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post #421 of 765
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

Didn't you recently hear these at the GTG? I can't remember now, but someone was slightly skeptical about these speakers as far as sonic clarity goes. Was that you? I'm curious as to the impressions of you guys at the GTG

Honestly yes, that was me, and I was proven wrong. I did think they'd perform better than other high sensitivity designs I've heard, mainly because I am aware of Mark's work and reputation, but I've never heard a high sensitivity design perform so well with music (besides Klipsch I guess, but those are horns). I should also mention MANY other people were impressed with the Seaton's. I would say the Seaton's and Salk SoundScape 10's were the two favorites of the day for many people.
post #422 of 765
For those of you without humongous rooms, you might want to take a look at the Catalyst 8C's. I have just gotten 3 of them (for L/C/R) to go along with 1 SubM/HP. In my room of just over 2000 cu ft they are outstanding.
post #423 of 765
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

For those of you without humongous rooms, you might want to take a look at the Catalyst 8C's. I have just gotten 3 of them (for L/C/R) to go along with 1 SubM/HP. In my room of just over 2000 cu ft they are outstanding.

They fill the room!
post #424 of 765
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Honestly yes, that was me, and I was proven wrong. I did think they'd perform better than other high sensitivity designs I've heard, mainly because I am aware of Mark's work and reputation, but I've never heard a high sensitivity design perform so well with music (besides Klipsch I guess, but those are horns). I should also mention MANY other people were impressed with the Seaton's. I would say the Seaton's and Salk SoundScape 10's were the two favorites of the day for many people.

Well, that makes me smile from ear to ear! Now I REALLY can't wait to get my hands on these!
post #425 of 765
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

For those of you without humongous rooms, you might want to take a look at the Catalyst 8C's. I have just gotten 3 of them (for L/C/R) to go along with 1 SubM/HP. In my room of just over 2000 cu ft they are outstanding.

Knowing that the 12Cs outperform them, I just can't compromise if I'm going to get Catalysts. LCR would have to be 12C for me, even in a 2600 cu ft room.
post #426 of 765
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Knowing that the 12Cs outperform them, I just can't compromise if I'm going to get Catalysts. LCR would have to be 12C for me, even in a 2600 cu ft room.

If you have the space and budget for them, then go for 'em!
post #427 of 765
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

If you have the space and budget for them, then go for 'em!

I don't technically have the budget, I'm just going for the gold and doing it anyway lmao.
post #428 of 765
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

The CLX is their flagship speaker.

Just looked up the CLX and oh my.... they certainly don't have that at Best Buy lmao. I'd love to hear those, they really look like they can create a "wall of sound"
post #429 of 765
For those still contemplating a Seaton Speaker purchase or don't know of my review (Given I'm an Aussie and it's posted on an Aussie forum) here's a link to the review posted back in 2010.

Two years on and the Seaton speakers have gone from strength to strength with a rare ability to constantly amaze with new material. I have yet to hear a speaker that even remotely approaches their abilities for HT.

Seaton Speaker Review

Blade
post #430 of 765
I remember reading this, I think Fugueness sent me a link to your review. I just re-read it. I'm loving this right now. The nervousness is subsiding and the anxiousness is growing and growing lol. Nice pictures to btw, that's very similar to how my room is going to be set-up
post #431 of 765
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

I remember reading this, I think Fugueness sent me a link to your review. I just re-read it. I'm loving this right now. The nervousness is subsiding and the anxiousness is growing and growing lol. Nice pictures to btw, that's very similar to how my room is going to be set-up

Thanks for that BD.

Fugueness is a bit of a hero of mine (Even though he'd be embarrassed to hear that!). He certainly gave me a great deal of help around the time I purchased the system. Really nice bloke to know.

The room looks a bit different now, the wall the Projector Screen sits on has been painted a nice dark grey.

All the best with your Audio Journey .

Blade
post #432 of 765
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Originally Posted by BladeRnR View Post

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Fugueness is a bit of a hero of mine (Even though he'd be embarrassed to hear that!). He certainly gave me a great deal of help around the time I purchased the system. Really nice bloke to know. ...

Fugeness is also the one who convinced me to move up to the Catalyst 8C's for my L/C/R, to go with my SubM/HP. And I got my SubM a couple a yrs ago after hearing them at a get-together at his house. A great friend and colleague in the HT hobby.
post #433 of 765
Fugueness also convinced me to go with the Cats. I was set on the JTR Triple 12s, which are Im sure, fantastic. Then when I heard Fugueness went FROM the JTRs TO the Cats, I had to PM him and find out more and why. And here I am now, with a 9 grand deposit on Seaton sound gear lmao
post #434 of 765
Hi!

