Titan 1080P 3D Dual Ultra Thread - Page 5

Guess what, the Seleco folks just have a new projector out;-).
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post17653005

But, did I read you got that projector you were contemplating getting?

lon i feel very sorry for you.

first the christie issue than this with the titan.

it is unbelievable what kind of problems all this projectors have!

all these manufacturers should feel ashamed and I really wonder how they can
make there business.
thanks to forums like avs they cant tell us anymore
" you are the only one that has problems with this pr." as we know it better.

and not forget all the people that can measure cr. lumen etc. so we know for
sure if their numbers are marketing numbers or true numbers.

think about it when people buy a big mercedes benz car and almost every one
would have big problems it will be take not long that no one like to buy such a car
anymore.
but for high end home cinema pr.that seems to be not the case.

issues like this is a last wake up call for this manufactures.

Yes Donald, but life goes on and if I have to take a decision in the future, I will remember what happended here

Bottom line is PROJECTORS NEED TO BE MODULAR and DIGITAL CINEMA BASED for the MANUFACTURER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE the necessary backing available to the customer.

I will be very candid...
The Superkontrast at CEDIA was operating on the second DVI input, the first one was dead on arrival.

Barco sent me the DVI back board, I opened a card cage took out the module and installed the replacement, it did not work, so Barco sent the TI Board where the Dallas key circuit resides. I cloned the projector to my pc (123...) as a backup, slid out the card cage, slipped the TI Board in, restored the clone file (totally foolproof) and in ten minutes I had my DVI a up and running.

A Prosumer like Lon would greatly benefit from that level of 100% modularity and software engine.

May this too serve as a lesson to all the manufacturers.

In essence all beamers are modular, one module, just swap it out;-).

Haha yes. But a serious unit should be modular. Christie and Nec are retooling that way big time.

Just wanted to mention that Jim from Lumagen indicates the XE Radiance should provide more stable HDMI to DVI connections with the DPI projectors and others. The 1.3 Hdmi circuits provide compensation not found on the XD.
I am getting ready to install a Reference 700 1080p 3D next month. We have an specified an XE.

I didnt mean to insinuate the problem was with the Lumagen.Just that the XE will help compensate for problems with HDMI/DVI connections where the XD does not. I wish DPI would use HDMI regardless of the crappy connector

So, Canuck Curt can stop bitching 'bout digitals and remain in business till he drops;-).

Amen.

Peter did they delete your recent Katyusha post? I wanted to link to it, but can't find it anymore.

That is a shame as it is very painful on my neck at the moment to write on the computer.

But yes the big one is named the Katyusha for it's sheer light output potential and payload (lamp size) flexibility.

Hope that works out for you Lon. Also look forward to your impressions of the 3D performance.


Jim

Sorry if this was already clarified,but are you getting the described noise when feeding 1080p24 to the Lumagen and then 1080p60 from the Radiance to the projector? I am not a super expert in this regard,but the Radiance should provide better pictures with 1080p60 output. For a pixel for pixel match with the projectors native resolution?
Obviously getting the new projector is the way to go.Just trying to determine how I am going to organize a similar set up.
Thanks

I missed this.. How are you getting a copy of Avatar 3D at home?

Thanks,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit...tial_Signaling

TMDS from Wikpedia. Based on reading this description of TMDS and the discussion I had with Jim at Lumagen sometime ago, I wonder if a 1.3 version of HDMI on the sending device might have eliminated the problem. An "XE" Lumagen or even a PS3 with current firmware.Just blathering a little, I know the problem will be eliminated with the new projector.
What is obvious it that DPI HAS to at least offer an HDMI connection on their projectors.

Avatar is going to be the biggest shot in the arm to high end home cinema and specially to the kontrast enhanced DCI based 3-D systems. Everything from the projector, the 3-D system, the solid state playback chain, the image enhancement macros, the shape of the screen, the masking scheme (CIA), the wall coverings (Black Velvet), the stadium closer proximity seating arrangements, the stadium auditoria-friendly seating arrangements (ergonomic low backs with remote control deployable back and footrest), the maximum cantilever d-box system for movies, the detachable steering wheel, shift, and pedal platform contraption for head to head 4-D gaming, the type of speakers ( Now Dynaudio Acoustics is going to show Genelec how to do things), the 16 channel surround processors with pseudo sdds and height channels, also with expandable / compandable sound-stage width macros to follow the masking and zoom servos, the design of behind the screen and behind the fabric in wall super-speakers for surround channels to accommodate the new 16 channel signal pipeline at the movies with quad-amplification in the 5 front channels and all digital PATHWAYS FOR SOUND. The remote monitor-ability of 100% of the system with remote maintenance and metadata management. The list goes on.

Everything is up for grabs on this challenging winner take all opportunity to overhaul from top to bottom the entire Mount Olympus of the ULTRA HIGH END. May we be given the health, energies and enlightenment not to let down the millions of future generations of multi-sensory Cinemaphiles 20-40 years from now that will be the biggest beneficiaries of the great Home Cinema Revolution of 2010.

Thank you James Cameron!!!

Avatar Optimized Home Cinemas; the way to roll in 2010. Think of that when making your New Years resolution...

From what I've read, the plan is to release this in 2D in about 6 months and then in 3D later in the year. I wonder if this will be showing in 3D theaters even after they release it in 2D.

--Darin

It would seem players would have to on the market,before the 3D version comes out?The standards were just announced the other day. I am sure their will be some interesting news from CES.
I hope they just plug into the DPI Reference 3D we recently sold!

3D will be the big craze at CES, it will be everywhere.
Cedia we will see a new generation of 3D projectors capable of displaying both formats 1080P 24/720 60.

Wonder what will happen if someone removes their 3 D glasses in a movie theater and ends up having a sizzure from the motion artifacting.

I saw a top of the line 3D demo last month with state of the art equipment and left uninpressed. 100K setup. Maybe in 2-3 years it will be popular, but in 2-3 years we will be looking a completely different technolgy that will deliver 3 D viewing differently

Its coming I agree, is it ready for prime time a big NO. Maybe 2-3 years from now, yes.

It's main in roads will be in video games / 42-60 inch LCDs combinations.

3d in projectors will start in the 30K range and will be available for 8' and under screens.

No way am I going to pay a 20K+ upcharge for a projector and another 10 K for some proprietary software package to run the 10, or 20 3D movies that may be worth seeing in the next 2-3 years.

I agree with Art. Its nose is under the tent but I want to see waht the animal becomes before I jump in.

Jim

I discussed with Jim Peterson at Lumagen. It would be interesting to see if the XE Radiance set to 1080p24hz on the output would exhibit the same problems. It utilizes an improved 1.3 HDMI circuit.There may be an advantage to implementing a built in cat 5/6 output for a processor. Convert back to HDMI or DVI just before the projector.
I am going to try the XE with a Titan Reference HD 3D next month
DPI's implementation of their DVI input is pretty poor at best. I imagine the upgrade in the new projector will be associated with that circuit.The DPI projectors are state of the art otherwise. I want one!
Jim doe feels the 60hz option works best overall with the Lumagen. Judder in pans in the only advantage to 24p. If that is not distracting 60hz works better. Interestingly as Jim noted the longer time between frames makes any errors more obvious with 24p.
It makes me realize just how much is going on on a combination of equipment like this.Amazing it works as well as it does.