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post #1141 of 18432
I too am looking forward to Jeffs Triple 12 HTs !!!

I have 3 ordered for my dedicated theater room, I also have 2 of Tom Danleys DTS10 Super Spud kits ordered that will be here next week.
I'll be running the T12s with an Emotiva XPA3 and the Danleys with a Face Audio F1200TS

I'm redoing the front of my HT which now has a Carada 110" BW fixed screen, the stage will be the Danleys and I'm building a screen wall and will probably be going with a Seymour AT screen to place the JTRs behind.

I've been running the Onix Strata minis for the front stage with no center and a pair of Emotiva ERD1s which I'll replace with a pair of Jeffs Single 8s (once I recover a bit from the $7200 I just spent on speakers)

I'll be posting pics of my changeover in the next several days.
post #1142 of 18432
Wow Steve, that's going to be an amazing setup. I'm excited to see how it turns out!
post #1143 of 18432
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Originally Posted by Leffe67 View Post

Wow Steve, that's going to be an amazing setup. I'm excited to see how it turns out!

I think he might be trying to give RMK a run for his money
post #1144 of 18432
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Originally Posted by Kemet View Post

Nice, I hope you find both an increase in sound quality and dynamics with the JTR. Are you getting 3 triple 12's for the front LCR?

If you have your equipment rack sound isolated from your listening area as orcarola25 posted you can go with pro-amps.

I am not completely sold on Class D amp performance at higher frequencies, but have no problem using them with subwoofers. With that budget for amps I would get 3 Emotiva XPA-1 for the front speakers and use the receiver for the surrounds.

If you are worried about sound isolation from the amps on the pro side (because some can get a little loud) there are fan mods in the DIY section that work well. Emotiva also is supposedly a great buy as well. There have been quite a few members running there JTR's with emotiva amps w/no issues.
post #1145 of 18432
I got sucked into upgrading again. I always wanted the T12s but couldn't afford them at their regular price so I ended up ordering T8's and a Q8 center. Not but a month later here come the new T12s at a preorder price I couldn't refuse. Decided to get 3 for the front.
I will be working on building a Seymour AV screen to set my T12 center. I have a nook that is approx. 15" deep that I was going set the T12 in and build the screen in front of it.
The only issue with this little setup is that I too am an aspiring DTS-10 owner and that beast would take up much of the nook with no room for the center placement behind the screen.
What would be more important??? Voicing from behind the AT screen or mind boggling bass.
Attached is a pic. of my current setup. It is a definite work in progress.

By the way, if anyone is interested I have my front stage on sale right now on audiogon!!! I need to regenerate some of the funds I emptied from my bank account.
LL
post #1146 of 18432
RMK has some serious woofage - but those DTS10's will wallop captivators/growlers.
post #1147 of 18432
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Originally Posted by DaveUpton View Post

RMK has some serious woofage - but those DTS10's will wallop captivators/growlers.

I am not totally sold on that honestly. Everyone likes the sound of them and they have a ton of output but spl graphs ricci did and the natural upper end gain that msot people will eq flat, make be wonder how much real world superiority they will show to good subs like the caps in most rooms.

If the strongest point of the sub is EQ'ed out and most people never need the last few spl then there really might be very little real world difference if the Caps sound as clean as people claim.
post #1148 of 18432
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Originally Posted by DaveUpton View Post

RMK has some serious woofage - but those DTS10's will wallop captivators/growlers.

There is a point of diminishing returns . I hope to hear the DTS-10's soon but I have a pair of the Danley TH-SPUDS (8"driver vs. 12"s in the DTS-10) under my riser and like them for tactile bass. I think the Captivators sound better and they are much easier to place in-room. In fact, when playing music I shut the Danleys down and run just the Caps.

Regarding your quote above, if what Jeff tells me about the new Growlers comes to pass, a pair of those plus 2 Captivators would be an incredible quad combo.
post #1149 of 18432
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

There is a point of diminishing returns . I hope to hear the DTS-10's soon but I have a pair of the Danley TH-SPUDS (8"driver vs. 12"s in the DTS-10) under my riser and like them for tactile bass. I think the Captivators sound better and they are much easier to place in-room. In fact, when playing music I shut the Danleys down and run just the Caps.

