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post #11701 of 18755
Archaea

Good Morning man,
I agree with what you are saying and yes Carp does change his mind from time to time,smile.gif What I am trying to point out is we are mostly always discussing the commonalities of the 2 speakers and do not touch on the differences enough. These discussions can leave the viewers at home with the impression of why buy the 212 when the 228 does almost the same thing and costs less. I have read some people call this a No-brainer decision.
The only goal I have, other than personal knowledge, is so the ones interested purchasing JTR products know as much as they can so they will make an educated decision that creates a realistic expectation in the purchase. Most just do not have the ability to demo before purchasing and strictly rely on research to make a blind faith purchase. It would be nice to have the Pros and Cons on all JTR products to help this decision along.
Another aspect is that as Audio formats and recordings become so much better and more clear the future has to be more revealing then it is now. Look at the differences between a SACD vs CD. Apply that to the future of what movies will sound like vs today.

I am a JTR Fanboy thru and thru so Please don't think I am trying to be negative in anyway I Want as much Information as I can get good and bad. Knowledge is all some of us can get vs demos so it is more important to some then others.

This is my bias opinion I am sure we will disagree on but I believe my 2012 Triple 12 will outperform the 228 easily for my needs and personally I am only interested in the 212s.eek.gifbiggrin.gifsmile.gif

You'all enjoy your GTG today. What the KC gang does for JTR and us forum readers is truly Special. I want to Thank You for the time and effort you'all put into this and all the detailed writings, reviews, and hard work that you take the time to share with us.

Thanks Archaea and Carp.
You MFs Rock. smile.gif

Chris
Edited by countryWV - 10/19/13 at 7:29am
post #11702 of 18755
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Thanks for this post Archaea, I will have to bookmark it. I have the T12 for L/R and the T8 for center. Because of my room configuration, I would have to go 212 L/R and 228 center if/when I upgrade. i always wondered about the 212 and 228 configuration for HT use since HT is 99% of how I use my system. I rarely sit down and just listen to music.

Frolich... if you listen to concerts in 5.1 or 7.1, etc, might as well get the 212 as center as well.. the increased clarity means that much better for 'songs and voices' that comes out of the center...
post #11703 of 18755
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Frolich... if you listen to concerts in 5.1 or 7.1, etc, might as well get the 212 as center as well.. the increased clarity means that much better for 'songs and voices' that comes out of the center...
I specifically asked Jeff the question about using the 228 as a center with 212's as the LR and he recommended keeping all 3 the same due to the fundamental differences.
post #11704 of 18755
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Originally Posted by dlbeck View Post

I specifically asked Jeff the question about using the 228 as a center with 212's as the LR and he recommended keeping all 3 the same due to the fundamental differences.

I believe him... after listening to the 212s.. i would not want to replace it with anything less just to save a few hundred bucks... it is soooo damn addictive like someone here keep saying.. hahaha.. we all know who he is... tongue.gif
post #11705 of 18755
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Frolich... if you listen to concerts in 5.1 or 7.1, etc, might as well get the 212 as center as well.. the increased clarity means that much better for 'songs and voices' that comes out of the center...

I actually do not listen to music hardly anymore (7.1 or stereo), there was a time I did quite a bit. The issue with me strictly comes down to layout of my room and space for speakers (see picture below). I have a T8 center that is the exact same dimension as the 228. If I went with a 212 center then I would have to reshuffle everything, including the build in stands. Any upgrade I make would probably be in 2014 or 15 as I just built this room and got the equipment I have now about a year ago. My next upgrade is either a 4k projector and/or the Noesis. Will have to keep thinking about my options over the coming months.


post #11706 of 18755
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I actually do not listen to music hardly anymore (7.1 or stereo), there was a time I did quite a bit. The issue with me strictly comes down to layout of my room and space for speakers (see picture below). I have a T8 center that is the exact same dimension as the 228. If I went with a 212 center then I would have to reshuffle everything, including the build in stands. ANy upgrade I make would probably be in 2014 or 15 as I just built this room and got the equipment I have know about a year ago.



You know.. that's exactly what happened to me.. at college i am a big music fan.. .in fact, i collected over 600 CDs.. I have now ripped them all to MP3s and my CD collection is stored away..

But after college I just lost interest in music.. and that's 15 years or so ago...

until... wait for it... wait for it...

I GOT THE NOESIS 212s...

