Originally Posted by jbrown15
Keep in mind when HyperM3 said he was a little disappointed with the 228HT's for music he wasn't running his Subm HP sub with them at that time, so even if he was using the 212HT's I'm sure he would of been a little disappointed. The 212HT's still wouldn't sound awesome run full range without a sub. I'm sure they'd still sound good but definitely sound like they were lacking in the low end.
He did say he had the SubM.
I wonder if the HSU's are better sounding than the SubM for music. I am talking about the HSU ULS 15s. They are definitely the best sounding subs i have ever owned, although they can't keep up with the 212s for movies, with a 10db up on the receiver and 10db down for the noesis, they match perfect for music. With my 212s and ULS combo, I think it's hard to beat, even with $100K speakers. I have had a chance to audition a RM750K (translated to USD$250K) speaker system and I still preferred my Noesis / ULS combo.
Again, I must say this again, the HSU's are great for music, but they don't deliver enough punch for movies. Still pretty darn good, just not enough volumes. I guess no subs can considering my expectations for subs must rival what I hear from the Imax and thus maybe multiples.
Originally Posted by jbrown15
So you basically confirmed to me what I thought about my 228HT's the first time I hooked mine up and then had a good 20hrs on them. The sound of them definitely changed and started to sound fuller. I know a few other members have said they don't believe in speaker "break in" and honestly I never really did either, but after some mileage on my I guess the 8" woofers loosened up a little because they really did sound a lot different to me.
And it wasn't me getting use to the sound, because I personally don't think getting use to the sound of a CD speaker begins to sound fuller from just getting use to the sound.
I agree with you a 110%, I have now compared these speakers with some pretty high end brands. Some costs about 2.5x the price of mine and I still prefer my 228HT's for movie use.
This is true even for the 212s. After the first few weeks, my 212s just got so much better and smoother...
Originally Posted by jlpowell84
How would you experienced ones respond to this question. It came up on another forum and certainly I know you all are believers in JTR's so I know your answer may be biased and that's certainly ok. So in talking about high quality speakers on another thread in witch Triad speakers are popular, one guy mentioned why do you think all HiFi don't have compression drivers/horn combo if it's the best SQ out there. Of course Triad uses soft dome tweeters in which he believed is the best. Certainly I'm not making a case for either, just looking for friendly responses since I know many of you have A LOT of knowledge and experience with lots of speakers. It came up when I mentioned what I am doing with my system, my recent additions and then my future plans for 212 Noesis LPs.
I have listened to tons of domes vs cds, and with the exception of the Noesis' CD, almost every dome sounds better than any other CDs in general.
So, i guess for MOST commercial speakers that have to retail for a certain price range, such an expensive CD like the one used in the Noesis is just not feasible.
I guess it's down to price. Most commercial speakers for the home are pretty cheap (compared to the $5000/pair of noesis plus you'll have to add a $2000 sub).
Let's do some basic calculations:
Most commercial home speakers retail for less than $3000/pair (anything more and we're looking at very niche market). And they have to be full range. Meaning, if you build a full range speaker (requiring that it goes down to 30-40hz at least), this would automatically suck out all the juice from your 'home receivers', which means
a) They can't play at reference ANYWAYS...
b) Which means a dome tweeter works just fine at those levels.
c) Domes that are relatively cheap still sounds pretty good.
So, no point putting in a $700 dollar CD since it'll not give you much advantage at those lower volumes (volumes / efficiency limited by the full range they had to build their speakers on)
Now, a bit to the commercial pricing. For a $2000 pair of speaker, they have to build a nice wooden cabinet, shipping, middle men, etc, which puts the cost of the entire thing at maybe $200-$400 max. With that amount of money, you'll need several drivers, crossovers, cabinets, etc. How much do you think each of those would cost? They can probably pay for a $30-$50 tweeter at best. Heard any CD that sounds great at that price range?
BTW: I might be wrong, so if anyone knows of cheap CDs that sounds as good as the one in the Noesis, please let me know. I might be interested in building some speakers with them for my other rooms and families...
ps: Before you say, why don't the MORE expensive Hi-Fi speakers use CDs, they still have the limitation of 'volume' if they want to build it full range passive. Plus, a Dome / Ribbon 'looks' cooler on their very expensive cabinets... Until someone comes up with a Swarovski Crystal Horn, it's not going anywhere near Hi-Fi speakers... If you're gonna sell snake oil at $50K to people with money to spare, you better make it look 'expensive'... and Horns just look 'cheap'... Edited by coolgeek - 10/14/13 at 7:42pm