Simple Question: Plasma vs LCD - Page 2  

Same sh!t, same people, different day!

I'm not surprised you've met "my type" on these boards. Afterall, this IS the Audio Video SCIENCE Forum. We do take note of unbiased scientific reports, studies and papers by professionals that do this sort of thing for a living. Facts are tough things to get around, especially for those people intent on spreading FUD, urban myths and total misinformation for some silly reason/agenda.

Oh yeah, "your type" also tends to attempt to gain importance by referring to themselves as "we" to try to impress people that they speak for numbers greater than themselves.

Audio and video are by nature subjective. The most variable instrument used to evaluate these is the human being. No degree of mechanical measurement will determine what is pleasing to the eye and ear of each individual.

If you think that plasma sets are the end all, I am pleased for you. I do think that, like technologies of the past, plasma is reaching the end of it's lifespan in consumer products. This eventually happens to all technologies regardless of how good or bad they may be. Time marches on.

Best of luck with your display and any future displays you may own. I hope they last forever; deliver perfect lifelike images; and don't produce vast amounts of heat, vapor trails, or exhibit ir or burn-in.

I will continue to explore different options as they become available in the marketplace and likely purchase what appeals to me. I think there is room in the world for that to occur.

Spreading FUD and misinformation seems to be your forte. Keep up the good work. But know that people aren't the dupes you thought they were. There has been professional and scientific studies on your urban myths & false info, and you have been proved wrong. "I" not "we" (since you're anxious to psycho-analyze) have been reading these Chicken Little stories regarding plasma video tech's early demise for years, and again & again are proved wrong. All video tech will come to an end at some point in time, but you'd better put some more polish on that crystal ball as your predictions are just another piece of FUD and misinformation.

Aydu so you're saying that "cleaner electricity" ? will affect the outcome of BI or TIR? lets just stop there.



You're right cajieboy and the problem is for those new into display technology will get affected.

i've always said it give me actual proof of a modern plasma screen affected by Burn in.

did you buy something flyboy? i'm curious if you did as im looking for my first hdtv, and will also be replacing my 36" Sony tube.

Do not display a still picture for a long time
This causes the image to remain on the plasma screen
(“Image retention”). This is not considered a malfunction and
is not covered by the warranty.
4 : 3 12 To prevent “Image retention”,
the screen saver is
automatically activated after
a few minutes if no signals
are sent or no operations are
performed. (p. 45)
Typical still images ■ Set up • Channel number and other logos • Image displayed in 4:3 mode • SD Card photo

So covering their ass in the manual is enough 'proof' for you? Stupid logic there. Not arguing about anything else, just pointing out bad reasoning skills.

Yeah, and people swallow D cell batteries all the time, too by your logic.

This is in the latest Samsung LCD 750 series Manual:

"Precautions When Displaying a Still Image
A still image may cause permanent damage to the TV screen
Do not display a still image on the LCD panel for more than 2 hours as it can cause screen image retention. This image
retention is also known as screen burn. To avoid such image retention, reduce the degree of brightness and contrast of the
screen when displaying a still image.
Watching the LCD TV in 4:3 format for a long period of time may leave traces of borders displayed on the
left, right and center of the screen caused by the difference of light emission on the screen. Playing a DVD or
a game console may cause a similar effect to the screen. Damages caused by the above effect are not
covered by the Warranty.
Displaying still images from Video games and PC for longer than a certain period of time may produce partial after-images. To
prevent this effect, reduce the ‘brightness’ and ‘contrast’ when displaying still images."

Ir or burn in is just not a consideration when choosing a flat panel. Move on and good luck looking for next myth/urban legend to try to rip plasmas.

There is no such wanring on any Sony LCD. I suspect it is possible to burn an image in the glossy screen or something. LCD dont burn baby.

According to Aydu's logic they do.

I'm not trying denigrate the quality of Samsung, just making a point and this was the very first LCD manual I looked at.

Again the sony manuals do not provide such warning. And to further enhance LCD inability to burn in. Of all the PC monitor LCD I have had at home work freinds etc(and its more than I can count) I have ne ver ever seen a warning about burning in a screen.

LCD cannot be burned in. Samsung does indeed have that warning. I had an a650 for 3 weeks. I returned it because I hated the set. I can only assume it is something with the glossy screen that can get image burned in the tint.

i'll give you a claping hand for reading the manual,did you know lcd also states the same? regardless if its liabilty issues or a real issue, BOTH LCD AND PLASMA say this in the manual.

Do what I do, large LCD monitor for computer and plasma for everything else. No complaining now this is completely fair.

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so you're saying that if i actually waste my time reading a manual i wont find any warnings in regards to lcd and IR/Burn in?
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No, I was saying you will find it in an LCD manual and I was trying prove a point that it is in both lcd and plasma manuals and not definitive proof that plasmas are highly susceptible to burn in/ir.

The correction here is that you find it in samsung LCD. Not all LCD.

I am very happy with my LCD and after burning 2 plasma and watching my parents burn thiers. Ill take LCD over Plasma every time.