Suddenly, a completely different dimension opened up... music suddenly became ALIVE... it's like nothing i have ever heard before... And suddenly i am pulling out all my MP3s and CDs and concert blurays, etc, etc... i have lost a lot of nights just listening to music now... it's haunting how good the 212s are (especially if you paird it with a couple of HSUs ULS 15s)...

Just my 2 cents.. don't upgrade until you decide to go LCR Noesis 212s...

I can see you have enough height on the center for a 212...
post #11707 of 18755
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Originally Posted by dgage View Post

I can't put into words the differences between music and movies but depending on the speakers it can be absolutely huge. When I was in college, I bought a JBL 5.1 speaker set, which consisted of 5 MTMs with 3.5", 1", and 3.5". For movies, games, or other TV events, my house became the place to be because the speakers sounded so good (I'm sure I'd laugh at the sound now but that is immaterial). The important point to note is that while I was perfectly happy with their movie experience, I absolutely would not listen to music on them because of the gap in the midbass region. I'm not saying this applies to the Noesis but it does speak to the potential for an incredible difference in sound between movies and music.
The biggest differences between movies and Music is the vocals. They are in the Exact frequency range that the 212 specializes in. 80hz - 1100hz. The 212 CD covers this down to 400hz resulting in ultra low distortion while the 228 has 2x8" woofers covering this range. LTD02 said it was like 2 heads talking at the same time vs 1 head.
post #11708 of 18755
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


The biggest differences between movies and Music is the vocals. They are in the Exact frequency range that the 212 specializes in. 80hz - 1100hz. The 212 CD covers this down to 400hz resulting in ultra low distortion while the 228 has 2x8" woofers covering this range. LTD02 said it was like 2 heads talking at the same time vs 1 head.

I completely agree... i knew this instinctively the moment i got my 212s... the vocals are so sweet...
post #11709 of 18755
Frohlich

Dude you have a Badass system that needs No upgrades. If and when you do its b/c you Want it Not Need it.wink.gif
post #11710 of 18755
And on it goes --- smile.gif
It is so hard to put the 212s in a living room without spousal warfare so the 228s are just super appealing due to that - and of course the cost savings.
Myself - I listen to lots of movies and Blu-ray concerts in surround sound with just occasional stereo music.
I am really tempted to suffer the abuse and order a pair of 212HT-lps to save a little on cabinet size and use with a 228 center. I am sure it would sound wonderful.
But - will probably go with 3 - 228s. Need to mock up some boxes to try it out on the wife.
My center is mounted over my 63" plasma and angled down. A 212 would just be too heavy to do that in my opinion. To use a 212 under the tv - on an electronics stand would raise the tv 14-16" and not sure how I would like that so the 228 is much easier to integrate.

Would love to hear them but don't know if anyone in Louisiana has them - Baton Rouge area.

With the newer Blu-rays for movies and concerts utilizing the surround speakers more and more in my experience, I am really anxious to upgrade my surrounds to the Single 8s. Currently have sides / rears with 5 1/4" drivers and especially for the sides can tell that the Single 8s would be a major improvement. Actually think this could be a better or more noticable upgrade than replacing my fronts.

Currently running
ACI - Jaguars pair and Essence center front stage with ACI Emeralds surrounds and 2 Titan subs. Already purchased the Submersive Master/Slave pair as an upgrade but have not installed them yet.

And a huge THANK YOU to all who participate and post their findings from these get-togethers. This is tremendously useful information to the rest of us.
Pete
Edited by PeterK - 10/19/13 at 7:56am
post #11711 of 18755
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

And on it goes --- smile.gif

I am really tempted to suffer the abuse and order a pair of 212HT-lps to save a little on cabinet size and use with a 228 center.
Pete
I like this idea. The abuse will only last as long as it takes to piss her off with something else. In turn the 212 are built to last a lifetime.

My deal with my wife will be to Shut up If she gives In. For me that is not as simple as it sounds b/c I do enjoy running my mouth but I need to keep my eye on the prize.

Good Luck Pete
Chris
post #11712 of 18755
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

If I am not mistaken, they were switching out the 'center' but leaving the LR as the 212...

A lot of of the 'music/sound tracks' come out of the LR and therefore, you won't likely hear any difference when just switching out the Center...

I have tried listening to music on stereo and prologic (5.1 channel)... and i always prefer the 5.1 (even 3.1)... adding a center sounds so much better for me...

I have also tried replacing the center with

a) my Wharfedale Center

b) my Wharfedale Tower

c) JTR Slanted 8

while keeping the LR 212s...

For the above experiment, I had to turn up the center on my receiver to +10db while keeping the LR 212s at -10dB.. that's a 20dB difference from source. But still the LR sounds louder for all 3 options above...

