Star Trek TNG movies Sept!! - Page 7

You mean Icon Productions and/or 20th Century Fox?

Surely these TNG films are just old masters with the EE already there?

Paramount was responsible for Braveheart.

The TNG films are newer transfers.

Hmm thanks for the info, sir Peter.

Holding breath for Generations. The SE dvd was awful.

After looking at the First contact screencaps at dvdbeaver. I couldnt find anything wrong with the image. Its not much grain on the screencaps, but it wasnt much grain in the theatrical presentation either.

So this one will be a buy from me.

You keep saying this but not *why* you think it was.

Reality is that it was one of the rare unfiltered DVDs.

Not to speak for Dave, but the EE was among the absolute worst *I* have ever seen. Look at any closeup of Data. His forehead is literally shimmering with EE. People complained about the excessive EE in Gladiator or Tremors (in HD, no less), but the EE in those don't hold a candle to that in Generations (IMHO)...

It's not EE, it's aliasing from all the fine lines.
DVDs are usually filtered to prevent these artifacts, at the expense of true high-resolution detail.

When it ran on SHO-HD (the same transfer) these artifacts disappeared due to the higher resolution available.

I ABSOLUTELY agree! Generations, both on Laserdisc and DVD (both versions, all of which I bought and regretted) is completely unwatchable. It certainly isn't the best of the Star Trek films, but it is important to me because it is the last time Shatner played Kirk, and it is the only time we will ever see the Enterprise D in a feature film. However, the mystical shimmering Data makes this moving literally unwatchable for me. I will pay the cost of the box set just to get a correct transfer of this movie at long last. If they screw it up again, even being the completest I am, I won't buy it on principle. Not a fourth time. I'll pick up First Contact by itself if I have to.

Generations on Laserdisc and DVD is THE movie to show someone if they don't understand what edge enhancement is and how bad it can look. It is the textbook example.

Thanks for the correction . I still think it looks really bad (I will take Tremors on HD DVD over Generations any day... much better movie, too ), and would have liked PQ on par with First Contact SE..


Good to know.

You get this information from where ?

I think the cinematographer John Toll oversaw a new master for this a few years back and Icon had a huge hand in that.

Therefore i personally think Icon had more to do with the quality of the transfer than Paramount or Fox. Check out some other Icon titles as they generally seem to do a great job on their releases. Fox handles Braveheart in Europe and Brazil.

Looking forward to seeing Star Trek First Contact and Star Trek Insurrection in high definition as they are the only two next generation films i like. I'm holding off though until more information on the quality of the transfers come in as i personally rate Paramount as the worst cheapskate studio for using old masters in poor condition optimized for DVD. Hell i consider some of their DVD's real bad with too much processing and that seems to be continuing with a lot of their catalog titles on Blu Ray.

Well, whatever it is, it looks horrible. So bad that it makes the disc unwatchable, and it doesn't look anything like it did in the theater, obviously. It is the worst artifact I've ever seen in a DVD. If you had to make the movie sepia and turn the image upside down to get rid of it, it would be worth it.

I think it more comes down to when the master was created. If its new enough it gonna look "good", but if its an older master they release it anyway. They doesnt seem to care about creating a new master just because it needs a new master.

I would have had this set Monday if the person I bought it from hadnt sent me the DVD set of the TNG Movie Collection

He has promised that a BD set would be sent out today via Special Delivery so as long as nothing else unexpected happens I will have the set tomorrow morning.

Gotcha. I didn't see it in HD. All I did was rent the dvd and on my older 720P FP it looked really "oversharpened". I didn't really wonder what the reason was, just thought it looked really bad. Many critics concurred and I wound up buying the PAL R2 version which looked much better. Even with the PAL speedup, it was more pleasant to look at.

I don't care what they did or did not do with the Generations DVD, it looks AWFUL.

You can't judge PQ on DVDs properly anyway, because they all look crap

I'm sure this will slip out early in some places, especially the individual movies. Even BV stores have been known to put out catalogs early. OTOH, sometimes they don't even get them at all though.

Well compared to other dvds, this looked partcularly bad.

After what seemed like years I now have the BD boxset and I am in the process of taking screenshots of the scenes requested but if there are anymore in particular people want to see just post.

I'd like to see a shot of the space battle in nemesis, a bridge shot in insurrection, the the crash scene in generations.

Thanks!

If you could post some medium to long distance filmed scenes from each movie that would be great. Closeups always reveal detail but with high definition i think the medium to long distance camera shots tell us a lot more about the transfer than a close up can.

I gots me industry sources.


It's a brand new transfer.

I'd just like to know if the full Star Trek: The Experience films are on that bonus disc, just not some cheesy behind the scenes bit.

First Contact Screengrabs at 1920x1080 and uncompressed

Still look very close to my theatrical visit.

Insurrection Screengrabs taken at 1920x1080 and uncompressed

Nemesis Screengrabs taken at 1920x1080 and uncompressed

Generations Screengrabs taken at 1920x1080 and uncompressed

Thanks for the screencaps Indy.

The alien footage in Nemesis looks too clean.

Picard doesnt come out right in Insurection, his skin looks a little like cartony


Generations and First contact look alright on the other hand.