Regarding your quote above, if what Jeff tells me about the new Growlers comes to pass, a pair of those plus 2 Captivators would be an incredible quad combo.

RMK,
I hope you will be able to give some impressions of the DTS-10 compared to the Captivators soon (i.e. by the end of January). That is supposedly how long I have until the DIY kit will be available. I am not going to be able to afford a finished one. The question for me is that since a single DTS-10 is around the same price point (maybe a little steeper) as the Captivator would you need two to match the output and headroom given by that single DTS-10.
How are your Captivators for midbass?
post #1150 of 18432
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Originally Posted by orcarola25 View Post

RMK,
I hope you will be able to give some impressions of the DTS-10 compared to the Captivators soon (i.e. by the end of January). That is supposedly how long I have until the DIY kit will be available. I am not going to be able to afford a finished one. The question for me is that since a single DTS-10 is around the same price point (maybe a little steeper) as the Captivator would you need two to match the output and headroom given by that single DTS-10.
How are your Captivators for midbass?

You have a cap or have you just heard one?
post #1151 of 18432
I have nothing against the caps, just going from MKTheater's experience with the dual DTS10's comparing to his massive DIY solution - that's an awful lot of output from two subs.

I would never be able to accommodate the DTS10 in my room personally, but it's sure got a lot of output. My first pick for a HT sub would actually be a submersive.
post #1152 of 18432
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Originally Posted by orcarola25 View Post

RMK,
I hope you will be able to give some impressions of the DTS-10 compared to the Captivators soon (i.e. by the end of January). That is supposedly how long I have until the DIY kit will be available. I am not going to be able to afford a finished one. The question for me is that since a single DTS-10 is around the same price point (maybe a little steeper) as the Captivator would you need two to match the output and headroom given by that single DTS-10.
How are your Captivators for midbass?

Output is very nice to have but placement is a big factor in FR. The large form factor of the DTS 10 is very limiting in most rooms.

Since I have the cross over set to 60Hz the Triple 12's have midbass duty and they do it well .


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Originally Posted by DaveUpton View Post

I have nothing against the caps, just going from MKTheater's experience with the dual DTS10's comparing to his massive DIY solution - that's an awful lot of output from two subs.

I would never be able to accommodate the DTS10 in my room personally, but it's sure got a lot of output. My first pick for a HT sub would actually be a submersive.

Agree on all points and I really like the Submersive. Had two on order when I changed my mind and went with the Caps. Bottom line is I would much rather have dual Captivators than a single Submersive given the similar cost. I believe the Captivator is very close to the Submersive in SQ and overall performance in the 17-80Hz region.
post #1153 of 18432
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Originally Posted by Kemet View Post

Nice, I hope you find both an increase in sound quality and dynamics with the JTR. Are you getting 3 triple 12's for the front LCR?

If you have your equipment rack sound isolated from your listening area as orcarola25 posted you can go with pro-amps.

I am not completely sold on Class D amp performance at higher frequencies, but have no problem using them with subwoofers. With that budget for amps I would get 3 Emotiva XPA-1 for the front speakers and use the receiver for the surrounds.

Since I have never heard the JTR speakers first hand I decided to go with just one triple 12 speaker before investing in a entire new system. My gut feeling tells me that within a few short trials of listening to the triple 12 I will be in touch with Jeff ordering a complete system.

Thanks for your helpful insight on the Emotiva amplifier and I'm definetly looking into buying 3 of them for the fronts and as you say allow the reciever to power the surrounds. The D-sonic amplifier that I mentioned before is a class D amp? Is there an amplifier out there that you would recommend for a subwoofer?
post #1154 of 18432
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Agree on all points and I really like the Submersive. Had two on order when I changed my mind and went with the Caps. Bottom line is I would much rather have dual Captivators than a single Submersive given the similar cost. I believe the Captivator is very close to the Submersive in SQ and overall performance in the 17-80Hz region.