I WAS MAKING A POINT THE BECAUSE IT REFERENCED IN A MANUAL DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN HAPPEN OR WILL HAPPEN.

I'm very happy that you have found your hdtv nirvana but I find your claims of three plasmas with burn in less than credible. Sounds like yet even more fanboy hyperbole.

I burned a 42 panny plasma in 02 5000 dollars( I knew it was possible I was very careful). Then in 05 I purchased a pioneer elite that was according to the great gods here and the wizards of marketing highly resistant to burn in. 7000 dollars. I was extremely careful. I didnt burn it. I did get lots and lots and lots of IR. My friend has the set now, He burned it.

Against my better judgement I told my parents to buy a pioneer plasma in 06 because of all the plasma "experts" here who said no way it could be burned now. again even newer and yet again unburnable. They burned it.



Maybe todays arent burnable. Im not saying they are. Im saying no Fing way Im taking a chance again. I love to game. I love to pause my set for 30 min while I put the kids to bed and come back when I do.

I love watching a full day of 4:3 tv channel if I need to and not caring.

Im sure you do to...For me if I had a plasma Id do nothing but worry due to my experience. On the other hand LCD isnt nearly so inferior as plasma fanboyz want others to think.

Again, I'm happy for you, Sony makes a fine product. I never said that lcd was inferior. All I'm trying to say is that is that burn in/ir is not an issue anymore, certainly to the extent that it is made out to be and the people that keep saying this clearly have a agenda. Have a nice evening.

More LCD is wonderful, plasma is the devil crap. Boo Hoo, mike burned his ancient plasma, this isn't 2002, or 2006, technology marches on for most but not all of us. OK we get it, you like LCD, fine. But why go posting in every thread about how your old plasma burned in, we have no idea how you treated it, it crosses some peoples minds that you are the cause of the problem not the technology.

IR exists, we all know that. Some sets have less of a problem with it than others. My Panny X1 has never displayed ANY trace of IR and my dad watches mostly 4:3. But of course it's not in torch mode. I like the image on my LCD, if I'm sitting square on the screen, move and you might as well be watching a misaligned tube set. If that problem was resolved like IR and burn in has been resolved with plasma then I would have no issue with LCD, but as it stands LCDs are a second rate display.

You assume to much.

If some one is being careful and they say they burned in two plasmas they are obviously mentally challenged or a liar.




And they were pointing out flaws in logic not saying that LCDs get burn-in.

Thank you!

hold up,
you supposedly got burn-in on two straight Plasmas, then you recommend that your parents buy one???
Oh, and that plasma they "burned" just happened to be a Pioneer?

Is this the same 2yr old 46 inch Pioneer plasma that you claimed got burn-in on another thread? I think I remember this because it was pointed out to you that there is no 2 year old 46 inch availible by Pioneer. Then you changed your story about the model and said it was older than 2 years.

also,
Above you stated that you got burn-in on your Pioneer Elite, yet here In this thread you state "I then watched my Pioneer elite which did not burn in".
Which is it?

I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but This seems a little strange. No offense.

kagolu I know bro but i was refering to serailmike as he seems to be the fanboy/liar.


How many times have i said MODERN plasma technology not old? 2007 and newer was the time when they really changed

Mike i can prove to you by pausing my Pioneer Elite pro-111 (5k) plasma at the time (2008) using static image and it WONt have even TIR (temporarly image retention). and lcd is POS its inferior its unrealistic it has so many flaws to begin with that it was not meant to be a tv but just a simple moniter to show graph and slides as that is what its best at.


This is intresting chad.

You're working way to hard making an issue out of essentiually a non issue any more.

Well, well, well...the truth finally shines through! Somebody's pants are on fire. Why am I not surprised??

Sorry there was some loss of concentration as my little one was crying at the time I wrote the post. It has been corrected.

I dont care how many generations you say. Thats the years the sets were bought and they were current line models.

Again I am not saying that current plasma burn. They probably dont. I am saying plasma lost me and I am 100 percent sure many many many others because they beta tested the technology on users to get the burn out. And that made thousands of dollars for each customer into piles of ****.

What I am saying is in this same thread you say plasma is soooooo awesome. YOu guys on these forums act like it has no flaws. It does. You also act as though LCD sucks. It doesnt. It has flaws none NONE of them nearly as bad as what you guys claim.

Wow, you and yours are a rough crowd; or extremely unlucky. I have had my plasma since 2006 and have had no trouble at all with it in regards to burn in (or anything else for that matter). And that is with grandchildren and a wife who is clueless about modern technology vs. old tech. My set is normally on 4-8 hours a day, with a fairly high percentage of it being on cable news, history channel, science channel, sports channels, etc. The rest of the viewing is my wife watching her cable channels; lifetime, bravo, etc. Many of those channels have logos and even then, I have seen no burn-in.

What did you and yours have the tv set to, as far as brightness, contrast, etc.?

Glad to hear you have found something you can live with. As for me, I have both and like both.

Mike