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post #31 of 47
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Hi again guy's,

thought i'd drop by and post an update on the situation. So I went through with the plan and contacted the 'Department of Consumer Affairs' and at length described what had transpired so far. They took it all quite seriously, assigned me a case number and called me back the next day with a contact number for a "Resolutions" guy for Samsung Australia with whom they had a good talk to about the situation. I made the call and this reso guy immediately started with the "Sirs" "I can't apologise enough" "We are so sorry for your troubles" etc, etc, etc...to be honest, the last thing I expected. I did not really hold out any hope to progress any further than I already had with this company but it seems that while one lone little guy is nothing to worry about, a Goverment Watchdog for Consumer Affairs scared the **** out of somebody.
He proceeds to tell me that the set should never have had repairs attempted upon it when it was so new, that they should have outright replaced straight away...I agreed, more apologies, then a few more apologies. Then the crunch, "what are you going to do about it" I ask, "You name it" is the response, "What do you want... a brand new set...a total refund", I stopped him right there "a refund will be just fine thanks" He's asked me to give him till Thurday to sort out the details then to contact him if he hasn't come back to me...note that so far he has suggested that this should be OK, he's going to confirm on Thursday at which point i'll post to clarify that it's actually over.
So it seems I've won my David & Goliath moment, & of course I'm happy but the fact of the matter is that if I didn't involve a big hitter to advocate for me I know they would still be telling me to **** off like so many other people whose posts i've been reading, so it's a bitter sweet lesson learnt...Now, what am I going to replace it with?
You lads got any suggestions for a nice 40 - 42"?
post #32 of 47
Glad to hear! Hopefully they will make good and give you a refund. At least you can now be cautiously optomistic.
post #33 of 47
Wow!

You know, I was all set to pull the trigger on one of these sets this summer but when I started reading about all the problems they were having, I decided to wait. Glad I did. And Samsung isn't alone; they're all crap.

It seems to me that we're currently living in a sort of Twilight Zone for the TV industry. Just about all the sets on the market have major issues. From plasma, to LCD, to LED, they all have their major drawbacks. And no, I should not just shrug my shoulders and learn to live with these drawbacks. And most especially, not at the prices these sets sell for.

I'm sure that in a few years these defects will all be a thing of the past but in the meantime buyers only have a Hobson's choice in TV sets. "Good day sir, would you like this set of defects or those? And I must insist that you pay a huge premium for this privilege." Well screw all you charlatans peddling this snake oil. You're not getting my money.

Makes you wish they'd bring back those good old reliable CRTs, don't it?
post #34 of 47
No I don't want the good old CRTs back. Have you ever tried to hang one of those on the wall?

I don't have any issues with my 55B8000. Does it have slightly darkened corners - only if I pull myself out of my viewing experience and stare at a corner on a white screen. I guess in my case ignorance is bliss, to each his own.
post #35 of 47
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Originally Posted by Flave View Post

Wow!

You know, I was all set to pull the trigger on one of these sets this summer but when I started reading about all the problems they were having, I decided to wait. Glad I did. And Samsung isn't alone; they're all crap.

It seems to me that we're currently living in a sort of Twilight Zone for the TV industry. Just about all the sets on the market have major issues. From plasma, to LCD, to LED, they all have their major drawbacks. And no, I should not just shrug my shoulders and learn to live with these drawbacks. And most especially, not at the prices these sets sell for.

I'm sure that in a few years these defects will all be a thing of the past but in the meantime buyers only have a Hobson's choice in TV sets. "Good day sir, would you like this set of defects or those? And I must insist that you pay a huge premium for this privilege." Well screw all you charlatans peddling this snake oil. You're not getting my money.

Makes you wish they'd bring back those good old reliable CRTs, don't it?

Wow!
You will be watching that CRT for a long time waiting for all those bargin priced, issue free, perfection PQ displays to hit the market.
Too bad you feel everything currently available is so unwatchable. The rest of us must be fools.

I've enjoyed my all my sets the last few years even thogh some others have said the sets listed below were "plagued" with issues.
A Sony with no clouding.
A Sharp with no banding.
A new Sammy LED with no dark corners, flashlighting or clouding.

I should rush out and buy a lottery ticket, as I must be truly blessed.
post #36 of 47
Thread Starter 
Hi People,
I'm pleased to say that finally all this time later with the assistance of the Department of Fair Trading, Samsung today issued me with a full refund for the LED Set in question. I could bang on about the protracted amount of time it took and the stress it involved but truth told I'm just glad it's done & can be put behind methanks for your thoughts & inputI'm moving on.
post #37 of 47
I went to the local Future Shop yesterday to check out the Samsung 7000 and noticed the 55 inch model had dark spots in the corners which was very noticeable on light backgrounds. I brought it to the attention of the salesperson and he said it must be a defect with that particular screen and that he'll try to get it replaced. I figured it was just a defective unit as well, but when I went to Best Buy to take a look at some more screens, I noticed that the 55 inch Samsung 8000 had the same dark spots around the corners as well.

I mentioned to the salesperson that I'd just seen the same thing on the 55 inch model at Futureshop and he said he'd never noticed it before, but after pointing it out, he agreed that it was quite easy to see. I couldn't see any defects on the 46 inch or smaller models though.

