5 which is set to ISF Night, then the "per resolution" and "memory overflow" items from the FAQ sited above should have no impact. Dot-by-Dot can still be changed by 1) the screen size button on the remote, 2) having Auto Size in the Screen menu set to anything except "Off" or 3) switching from ISF Night to something else, like Pure. So, leave Input 5 on ISF Night, set Auto Size "Off" in the Screen Menu, play a blu-ray, and then use the remote Screen Size button to pick Dot-by-Dot if needed. Once you power everything off and power back on, it should still be in Dot-by-Dot. If not, something else is going on, or I missed something here.

Jd: I didn't realize that one could turn "Auto-Size" off from the menu, so I'll try that and, then as you suggest, pick Dot-By-Dot with the remote. But, in order for the size to stay in this mode, i have to turn off the panel and then turn it back on? I hadn't had this problem previously with my Pioneer receivers, so I thought that maybe the Marantz was sending something from it's HDMI output to cause the pic size mode to revert back to Auto. While I'm at it, does the Auto setting in the picture size mode have any less resolution than dot-by-dot? Thanks!

No, turning the power off doesn't "set" the options. If the options change when there's *no* other change except power cycling then something else is going on. The implicit note is that ISF modes have private settings memory that's not shared with non-ISF modes.

So, does this mean that there may be something wrong in my ISF Night mode which is causing unwarranted picture mode changes?

You have to input 1080, are you?

Also some AVR's switch rez before final rez..

Please test with source direct to Pioneer, bypassing the AVR.

Lastly, screen size is not saved in a ISFccc memory, it depends on signal input and is can be adjusted via with the remote at anytime (options still depend on signal inputted)... this is common with many displays.

For Auto:

Edited by turbe - 2/16/13 at 8:08pm

First, as Turbe pointed out, make sure your Bluray player and other devices that you want to display in DotByDot are set for 1080i/1080p output. DotByDot doesn't apply to 720p for obvious reasons.

After you turn off Auto Size in the Screen menu and set DotByDot on the remote, the point of turning the panel off/on is just to verify that it stayed in DotByDot mode when you power on. When Auto is selected, my KRP will always default to Full1 on power on, which is an overscan mode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overscan), even when I last used DotbyDot. The bottom line is to turn off the Auto Size if you want DotbyDot when you turn the KRP on. Then it will remain in DotByDot even when the input changes between 1080i and 1080p. When Auto defaults to Full1, it is not 1x1 mapped, so yes, you are seeing about 95% of the pixels scaled across your 1920x1080 display.

My BD player, Oppo BDP83SE, IS set to output 1080i/p. My KRP does the same thing when powering on with no video incoming. It shows "FULL", and then when I power on the receiver with the BluRay input selected, the screen will indicate "AUTO." So as long as I disable "Auto" and set pic mode via the remote to Dot-By-Dot, it should stay in that mode, right? As I, recall and I'll double check this, that previously when I have set Dot-By-Dot via the remote and began to play a BD, when I have pressed the "info" button on the TV remote to check pic mode, it has displayed Auto again; but it doesn't default to Full. the display just shows Auto. When I had a non-HDMI capable receiver (Pioneer 56TXi) my player was direct connected to the panel, but since I now have an HDMI-capable receiver (Marantz SR7007), I run the player thru the receiver, along with my other players.

try this.. change the powerup sequence.. power the monitor last and make sure you have the Input Signal present before powering on the Monitor

Also, can try connecting your BD Player direct to the Pioneer for a test bypassing the AVR?

That's normal, mine displays Full when no signal is present too.
Did you disable Auto-Size in the [Home Menu]->Screen menu per my earlier post? I don't think you did. And pressing the Screen Size (what you called "pic mode") button to change it from Auto is only temporary until you power off/on again.

OK, I'm looking at page 37 of the KRP "bible" where it's discussing "automatic screen sizing." Is that what you're talking about by disabling "Auto-Size?" There are three options: first, deactivate auto-size, 2nd "Natural" mode and 3rd Wide Zoom. I'm assuming I don't activate either of these picture modes, do I? I just need to highlight "Off." Correct? thanks!

Yes, highlight and select it - make sure it says "Off" when you are done. AFTER changing the setting to Off, use the remote Screen Size button to set DotByDot and then it will stay in DotByDot.

OK, then, but what are those other modes for? Just curious. thanks!

JD, I just thought of something else. Is your Kuro Reader any easier to use than EZ hours to find out the operating hours on my set? (No offense, Turbe)

non taken, EZ Hours isn't mine, that function is built into the Pioneer Monitor..

did you ever get your kuro monitor setup on your home network?

Actually, I have ordered a Mediabridge 25ft Cat5e cable from Amazon for about $7.50 which should be arriving later this week. And, when it comes in and I get it connected, i was hoping I could call you and you could "walk me thru" what I need to do. I would really hate to screw something up by doing this by myself. I have Cisco E1200 wireless router. Will that work OK?

setting it up is covered in the owner's manual but if you run into problems (please do put effort in), email me and we'll figure something out and/or setup a time for me to call...

I have read the manual on this a couple of times and keep saying to myself, "Huh?" Also, there is a disclaimer in the manual warning that Pioneer is not responsible for any damage caused by performing any of the procedures, so this REALLY makes me nervous. Anyway, will my router work ok? And, I'll re-read this again to see if it makes any more sense. One side note: last night, while I was viewing my BD of "Brave", i kept switching back and forth between Auto and Dot-by-Dot and I really couldn't tell much difference between the two as far as image quality goes. There was a preview on the disc for "Peter Pan" which is in 4:3 aspect, and my set happened to be in Auto at the time, so it went to Wide but image quality was still good, so I'm thinking that maybe all of this Auto/Dot-by-Dot business is "much ado about nothing." As they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." It seems to me that Auto mode isn't giving up much, if any, image quality.