Again, this is 'perceived' louder.. I think there's something inherent in 'horn' vs 'dome tweeters'... even if the SPL is matched, i think the perceived spl is still louder on the HORN... not sure why.. maybe LT can explain... I am the field 'scientist' collecting data.. .LT will analyze it at the lab and come up with workable theories.. haha

Now with the above experiment, this is my choice for center:

1. Noesis 212
2. Slanted 8
3. Wharfedale Full Range Tower
4. Wharfedale Center.

Now, there arean't that much difference between 2-4.. but from 212s to the rest, it's night and day difference... in terms of clarity, loudness, and just for lack of a better word, 'liveliness'... the rest sounded kinda dead compared to the 212... (the slanted 8 is not too bad, pretty good in fact, as it beats out my hi-fi tower.. .but still quite far off from the 212)

RMK once said that he replaced his center with the single 8s while he had the old T12s and couldn't tell a difference... but with the Noesis 212, it's truly night and day difference... (while listening to music not movies). Which brings me to the conclusion that the 212s MUST therefore be also that much better than the T12s...


BTW: If i did not do the -10db and +10db thing, the center would be totally drowned out by the Noesis...

Umm, not exactly smile.gif. I did run a Slanted 8 as Center Channel but it was with my Triple 8 LP's as the mains. I had sold the T-12's and was waiting (not so patiently wink.gif) for the Noesis 212's to arrive. The S8's and T8's use the same Coax-CD so it's not surprising that they sounded good together. I could only notice the difference between the 8's and 12's when I played the system louder. The 8's ran out of gas sooner that the 12's did. The 8's play very loud (evidence the outdoor T8 Growler Duo demo) but do so at the expense of clarity and detail. I am sure the same is true with the Noesis. Jeff has said the difference is in the much better compression driver used in the 212. It will play with less distortion and better clarity. Whether we hear it or not that is the bottom line. Now our ability to discern these differences is another story altogether. smile.gif

Hope you guys have fun in the park today. Wish I could be there ... cool.gif
post #11713 of 18755
this thread goes by fast, so my apologies if i'm running a conversation or two late.

"I don't know why the differences between the speakers are so much easier to hear with music than movies, but I completely agree with Archaea. Could it be that there is so much going on with movies - sound coming at us from all over the place for example - that it's tougher to pick out differences in speakers? However, if I feel like the clarity is best for music around 90 db's with the 228's you would think the same would apply for movies.... hell I don't know...."

one possibility is that a lot of movie recordings aren't actually in stereo, at least in the traditional sense, but are more a concoction of recreated sounds, sound effects, remixes, voice overs, and all the rest of it. so there are sounds coming from all directions but that doesn't mean anything with respect to recreating a real setting. it is kind of an irony that moving to all this multichannel stuff has taken attention away from a key idea...stereo sound...it's like we have 13 channel monophonic, when what would be better is 2 channel stereo or 2 channel stereo with a synthetically mixed in center channel!

as for the wall of sound. part of what helps to create the stereo sound illusion is to have the exact same frequency response hitting you from both speakers. the bms drivers that I've seen measured have been so good in consistency that it is often difficult to even tell that there are more than a single driver represented on the plot. so to the extent that the bms is covering a larger portion of the frequency spectrum and covers it more consistently the paper cones in the other speaker can, that could be one reason why the 212 seems to create a larger stereo image.

...

and frolich...toe your speakers in!
Edited by LTD02 - 10/19/13 at 8:22am
post #11714 of 18755
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

Got the LG 10000Q and dropped it into the rack tonight. Turned that bad boy on and it was LOUD. NOT my speakers, but the fans! I immediately decided the amp has to leave the room(but not the house...oh no, no, no). Not a problem though, I had this contingency plan in place already.

Having said that, amp is sweet. I set the gain at 23, which is low but brings my AVR trims from >-12 to a reasonable -6 or so. Set the VPL(Voltage Peak Limiter) to around 1800 watts so I can listen to the Sunday talk shows at a reasonable volume.biggrin.gif. Speakon connectors, 30 amp twist lock plug, heavy duty power cord. As you handle this amp you just know it means business.

Then I set about moving the amp to its new location in my garage that is right underneath my family room. This way I maintain that zero noise floor I find absolutely necessary for listening to music. And I like that the amp is stealth, just gobs of headroom that comes out of nowhere.

