Originally Posted by countryWV
I believe that its a pair of Cat 12s that is close to equal a Submersive HP from 20hz up. 4 x 12" Acoustic Elegance woofers in a sealed enclosure with 2 x Speakerpower 2000 watt amps vs 2 x 15" woofers in a sealed enclosure with a 2400 wpc Speakerpower amp.
That is pretty much Even Steven with regards to output and sound quality at least above a specified frequency.
LOL Chris, you're right of course.. I was being 'funny' but somehow was taken seriously... I am basing my statement on what Carp said:
"Carp: They are for sure, and it was so cool to hear them how he set them up for the GTG which was full range. They sounded like they had Submersives
Notice he used the term 'submissives', meaning 2 submerssives.. meaning all else being equal (number of drivers), it'll be illogical to assume that 12 inch drivers mano a mano can rival 15 inch drivers, unless the 15 inch drivers sucked... thus, my statement... it was all for fun.. please don't take it seriously...
Originally Posted by popalock
Again, I find this a bit insulting
coming from someone who hasn't heard a Submersive or a Cat12.
Popalock, you need to chill here... no need to get into full personal attack mode...
I was joking based on the statement carp made that the Cat 12s can equal a couple of submerssives (he used the term plural)... thus my 'logical conclusion that, since 12 inch drivers are equal to 15, then the 15s aren't that impressive'... it is by no means based on reality.. the reality is that 2 submerssives running full range with all 4 12 inch drivers engaged would equal to a single submerssive (with 2x15 inch drivers engaged), and then it'll be equal...
Originally Posted by beastaudio
Quite the illogical statement, Since it is a pair of high excursion 12's that are custom built just for the Catalyst by John Janowitz of Acoustic Elegance, one of the most premier custom woofer shops in the world, and assembled and machined right here in the US. There is ample enough displacement on the Cats to extend to 20hz with authority. And we had them playing at near mind bleeding levels. Every hair on my head was feeling the effects.
Ya'll say that, but we had the s2's on to start with at the g2g along with the seatons and the non fullrange offerings. At the end, jeff disengaged the s2 and Mark dsp'd the cat12's to full range. When we began playing the demo material we almost unanimously told jeff he hadn't cut off the s2. That was how deep the cats were getting. Heck, I still couldn't believe what I was hearing so I walked up to the s2's and the cones on them were moving sympathetically due to all the air the cat's where moving. It was insane and something I certainly had never seen before in my air leaky room.
I am not disagreeing with you here.. I am merely stating that if a pair of catalyst running full range = a couple of submerssives (as per carp's comment), then LOGICALLY, it would mean the submerssives aren't that impressive...