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How does Ethernet get squeezed into HDMI 1.4 ?

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Can someone who has read the HDMI 1.4 spec shed some light on this ? (Kurt maybe).

I am guessing that because of the packet nature, it needs a seperate physical connection, and can not be multiplexed into the HDMI bit stream.

I am also guessing they will use the one previously unassigned connector pin and maybe "steal" one of the shield wires to allow ethernet signals.

Hopefully someone can provide a detailed answer
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They use a big guy with strong arms.
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I wrote an article about this, which is posted over at Audioholics:

HDMI 1.4: No News is (Mostly) Good News

The short answer is that they've taken the one unused conductor, twinned it into a twisted pair with the hot plug detect conductor, and put the shield for this pair together with the DDC/CEC ground. This still means only one data pair, rather than the two pair required for a working ethernet connection, so there's a whole messy protocol to handle that and to mix it with the "audio return channel" which 1.4 also added.

I predict that nobody will ever use this feature. But we'll see...

Kurt
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post #6 of 8
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Thanks Kurt,

So it looks be to yet another "kludge" to keep the marketing dept. happy.

I guess only time will tell if the ethernet over hdmi ever takes off, or if HDMI 2.0 with a new improved 24 pin connector will save the day
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Originally Posted by KurtBJC View Post


The short answer is that they've taken the one unused conductor, twinned it into a twisted pair with the hot plug detect conductor, and put the shield for this pair together with the DDC/CEC ground. This still means only one data pair, rather than the two pair required for a working ethernet connection, so there's a whole messy protocol to handle that and to mix it with the "audio return channel" which 1.4 also added.

I predict that nobody will ever use this feature. But we'll see...

Kurt

Given that there are two broad categories of HDMI 1.4 cable (setting aside connector types and speed ratings) and that running the extra wire will typically add a few pennies to the manufacturing costs do you think sellers will bother to stock both HEAC and non Ethernet flavors ?

It seems to me that a 1.4 HEAC (HDMi Ethernet Channel + Audio Return Channel) cable will be work with anything you through at, whereas a 1.3, 1.2, 1.4 cable without Ethernet will obviously not work with the "latest, greatest" gear.

So if we assume that a 1m HDMI cable costs maybe $1 at source and a 1m HDMI HEAC cable costs maybe $1.10 wouldn't make sense to only stock the HEAC flavor and save the cost of the inevitable tech support issues ??
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I think that's probably right. We will probably just switch over to the HEAC-type stock as soon as we can, as the cost difference will be minimal and it saves having a lot of extra items and, as you mention, support issues.

Kurt
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