I have a calibration and listening party with some friends tomorrow, I'll touch back with my impressions if I survive. smile.gif

Interesting that the LG is loud but compared to the silent Sunfire any amp with fans would be.. Guess Jeff's normal experience with it was at a concert or large noisy auditorium and so he was a long way from the amp.

Good that you had a plan B and I'm looking forward to your impressions. My guess is that you will have better dynamics and that may be describable on certain material but the real benefit would be louder/cleaner and using that extra volume will quickly overpower your room. Essentially, too much sound for the room. If I'm wrong, I will be very tempted to follow suit ... wink.gif
post #11715 of 18755
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Frohlich

Dude you have a Badass system that needs No upgrades. If and when you do its b/c you Want it Not Need it.wink.gif

Lets be honest..none of us "need" any of this stuff biggrin.gif All of my upgrades are for fun because we are all in search of HT nirvana and mine is always as close as the next purchase...and then the next purchase..and then the next purchase smile.gif
post #11716 of 18755
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I use to love DPLIIx. With all former sets of speakers I've owned I used that most of the time for music. When I bought the 212's I quickly changed my mind about that, stereo is the way to go with these speakers. Every now and then I'll check DPLIIx again to make sure I still prefer stereo, and every single time I switch back to stereo it's not even close.
I've been listening to my higher quality mp3 stuff on DTS Neo 5.1 music and seem to like it a lot lately. I like it better than PLXII on just about everything and better than stereo for some songs. For some reason a lot of the newer music and music videos seem to do better with the Neo remixing than older rock songs. On some stuff though the bass is tighter and more powerful on 2 channel no doubt. The imaging to center in two channel sound to a phantom center is so good I often have to go up to the center to verify it is not actualy on.
post #11717 of 18755
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

And on it goes --- smile.gif
It is so hard to put the 212s in a living room without spousal warfare so the 228s are just super appealing due to that - and of course the cost savings.
Myself - I listen to lots of movies and Blu-ray concerts in surround sound with just occasional stereo music.
I am really tempted to suffer the abuse and order a pair of 212HT-lps to save a little on cabinet size and use with a 228 center. I am sure it would sound wonderful.
But - will probably go with 3 - 228s. Need to mock up some boxes to try it out on the wife.
My center is mounted over my 63" plasma and angled down. A 212 would just be too heavy to do that in my opinion. To use a 212 under the tv - on an electronics stand would raise the tv 14-16" and not sure how I would like that so the 228 is much easier to integrate.

Would love to hear them but don't know if anyone in Louisiana has them - Baton Rouge area.

With the newer Blu-rays for movies and concerts utilizing the surround speakers more and more in my experience, I am really anxious to upgrade my surrounds to the Single 8s. Currently have sides / rears with 5 1/4" drivers and especially for the sides can tell that the Single 8s would be a major improvement. Actually think this could be a better or more noticable upgrade than replacing my fronts.

Currently running
ACI - Jaguars pair and Essence center front stage with ACI Emeralds surrounds and 2 Titan subs. Already purchased the Submersive Master/Slave pair as an upgrade but have not installed them yet.

And a huge THANK YOU to all who participate and post their findings from these get-togethers. This is tremendously useful information to the rest of us.
Pete

The 212-LP's with grills may be slightly less disturbing to the other gender but they still will not make the grade with most women in their living room. But hey, a speaker is a speaker and there are times when utility trumps aesthetics ... try that one on her. tongue.gifwink.gif
post #11718 of 18755
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Interesting that the LG is loud but compared to the silent Sunfire any amp with fans would be.. Guess Jeff's normal experience with it was at a concert or large noisy auditorium and so he was a long way from the amp.

Good that you had a plan B and I'm looking forward to your impressions. My guess is that you will have better dynamics and that may be describable on certain material but the real benefit would be louder/cleaner and using that extra volume will quickly overpower your room. Essentially, too much sound for the room. If I'm wrong, I will be very tempted to follow suit ... wink.gif
anxiously awaiting too. If the room starts geting overpowered would dampening the room with more sound absorption help or are we just wasting power at that point and reached the limits of the room. I know MK Theater has talked about reference perception not as loud in what I thought he described as his aggresively damped room. I actually removed some of the 2" sound panels in the rear of my room and it made listening to music back there much better a little more alive, but did not detract from the movie experience at the front of the room.