I'm quite a newbie in this forum, though having read a lot here during the last months. Seaton Speakers gained my attention some time ago, though I'm from Germany and here in good old Europe these speakers are still quite unknown. I know of some users of the renowned Submersive Subwoofer in my country, but still no one owning Catalysts. These beasts are very interesting for my purposes, though I don't intend to use them for HT in the first place, but rather for music.

I also heard a lot about the Cats being very suitable for music listening, but some of my questions haven't been answered yet. Therefore I hope to get an answer from someone here using Cats for music. First of all, I would like to know, which SPL are possible with these speakers. It's not because I'm a listener at extreme levels, in fact I would like to use them also for small partys at my place when I have friends around. At these occasions loud listening for about 50 people should be possible. Is this the case?

Also for this purpose, I need speakers with a wide sweet spot. As an intended movie speaker the Seatons should have no problems in this discipline. Am I right here?

I also plan to addition them with one or two Submersive HPs (when the 240V-Version becomes available) to bring their sonic qualities also to the low frequencies. Anyway I would like to know about the Cat's abilities in the bass range. I read on Marks forum, that the Cats are intended to use within a range of 55Hz - 21Khz. As I understand it, this is meant as the ideal range to use them, not as their frequency range. So what is their FR then? A speaker that big and with that amount of power equipped with two 12inch woofers should be able to reach down lower than 55Hz, even when it is a sealed design, am I right?

I would love to hear some personal experiences of Cat owners, using them also (not only) with music. Is there anyone who listens to electronic or other kind of bass heavy music on them? I personally would use them with electronic music in the first place, so abilities in the mid-bass range, dynamic impact, punch, precision and fastness are very important issues for me. How would you evaluate their qualities regarding these points?

Finally, how would you describe their stereo imaging? Is there anyone using them in a 2.1-Setup, ideally with a Submersive HP Subwoofer (this would be the combination of my dreams)?

Thanks a lot for all answers and for sharing your experiences with me and others!
post #435 of 765
Fugueness, where are you? Lmao. I'm going to be an owner soon so I don't want to answer your questions since I don't own them, but I've read enough to feel confident that they are fantastic all around speakers that can impress anyone, audiophile or not. Fugueness had his share of speakers and now he owns these and is extremely happy with them to say the least lol. Hopefully he chimes in for you. Or shoot him a pm.

Check this out if you didn't read it already:

http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...ight=fugueness
post #436 of 765
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

Fugueness, where are you? Lmao. I'm going to be an owner soon so I don't want to answer your questions since I don't own them, but I've read enough to feel confident that they are fantastic all around speakers that can impress anyone, audiophile or not. Fugueness had his share of speakers and now he owns these and is extremely happy with them to say the least lol. Hopefully he chimes in for you. Or shoot him a pm.

Check this out if you didn't read it already:

http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...ight=fugueness

He lives right here in Berkeley.
post #437 of 765
Thanks for the link, which I indeed already knew. Fugueness' review is one reason for my interest in these speakers. I was looking for active speakers which are able to top my current studio monitors (Event Opal) in all possible categories. It's not because I don't like the sound of my monitors (they are really great), but my quest for perfection, a passion which I obviously share with most participants in this thread, leaves me restless if there is more possible. My monitors are able to reproduce enormous levels of more than 111Db continously, while providing no audible distortion and absolute transparency and clearness, whilst maintaining a massive bass and great stereo imaging. Active speakers, which outperform my monitors would be at least three or four times more expensive, and I am not very confident in finding studio gear (I'm explicitly talking of studio gear, due to the fact that hifi-speakers of the same quality would come at much higher costs) here in Germany that really matches my expectations. So I've been looking for some insider tip, providing audiophile qualities which can compete with the best high end speakers available without having to pay a yearly salary for it. Catalysts seem to be a really hot candidate for that. Unfortunately I don't have the possibility to listen to them personally, so this would be a blind buy, which leaves me a bit worried. Reason enough to get as much information and experiences about these speakers as I can.

American speaker manufacturers are quite interesting for me in general. They don't accept any compromise when it comes to power and headroom. While American speakers are planned and constructed with the question in mind "what is possible?", German and most European manufacturers always ask "what is reasonable?". This is pretty boring and kinda typical for our mentality I guess.
post #438 of 765
I just looked up Event Opal. When I get my Seatons, I'll be able to give more accurate thoughts on the two compared, but from what I can see, it looks like for which has better sound quality, which is subjective of course, can only be determined by someone that has heard both so I won't comment on it. SPL, the Cats I'm sure can go louder then the Event Opals without distortion and still sounding crystal clear. And bass extension, the 12C is designed to be used with a subwoofer, so bass performance between the two may be very similar, even though one sports 2 12" driver and the other only 1 8" driver. It's just the way the speakers were designed. The slight reduction (for lack of a better word) in extension on the cats, results in higher SPL and more concentration on frequencies that the speaker will most likely be reproducing anyway with the use of a good subwoofer such as the Submersive HP.
post #439 of 765
Thanks a lot for your efforts, your comments confirm what I already had in mind: Cats could go deeper, but are tuned to 55Hz in order to optimize their performance and leave place for a high class sub like the SubM. That's maybe one speciality of a home theater speaker, no one would use these without a matching sub. I'm fine with that, for I wouldn't ever use a stereo setup instead of a 2.1-System.