I agree completely - my only reason to choose the Submersive over the Captivator is the slight boost between 10-20Hz it offers. That said - I totally understand your choice - if more people on these forums had heard Jeff's subs they would have an equally rabid following.

I'm going to be moving next year - so i'll finally have a larger dedicated space I can use. At that point I'll be going for Quintuple LCR's, triple rears and whichever subwoofer(s) happen to strike my fancy at that point in time.
post #1155 of 18432
I just received the SonoColumn bass traps from Auralex. I think they make for a nice finished look for the S8's Surrounds.

post #1156 of 18432
Regarding subs, I was undecided between two dts 10's and two captivators, what it came down too was placement. Thats why I choose the caps. The Danleys were not too big for me but definately for the room and placement was going to be limited. Its all about the placement.

Speakers...yeah, I had too do it, I have 2010 T12's on the way.

Power and processing is still beig considered not sure which way to go. Any Ideas?

Small room about 2000cuft......Seating anywhere between 9-15'
post #1157 of 18432
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Originally Posted by orcarola25 View Post

I will be working on building a Seymour AV screen to set my T12 center. I have a nook that is approx. 15" deep that I was going set the T12 in and build the screen in front of it.
The only issue with this little setup is that I too am an aspiring DTS-10 owner and that beast would take up much of the nook with no room for the center placement behind the screen.
What would be more important??? Voicing from behind the AT screen or mind boggling bass.

I think you already know the answer, it would definately be more important to put the T12 center vertically behind the Seymour AV screen as nothing beats voicing coming from the screen.

Also no guarantees that the DTS-10 best place would be in that nook. With a captivator or submersive sub you would have more placement flexibility which would more than make up any performance loss.
post #1158 of 18432
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Originally Posted by noam325 View Post

The D-sonic amplifier that I mentioned before is a class D amp? Is there an amplifier out there that you would recommend for a subwoofer?

Yes the D-sonic is a Class D amp, also most self-powered subwoofers use Class D as it gives alot of efficient wattage without needing to worry about filtering of high frequencies. Your DT Supercube I is self-powered according to the web-site uses "1500 Watt Class D amplifier driving a 10 inch woofer pressure coupled to two 10 inch Ultra Low Bass radiators".

If you are getting a passive subwoofer like a captivator then fan-modding a Behringer EP2500 would be an inexpensive option.
post #1159 of 18432
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Originally Posted by bodhisafa View Post

Regarding subs, I was undecided between two dts 10's and two captivators, what it came down too was placement. Thats why I choose the caps. The Danleys were not too big for me but definately for the room and placement was going to be limited. Its all about the placement.

Speakers...yeah, I had too do it, I have 2010 T12's on the way.

Power and processing is still beig considered not sure which way to go. Any Ideas?

Small room about 2000cuft......Seating anywhere between 9-15'

I like the Integra/Onkyo AVR's/Processors due to Audyssey EQ and DSX. I'm a fan of the cool running high current class D amps. The older Sunfire amps can be had used for a good price and will drive the JTR's very nicely. I just installed 9 channels worth of Wyred for Sound, B&O Ice based units to drive my JTR's and I like them a lot. The D-Sonic is essentially the same product at a lower price.
post #1160 of 18432
Wow, looks terrific!!!!!!!
At the rate you are going, we might not recognize it at the next GTG.......


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post #1161 of 18432
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Originally Posted by noam325 View Post

Since I have never heard the JTR speakers first hand I decided to go with just one triple 12 speaker before investing in a entire new system. My gut feeling tells me that within a few short trials of listening to the triple 12 I will be in touch with Jeff ordering a complete system.

Thanks for your helpful insight on the Emotiva amplifier and I'm definetly looking into buying 3 of them for the fronts and as you say allow the reciever to power the surrounds. The D-sonic amplifier that I mentioned before is a class D amp? Is there an amplifier out there that you would recommend for a subwoofer?

please post your thoughts when you get them oops IT
BTW i have 5 pro amps running 10 feet from me all with aftermarket fans from digikey all 5 took the same fan so i bought in bulk you can not hear the fans with the projector on and you have to listen for them in the room with nothing on . not a problem . what speakers do you have now?
post #1162 of 18432
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Originally Posted by WilsonL View Post

Wow, looks terrific!!!!!!!
At the rate you are going, we might not recognize it at the next GTG.......