Wish I was at the outdoor event today. Imagine the LG on the 212's out there.
post #11719 of 18755
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Lets be honest..none of us "need" any of this stuff biggrin.gif All of my upgrades are for fun because we are all in search of HT nirvana and mine is always as close as the next purchase...and then the next purchase..and then the next purchase smile.gif

It's a hobby and hobbyists like to tweak. For some it really is the fun of building and tweaking. That is the "end game" ... smile.gif
post #11720 of 18755
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

anxiously awaiting too. If the room starts geting overpowered would dampening the room with more sound absorption help or are we just wasting power at that point and reached the limits of the room. I know MK Theater has talked about reference perception not as loud in what I thought he described as his aggresively damped room. I actually removed some of the 2" sound panels in the rear of my room and it made listening to music back there much better a little more alive, but did not detract from the movie experience at the front of the room.

Wish I was at the outdoor event today. Imagine the LG on the 212's out there.

I think so. My room is heavily treated (perhaps too much) and it can get "overpowered" by the W4S. To a great extent we hear the room as much as the speakers and sound needs to be tailored to the space in terms of volume.
post #11721 of 18755
Does anyone have a picture of the 212HT-LP next to a 228HT? The footprint appears to be comparable per the dimensions on the JTR site but seeing a real world photo would be nice. The longer I wait to place the JTR order the more I think about moving up to the 212HTs...
post #11722 of 18755
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Archaea

Good Morning man,
I agree with what you are saying and yes Carp does change his mind from time to time,smile.gif What I am trying to point out is we are mostly always discussing the commonalities of the 2 speakers and do not touch on the differences enough. These discussions can leave the viewers at home with the impression of why buy the 212 when the 228 does almost the same thing and costs less. I have read some people call this a No-brainer decision.
The only goal I have, other than personal knowledge, is so the ones interested purchasing JTR products know as much as they can so they will make an educated decision that creates a realistic expectation in the purchase. Most just do not have the ability to demo before purchasing and strictly rely on research to make a blind faith purchase. It would be nice to have the Pros and Cons on all JTR products to help this decision along.
Another aspect is that as Audio formats and recordings become so much better and more clear the future has to be more revealing then it is now. Look at the differences between a SACD vs CD. Apply that to the future of what movies will sound like vs today.

I am a JTR Fanboy thru and thru so Please don't think I am trying to be negative in anyway I Want as much Information as I can get good and bad. Knowledge is all some of us can get vs demos so it is more important to some then others.

This is my bias opinion I am sure we will disagree on but I believe my 2012 Triple 12 will outperform the 228 easily for my needs and personally I am only interested in the 212s.eek.gifbiggrin.gifsmile.gif

You'all enjoy your GTG today. What the KC gang does for JTR and us forum readers is truly Special. I want to Thank You for the time and effort you'all put into this and all the detailed writings, reviews, and hard work that you take the time to share with us.

Thanks Archaea and Carp.
You MFs Rock. smile.gif

Chris

I guess you need to try to do anything you can to hear both the 212HT and 228HT at the same time then to compare them for yourself Chris.
post #11723 of 18755
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

I've been listening to my higher quality mp3 stuff on DTS Neo 5.1 music and seem to like it a lot lately. I like it better than PLXII on just about everything and better than stereo for some songs. For some reason a lot of the newer music and music videos seem to do better with the Neo remixing than older rock songs. On some stuff though the bass is tighter and more powerful on 2 channel no doubt. The imaging to center in two channel sound to a phantom center is so good I often have to go up to the center to verify it is not actualy on.

Have you tried putting it on 'cinema mode'?

I find I like listening to music on the exact mode i play movies (note: I am still using my old receiver and giving it analog signals, not digital).

In Cinema Mode, they put all the dialog on the center channel and I love it with the Noesis...
post #11724 of 18755
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Have you tried putting it on 'cinema mode'?

I find I like listening to music on the exact mode i play movies (note: I am still using my old receiver and giving it analog signals, not digital).

In Cinema Mode, they put all the dialog on the center channel and I love it with the Noesis...
I did and the cinema mode does seem a little more aggressive on the midbass especially for the Neo, you're right too about PLXII more center focused in cinema mode. I'm sure we are getting into differences where the quality of the pre pro really makes a difference and believe me I ain't bragging about my UMC-1 (sorry Emotiva biggrin.gif) Cool, can you remind me are you running the clone 10k on the neosis with the OS running and did you get the OS dialed in a little beter yet?
post #11725 of 18755
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

I did and the cinema mode does seem a little more aggressive on the midbass especially for the Neo, you're right too about PLXII more center focused in cinema mode. I'm sure we are getting into differences where the quality of the pre pro really makes a difference and believe me I ain't bragging about my UMC-1 (sorry Emotiva biggrin.gif) Cool, can you remind me are you running the clone 10k on the neosis with the OS running and did you get the OS dialed in a little beter yet?