If Cats are really able to outperform my Opals regarding SPL, distortion and transparency, I'm pretty shure they would be the right choice for me. On paper they should do this easily - 2000W continous power sealed, 2x12inch vs. 320W continous ported and 1x8inch. But believe me, my monitors sound like so much more than these 320W - I listened to almost every opponent in the class up to 6000 a pair, none of these were better when it comes to SPL, distortion and clearness. I am pretty confident that only first class three way speakers are able to hold a candle to them. I would be very thankful for a comment of someone, who listened to both, the Opals and the Cats, though I'm aware that it is very unlikely to find such a person in this forum. I would already be glad, if someone who experienced the Cats and other high class studio monitors, would report here, for I've pretty much personal experience with this class of speakers. I've read a lot about people in this forum using Genelecs as movie speakers. A comparison between these and the Cats would be very helpful for me, because I know almost every Genelec monitor with two and three ways.
post #440 of 765
Dustcap-
There is a long expensive comparison between the genelecs and the catalysts on marks forum. Might wanna check it out.
post #441 of 765
How much do the Catalyst 8c's go for?
post #442 of 765
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Originally Posted by ehoeft View Post

Dustcap-
There is a long expensive comparison between the genelecs and the catalysts on marks forum. Might wanna check it out.

Yes, and here it is:

http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...light=genelecs

Read it in its entirety
post #443 of 765
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Originally Posted by Dustcap View Post

Thanks a lot for your efforts, your comments confirm what I already had in mind: Cats could go deeper, but are tuned to 55Hz in order to optimize their performance and leave place for a high class sub like the SubM. That's maybe one speciality of a home theater speaker, no one would use these without a matching sub. I'm fine with that, for I wouldn't ever use a stereo setup instead of a 2.1-System.

If Cats are really able to outperform my Opals regarding SPL, distortion and transparency, I'm pretty shure they would be the right choice for me. On paper they should do this easily - 2000W continous power sealed, 2x12inch vs. 320W continous ported and 1x8inch. But believe me, my monitors sound like so much more than these 320W - I listened to almost every opponent in the class up to 6000€ a pair, none of these were better when it comes to SPL, distortion and clearness. I am pretty confident that only first class three way speakers are able to hold a candle to them. I would be very thankful for a comment of someone, who listened to both, the Opals and the Cats, though I'm aware that it is very unlikely to find such a person in this forum. I would already be glad, if someone who experienced the Cats and other high class studio monitors, would report here, for I've pretty much personal experience with this class of speakers. I've read a lot about people in this forum using Genelecs as movie speakers. A comparison between these and the Cats would be very helpful for me, because I know almost every Genelec monitor with two and three ways.

Just stumbled on this discussion. I don't have much time at the moment so will try to add more later, but I can tell you that the cat12c have few rivals when it comes to SPL and dynamics capability. All Seaton secret sauce aside purely looking at the physics of the solution on paper. There is enough displacement on hand that when focused above 50Hz as noted here, you have serious fire power on tap... Add to that a bank of huge amplifiers. What you end up with is a speaker system that delivers the goods at just about any SPL tolerable while quite honestly just loafing along. I think if SPL is a concern you will be blown away unless your reference is live sound concert type reproduction equipment. And even then there is much shared technology.. being more similar than not

The biggest thing that I notice about the cats is that when pushed they don't reveal how loud the SPL really is. In other words distortion doesn't set in that you'd typically hear. They just sound normal. Therefore, you tend to push and push them. Just smiling. Then you try to talk to your buddy next to you and realize you have to yell to have a conversation. Yet the cats sound clear and untaxed.

That's just one great and awesome quality about them though. The fact that they are a wonderful sounding speaker is the key in all of this. Have great dispersion properties. They don't have to be loud.. But the ability to tap it when needed they are standing by when called upon. The rest of the time they deliver audio bliss.