Thanks Wilson, I needed some positive re-enforcement . I was sure the SO would like the look of SonoColumns and when she got home today she just rolled her eyes. Not sure how to take that but you can't please everybody. Me, I like the look and they work great as broadband absorbers for the back wall. Form and function what's not to like?
post #1163 of 18432
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Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post

I am not totally sold on that honestly. Everyone likes the sound of them and they have a ton of output but spl graphs ricci did and the natural upper end gain that msot people will eq flat, make be wonder how much real world superiority they will show to good subs like the caps in most rooms.

If the strongest point of the sub is EQ'ed out and most people never need the last few spl then there really might be very little real world difference if the Caps sound as clean as people claim.

SQ is subjective so you may swing either way.

I think its about the impact of a sub. I remember reading a thread where people mentioned that the Danley TH-50 registered the same on the SPL meter as many other subs but the impact was much more. I don't think they have quantified this feeling yet but I 100% believe them because I have experienced it myself, not with the Danleys but other subs I have heard and the difference is nothing short of epic. Some subs have that extra punch, I think I read somewhere that it might be due to distortion or higher up frequencies playing into the sound. Jeff would know far better, perhaps he will chime in.

As far as output goes, if you will never use more than 115db or 120db, you would not be fully utilizing the DTS-10 or any other sub capable of more however people often mention that the overall wear and tear on the driver is less and there is less distortion when they are used well within their specifications. If you don't need the output then there would be no point in any extra expenses.

The Cap is an excellent sub for the price given that the DTS-10s kit price is promotional and is not the subs actual value rather the subs real value is far higher. I would personally choose the DTS-10 as it suits my personal tastes. I would also probably be more likely to buy a Growler than a Cap.
post #1164 of 18432
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I just received the SonoColumn bass traps from Auralex. I think they make for a nice finished look for the S8's Surrounds.


RMK that gives me a feel of Aztec Pyramid meets Manhattan
post #1165 of 18432
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Originally Posted by Decadent_Spectre View Post

RMK that gives me a feel of Aztec Pyramid meets Manhattan

That's just the look I was going for ...
post #1166 of 18432
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Regarding your quote above, if what Jeff tells me about the new Growlers comes to pass, a pair of those plus 2 Captivators would be an incredible quad combo.

How do you go about running them together with proper crossover? Sounds very interesting.
post #1167 of 18432
Are current or future T12 owners planning on setting their LR directly on the floor with the coaxial on top.

Would there be any benefits to center mounting the coax and building a stand to get them off of the floor. I am not sure if the floor (wood or carpet) would effect the dispersion pattern of the bottom sub.

RMK,
Have you tried to set your T12s off of the ground to see if it would sound any different?
post #1168 of 18432
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That's just the look I was going for ...

Add some spikes to the wall and some water pipes to the S8s throwing water and you have a 500 year old trap going off in your home

Maybe if the SO likes it you could try adding some plants, lol.
post #1169 of 18432
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Originally Posted by wes k View Post

How do you go about running them together with proper crossover? Sounds very interesting.

I guess you run them from an external crossover like the Behringer DCX.
post #1170 of 18432
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Originally Posted by orcarola25 View Post

Are current or future T12 owners planning on setting their LR directly on the floor with the coaxial on top.

Would there be any benefits to center mounting the coax and building a stand to get them off of the floor. I am not sure if the floor (wood or carpet) would effect the dispersion pattern of the bottom sub.

RMK,
Have you tried to set your T12s off of the ground to see if it would sound any different?

No I haven't. My projector screen drops to the top of the LCR's and it is still a little higher than I would like. Sound wise I'm pretty happy with them where they are .

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Originally Posted by wes k View Post

How do you go about running them together with proper crossover? Sounds very interesting.

A Caps/Growlers combo would nesessitate different crossovers. As D_S mentioned the Behringer or the QSC DSP30 could be used.
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