My receiver have 2 Cinema Modes, one called the CSII Cinema which I love.. and the other is the Neo 6 Cinema, and of course the Dolby PLII

I only like the CSII.. .the difference is like between DTS and Dolby, where DTS is a lot louder / more dynamic... and CSII is exactly like that for me... voices jumps out at you... But this is my old receiver, so i guess every receiver have their own 'modes'...

As for the OS, yes, I did experiment a bit.. and currently using 0dB on my receiver signal out, and -16dB on the OS gain... (when I am demoeing to buddies, i upped it a bit to -12dB on the gain.

For movies, it's beyond compare. I think the output can easily equal 10 of my HSUs.. especially on the low end... most of the demo scenes i downloaded sounds thin on my HSUs because the HSU just don't play any of the down low bass...

I can't imagine wanting anymore bass for movies, currently... I think I might have damaged my brains... i was totally sick.. and had to lay on my bed for a few hours to calm down... hahha.. (btw: I am playing at a volume that i can feel air brushing on my hands/face as the bass hits, and can literally feel my eyes popping out due to to the air compression in my room). Basically i think it's twice as loud as they are playing at the Imax.. (but like you guys say, even though i can play louder than the Imax, it's different, Imax has a big hall and you get a completely different feel).

As for the clones, I haven't hooked it up yet.. I had someone made some signal to XLR and XLR to banana plug cables for me so that i can hook it up from my receiver to the clone.. but not sure if my cables are working or not... i am having them tested if they are hooked up correctly...
post #11726 of 18755
Hey JTR homies. I think I found my sub response resting place. What do you think? Seems I need a little steeper house curve but I am gonna hang here for awhile

post #11727 of 18755
Calibrated the system today with the help of my brother-in-law. Well, bass primarily and just some optimization of LR 212's positioning



That graph is 1/24 resolution with just the 2 S2's. I guess that will just have to do...biggrin.gif



You wouldn't know by looking and it's hard to tell from the pic anyway, but I pulled the LR away from the backwall and a little farther out from the sidewall trying to get rid of a dip around 300 Hz that still persists but not much I can do about it due to limited options for positioning of my mains. The only way I can get rid of it is to pull my LR in next to my screen and put the equipment rack and sub in the corner. Not sure I want to do that. I'm going to maybe do an Audyssey run at some point just to see what it does with it.





Got the LG 10000Q set up. All I can say is I have no doubt it is as clean as you'll ever hear the 212's at any volume that is humanly tolerable. Seriously. I'm not going to compare this amp to that amp or wax poetic about how this may, or may not, sound the same/better/worse than my Denon 4311 or the Sunfire. All I will say is that the LG walks right up behind the 212's, grabs them by the 'nads and takes charge. 'Nuff said.
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

anxiously awaiting too. If the room starts geting overpowered would dampening the room with more sound absorption help or are we just wasting power at that point and reached the limits of the room. I know MK Theater has talked about reference perception not as loud in what I thought he described as his aggresively damped room. I actually removed some of the 2" sound panels in the rear of my room and it made listening to music back there much better a little more alive, but did not detract from the movie experience at the front of the room.

Wish I was at the outdoor event today. Imagine the LG on the 212's out there.

Just got done with a LOT of music and watched The Matrix to cap off the day. We watched at +4.5 over reference and it was so clean and effortless that it's ridiculous. I started out at reference and it sounded like it was at about -5, so I corrected it. And man, awesome is the only way to describe the experience. Imax, shmimax. I have never heard a better reproduction of a soundtrack in my life. I have no room treatments.

As to the issue of overpowering the room, I'm not sure what that means. But if it's too loud to tolerate, then every amp that I have had powering the 212's could do that. The difference is in the sense of effortlessness between them. All I can say is that reference is perceptually less loud with this amp than the others. That was consistent through several demo scenes. Placebo effect? Can't say for sure, but what I do know for sure is that I was playing everything louder because I could and it was just so clean it was hard not to keep cranking a little more. And that is an objective observation based on the dial.
post #11728 of 18755
Just received email from Jeff on updates on my quad S2. What great service. Anyway almost done my friends.. smile.gif
post #11729 of 18755
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Just received email from Jeff on updates on my quad S2. What great service. Anyway almost done my friends.. smile.gif

Quad S2. Nice. Happy, you will be.cool.gif
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Good stuff Good stuff Goodoc!
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