So either I was just "lucky" finding two display models that were both defective, or these displays start to exhibit this problem after being used for a long time, or it was there from the beginning. I'm just wondering if this is an issue with edge lit technology and if they all suffer from this problem. I was very close to picking up the UN55B8000 until I noticed the dark spots..
post #38 of 47
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It seems to me that we're currently living in a sort of Twilight Zone for the TV industry. Just about all the sets on the market have major issues. From plasma, to LCD, to LED, they all have their major drawbacks. And no, I should not just shrug my shoulders and learn to live with these drawbacks. And most especially, not at the prices these sets sell for.

I'm sure that in a few years these defects will all be a thing of the past but in the meantime buyers only have a Hobson's choice in TV sets. "Good day sir, would you like this set of defects or those? And I must insist that you pay a huge premium for this privilege." Well screw all you charlatans peddling this snake oil. You're not getting my money.


IMHO, the new backlighting technologies should be making screen illumination more uniform and consistent. I guess it is worth it for some to go from flashlighting and shallow darks (ccfl) to deeper darks and dark corners (LED).

Five years ago, I would have said zero pixel defects should be the top priority. They pretty much have that in today's sets.

Even illumination on a 50+ inch screen should be THE top priority today... beyond black levels, 120/240 hz technology, yada, yada , yada.

I can't stand to look at a picture with obvious defects. To me, deeper blacks take a backseat to obvious pixel and illumination problems. In fact, deeper blacks and whiter whites make flashlighting/clouding/dark corners MORE obvious and annoying.
post #39 of 47
Whew!, I thought I was the only one with this problem anyway is there a solution because I'm still within my warranty period at Future Shop and if they're all the same what's the point of exchanging it? Is the new slim 50" plasma by Samsung any better or does it have its own issues because personally I'm not a fan of plasma? On mine its most noticeable on drak scenes especially black rich scenes...ie Dark Knight Blu Ray also the 1600 BD player by Samsung is stalling when you put a bluray in...is it just my bad luck?
post #40 of 47
My 55 inch 7000 had dark corners and was buzzing/humming. I bought it in May. They sent out a tech who could not fix the buzzing so they sent me a new set, same model. No more buzzing abd NO DARK CORNERS. Maybe they fixed this problem on the newer sets.
post #41 of 47
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Originally Posted by wallstreet123456 View Post

My 55 inch 7000 had dark corners and was buzzing/humming. I bought it in May. They sent out a tech who could not fix the buzzing so they sent me a new set, same model. No more buzzing abd NO DARK CORNERS. Maybe they fixed this problem on the newer sets.

Well, I got my 7100 just a few days ago. No dark corners, but the flashlighting is very bad. I think I'd rather have dark corners.
post #42 of 47
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Originally Posted by Vermifuge View Post

The local dimming screens have there own problems like blooming and haloing. so it s a give and take. nothings perfect.

Not the 8500. It's hardly noticeable if at all when watching movies.
post #43 of 47
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Originally Posted by HybridVigor View Post

Well, I got my 7100 just a few days ago. No dark corners, but the flashlighting is very bad. I think I'd rather have dark corners.

By a copy of Joe Kanes "video essentials" and calibrate your samsung led hd tv. My 55b8000 had the dark corners and samsung replaced the screen under warranty after one phone conversation. Result was no dark corners but the dreaded flashlight effect instead.

I tweaked my 55b8000 using the material on kane's dvd (on blue-ray too) and the result is no more anything except one spectacular video display on my samsung 55b8000 w/o an of the problems complained about in these threads.
post #44 of 47
guys these problems are a product of VA panels. ANY VA based LCD panel has the potential for them and its due to the direction the LC's are aligned in the glass




http://www.lgdisplay.com/homeContain...ech531_j_e.jsp

it is caused by too much or too little thickness on the LCD glass panel and pressure applied by the frame of the TV will often cause this to happen.

Sony and Samsung TV's with the S-PVA panels are most prone to the problem with as much as 60% of users reporting it according to polls that have been conducted on these forums.

it would appear that they had a bad batch of these panels made for quite some time last year as well because just a few months ago a couple people reported buying as many as 4 TV's with the same panel (same model samsung) and every one of them had uniformity problems.

i've personally owned 2 VA type LCD TV's one sony and one toshiba, the sony had an S-PVA panel and had a small flashlight in the top left corner, the Toshiba had a Samsung made panel had had terrible flashlighting in all 4 corners brand new out of the box. I no longer own the Toshiba due to this and many other problems it had.
post #45 of 47
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Originally Posted by galrads View Post

By a copy of Joe Kanes "video essentials" and calibrate your samsung led hd tv. My 55b8000 had the dark corners and samsung replaced the screen under warranty after one phone conversation. Result was no dark corners but the dreaded flashlight effect instead.

I tweaked my 55b8000 using the material on kane's dvd (on blue-ray too) and the result is no more anything except one spectacular video display on my samsung 55b8000 w/o an of the problems complained about in these threads.

you just reduced how visible the problem is by calibrating your display, the problem is still there you just don't see it now that your LCD is not on torch mode
post #46 of 47
a problem that only occurs when the tv is on torch mode is not a problem.
post #47 of 47
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Originally Posted by bob13bob View Post

a problem that only occurs when the tv is on torch mode is not a problem.

the problem is on many of these TV's calibrating them only reduces the problem it does not eliminate them.

the person above got lucky he could remove the problem by calibration, many, many people who have complained about these TV's on this forum could not.

another problem is potentially with time the LC's can sag downward after many years of use and then you have a terrible looking display that is not fixable, its been reported to have happend before and only time will tell how the newest ones hold up over time.
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