Titan 1080P 3D Dual Ultra Thread - Page 9

Put a light on it behind the screen so when they walk in the room you get the ooohhss...

We are doing just that, exactly how? it will be researched, although it is shown in the preliminary drawing LED's or Fiberoptic is not bright enough some halogen spotlights probably:



I had the same quandary in designing this room, I wanted to use the new confidences on the sides, at one point maybe using my forever beloved Torus, then I went to see Avatar in Imax for the second time and as I sat there it dawned on me that the above is what was needed and just went for it.

I had thought about that, I know Art had done somehting similar in his theater- I think it's still setup that way so he can show off the Catalysts.

My other option was to do something like this:




Dan

The screen is too small... For 3-D you need a big ass screen.

This room is not 3d, and we've already demo'ed 3d on the original screen; 123 was plenty for the native 1.78 content.

When the day comes that 3d is ready for primetime (read: scaling available for the framerate necessary) and the image doesn't suffer from horrible tearing and motion artifacts (it does now)- then we'll add a second Titan Reference and go to town.

Right now, I feel that it's too early to espouse a technology that isn't fully realized (as in we don't know which of the 5 different versions of 3d the majority of manufacturers will use.) Plus until Lumagen has a 3D scaler- we won't think of showing 3D because the sacrifice in quality is just too big.

Dan

Yadayadayada.... in one ear out the other....

be glib about it if you like, but there's no denying the fact that at this point, there is no scaler capable of processing 120 fps 3D frame-rates, and no real way to ensure that if you used 2 scalers that the frames would remain synced to shutter glasses- which forces the use of polarized glasses and all its complications/compromizes.

The difference between unprocessed and processed Blu-Ray is not small when its done well- and there's no DCI content coming for consumers.

Dan

I would love to have some 3D 1080p gaming going on at my apartment. Next time I find myself with a spare few thousand dollars.

like the thread says- it depends on the STB from cablevision. hopefully whatever it is, it will be compatible with your dual-link DVI input on your former projector.

Dan

Ah, the world of 3D uncertainty...welcome.

you would think that you could easily go HDMI->DVI in your case, but the question really is what format will MSG broadcast in? I wonder who underwrites the expenses- that would give us a clue as to what the format may be. I wonder what the bandwidth of 720P@120 vs 1080P@60 is?

who knows- maybe you should call someone at the network or...wait, you're in Brookville- talk to your neighbor that owns MSG and get them to have their engineer call you

Dan

Hi lon,
The format Most Likely will be 720p over under or side by side.

You would need a format converter like the Doremi dimension 3-D to go from that to 1080p dual stream, and a single hdmi to dual dvi 3-D adapter (or two hdsdi to dvi converters (the dimension puts out dual stream 1080p over hdsdi). I think RealD has a hdmi to dual dvi converter too. There will be more of these converters announced at NAB.

cheers,

What dose DPI say.. surley they have a solution for this after all it is there projector I would think that they would have thought of this in development of this projector right ?

It will depend on the output of the STB but the solution might be just as simple as an HDMI to single link DVI cable...

If the Titan takes a single Link DVI signal stereo, then we know this box will work. I thought dual link was mandatory.

I beleive you are right about needing the dual link peter... but that wouldn't be a design flaw

In any event take the hd-sdi outs out of the dimension converter and use 2 of these and you are set.

Let me tell you, no one, no one knows more about 3-D signal connectivity than the top technical guy at do-re-mi. Unfortunately there is only one of him and he is very high in the pay grade but the guy is a genius.

No broadcast 3-D will be full 1080p except close circuit to the movie theaters.

There will be either over under 720p or side by side 720p. That is a given.

I too have become greatly concerned about this. I got a call today that my Titan Ref 3D will ship first of next week. I specially asked them to send me something in writing concerning the compatibly of the DVI inputs on the Titan to the Blu-Ray HDMI 1.4 spec and how Directv will deliver 3D content.

Pulled this info from Titan 3D manual
Input formats, DVI input 8 Single DVI-D
Sources upto 1920x1080 resolution;24- 60Hz; 8bits per colour. (Use MAIN input only)
Dual DVI-D
An input with increased frame rate.
Sources upto 1920x1080 resolution; 24-120Hz; 8bits per colour. (Use MAIN input only)
Twin Link (Twin Single DVI-D)
One input with increased bit depth, using both input connections:
Sources up to 1920x1080 resolution; 24-60Hz; 10 or 12bits per colour. (Use MAIN and SUB inputs)
Dual Twin (Dual Twin DVI-D)
One input with increased bit depth, and increased frame rate, using both input connections.
Sources up to 1920x1080 resolution; 24-120Hz; 10 or 12bits per colour. (Use MAIN and SUB inputs)

Lon. You are dealing with a top notch manufacturer and my guess is that they do not know exactly what they or you should do. Rest assured they will not abandon you and as more is known about the 3D sources and their outputs they will be able to furnish you all the information you need. Boxes are available, its just identifying for sure what you will need. I wouldn`t worry right now.

I spoke to DPI today, and they have about as much info as i do pertaining to what and how things will work.

Reading up on all the different 3D glasses, this DLP LINK technology seems like the way to go. No IR emitters or Bluetooth.

Does that technology work with all DLP projectors or specifically the DPI Titans?

Any idea on what glasses would be the best option. DPI said Nvidia, RealD or Xpand. So that didnt really narrow it down much.

Also im thinking that the Titan should work without any adapters for the 3D coming down the pipeline from Directv. If i understand it correctly it is sent out at 60Hz. And according to the Titan info, its suppose to take that and do whatever processing necessary. So only a converter for HDMI to Dual-Link DVI would be necessarily for Bluray?? Or am i missing something.

Why can't it ever be easy.