I'll say this.. This is the first set of speakers I've come across where the upgrade bug has been cured. I've had mine for a few years now with zero desire for anything else. Mark has cured upgardeitis syndrom... They're also the first set of speakers that have ever scared me With Mr. Seaton at the volume knob and playing the gun shot scene from open range.
post #444 of 765
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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

How much do the Catalyst 8c's go for?

All of Seatons prices can be found here:

http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...ricing-3366417
post #445 of 765
@ehoeft & Blackdevil77: Thanks for the hint, after an hour of reading in this thread on Mark's forum I'm pretty confident about the Cats. I can agree to the evaluation about the Genelecs being extremely detailed and in some ways "brutally" honest in their sound. To be honest, I can't really understand why Genes are so popular as home theater speakers in the US. I personally don't like them for music at all and I doubt this would be different when watching movies. To my ears they sound sterile and extremely analytic, without any emotion, harsh in the highs and mids and as said in this thread very fatiguing. If Cats don't sound this way, a bit less detailed and more warm and full of dynamics, they are in my opinion much more suitable for simply enjoying music or movies, while the Genelecs are rather a workhorse developed to dissect sounds in a studio.

@zamboniman: Thanks a lot for your comment. You are stating what I already supposed. Given these specs on paper, Cats must be incredibly powerful speakers with tons of dynamics and headroom. To put that clear: SPL is not a mean category for me to decide on a speaker. Distortion, transparency, dynamics and precision are much more important for me. I just want to make shure, that these speakers are able to outperform my current monitors in almost every aspect, for this would be my goal in a purchase of this dimension: To buy the last speakers of my life (and this does not mean, I'm gonna die next year) and, as you mentioned, "cure my upgradeitis". The categories mentioned are the ones where my Opals rule. SPL is just a nice side effect of a high powered active speaker which only gets interesting when it comes to the rare opportunities, when I use them for smaller parties at my place. I intend to use them in a couple of different occasions, such as music listening, movie watching and celebrating partys. They should be suitabel for every kind of use, and I'm meanwhile pretty shure that Cats are.
post #446 of 765
I'm sure the Cats would probably outperform them in most categories like dynamics, SPL, but sound is subjective. That's something you have to hear for yourself. E-mail Mark and see if any owners live near you and willing to give you an audition. If not, I know there are a lot of people that can attest to the sound quality of the cats. I'll let them take it from here. Once I get my cats, I'll be able to comment on this aspect, but until then, I don't want to speak on their sound quality until I feel my information would be accurate.
post #447 of 765
Again thanks for your efforts, I am looking forward to your experiences with great anticipation. In the meantime, fugueness shot me a PM and convinced me of the great bargain that Cats are. By the way, thanks to this great guy, who is always helpful when it comes to providing usefull information and support!
post #448 of 765
A lot of talk on the 12C's, but what could one expect from the 8C's in a smallish (less than 2,000 cu ft) dedicated theater with 2 Submersives all dialed in with Audessey XT32? I'm currently running the Atlantic Technology 8200e THX system with dual SVS PB13 Ultras. Amplification is an Earthquake Cinenova.
post #449 of 765
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Originally Posted by bambam View Post

A lot of talk on the 12C's, but what could one expect from the 8C's in a smallish (less than 2,000 cu ft) dedicated theater with 2 Submersives all dialed in with Audessey XT32? I'm currently running the Atlantic Technology 8200e THX system with dual SVS PB13 Ultras. Amplification is an Earthquake Cinenova.

As I've noted above, I have 3 Cat 8C's and 1 SubM/HP (and 5 Ascendacoustics HTM200's as surrounds) in a room ~2200 cu ft. Since the Cat's and SubM are powered, my Onkyo 3008 AVR only drives the surrounds. It's hard for me to imagine a more totally encompassing sound. As has been said about the 'big' Cats, one can drive the 8C's to more than I can tolerate, and they never become harsh or shrill--just powerful and clear.

I can't imagine what the Cat 12's would be like in my room, but it's irrelevant since I wouldn't have the space for them.
post #450 of 765
Those of you guys with the Cat 12Cs that also have projector screens that ARE NOT acoustically transparent and have the center 12C under the screen, horizontally. What stands are you using to mount your Cat 12C, and do you have the speaker angled upward? If so, how? I have about 26 inches of clearance between the floor and the bottom of the screen so I don't want the stand to be too high that it gets in front of the screen. I noticed audioguy is using a sound anchor stand for the center. The studio center channel stand I believe it is on this page:

http://www.soundanchors.com/page60.html

A design like this is perfect, but I I don't know if this will block my screen or not.


Also, how many of you guys have the Catalyst 12C set-up? I've seen some pics from a couple of people, but not that many. Post some pics guys, looking at these pictures never gets old! When I get my set-up, I'll be posting some pictures for sure
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