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post #12061 of 18434
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Originally Posted by Marcus Gan View Post

Hi Coolgeek,

The Omnimic I think not even 1% of your investment in your system. I sugguest you should get another one instead of waiting indefinitely. When you get the Omnimic from your friend may be a week, a month or a year later. JUst sell it off. Since it new you might only need to loose 10 - 20% which is only around USD20 - 30.
You owe it to yourself for not getting a measuring equipmnt with such expensive set up.

Cheers
Marcus

I would, actually, since at this point, i have no idea when i'll get mine from my buddy.. it has been close to a year already stuck at his house...

But unfortunately i think parts-express don't ship overseas.. can anyone here volunteer to ship to me?
post #12062 of 18434
Hi Coolgeek,

It does, I ship lot of things from Park Express to Singapore. You should have lot of friend or relative in Singapore that can pick it up for you.

Cheers
Marcus
post #12063 of 18434
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Originally Posted by Marcus Gan View Post

Hi Coolgeek,

It does, I ship lot of things from Park Express to Singapore. You should have lot of friend or relative in Singapore that can pick it up for you.

Cheers
Marcus

Ok, i'll try again.. you don't happen to have one you want to sell?
post #12064 of 18434
HI Coolgeek,

NO, I got myself the UMIK 1 with REW.

Cheers
Marcus
post #12065 of 18434
Hi Coolgeek,

BTW I think there was a guy want to sell his OMnimic but is the V1. If you interested I will see is it able to locate him.

Marcus
post #12066 of 18434
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Originally Posted by Marcus Gan View Post

Hi Coolgeek,

BTW I think there was a guy want to sell his OMnimic but is the V1. If you interested I will see is it able to locate him.

Marcus

Thanks, but i think i'll get the V2.. i'll forever wonder if i got things right if i got an older model..
post #12067 of 18434
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Originally Posted by Marcus Gan View Post

HI Coolgeek,

NO, I got myself the UMIK 1 with REW.

Cheers
Marcus

Wait a minute.. what's rew and do i need it (or want it???)... is it better than the Omnimic? And cost difference?
post #12068 of 18434
Hi Coolgeek,

No, if you get the Omnimic.

REW is the free software you can get from Hometheater Shack, you only need to purchase the USB Mic.

Cheers
Marcus
post #12069 of 18434
^ Thanks Marcus... lots of things to learn and play with...
post #12070 of 18434
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post


On the other hand, i don't think i can get enough Mid Bass... tongue.gif:
I really think this is the one area that the Cats have the advantage. The 212s CD crosses over at 400hz leaving it up to the 2 x 12" Eminence woofers to handle 400hz down to the XO point. The Cats use custom AE 12" woofers (14mm Xmax) so 400hz down to the XO point belongs to the Cat 12s.

If the 2 designs could be combined like the Noesis 212 with the AE 12" woofers, Speakerpower amp w/DSP or the Catalyst 12 with the BMS coaxial CD attached to the 18sounds horn it would be one step closer to the Holy Grail of speakers.
Chris
post #12071 of 18434
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

That's a very interesting take.
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Originally Posted by dgage View Post

For the record, there is no reason to play speakers and subs below 20 Hz. Simply none. That's why I'm going to put a 48db high-pass crossover at 20 Hz on my 3 LMS 5400s.

Flame on! smile.gif

I was kidding as I bought my LMS 5400s to get down to 10hz or so. But I like to poke things and see what happens. Bonus is we extended the conversation a little even if I was being a smartass. Great people on a great thread.

And I also have a MiniDSP UMIK-1 to use with REW and a MiniDSP 10x10HD so I look forward to learning how to use it all. I bought the 10x10HD to work with the HT subs and to also add built in subs in certain rooms for my distributed audio.

By the way, I did receive my JTR speakers, well 2 of the 3 212HT-LPs I ordered and 2 Slanted 8s. I will contact Jeff to find out about the 3rd 212.
post #12072 of 18434
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


I really think this is the one area that the Cats have the advantage. The 212s CD crosses over at 400hz leaving it up to the 2 x 12" Eminence woofers to handle 400hz down to the XO point. The Cats use custom AE 12" woofers (14mm Xmax) so 400hz down to the XO point belongs to the Cat 12s.

If the 2 designs could be combined like the Noesis 212 with the AE 12" woofers, Speakerpower amp w/DSP or the Catalyst 12 with the BMS coaxial CD attached to the 18sounds horn it would be one step closer to the Holy Grail of speakers.
Chris

Or you can simply add a couple of 2242s in sealed cabinets to the mix like n8dogg. Heehee..
post #12073 of 18434
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Considering that Imax sounds so damn awesome and they only go down to 22hz, I tend to agree...

Ok, I am about to say something that will definitely invite flaming.. and serves me right that is... tongue.gif (how dare I blaspheme)

It really is GREAT to demo the OS to buddies at insane volume and insane 'low down bass' that shakes the foundation loose,... but I doubt i'll ever watch an entire movie at that kind of bass... after a while, you just get a headache and your body needs a recovery time to deal with it all.. Once I am able to hook up my processor, I'll likely cut off the bass at about 15-20 hz before sending out to the OS... depending on how i like it (base on personal preference)...

Again, I am only speaking for myself... there are those who will enjoy deep below 20hz bass more than me... and the more power to you... smile.gif

And this goes back to why i prefer my HSUs over the OS when I am playing music.. one of the reason is because i think the HSUs sort of taper off below 20hz... i don't get that 'constant' 'heaviness' down below...

On the other hand, i don't think i can get enough Mid Bass... tongue.gif

ps: after all that, I would never give up my OS for even 10 HSUs.. because, hey, it's always cool to shake up and put the fear in god in some buddies when they come for a visit... biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifeek.gif

As JLP84 mentioned, placement of the OS (or any sub for that matter) is critical and the OS is not a good candidate as a nearfield subwoofer. Your current bedside location is just asking for localization issues not to mention the physical pounding that the OS can deliver. After watching Pacific Rim @ -10 the other evening, I was feeling a little beat up. Relentless bass for 100 plus minutes does get old (at least for this old guy wink.gif).

That said, my OS's do music as well or better than any subwoofer I have heard/owned and I'm certain that your issues in that regard are placement and tuning related. smile.gif
post #12074 of 18434
Lost another two hours of sleep last night and I blame the Noesis. Whatever you do don't start a music listening session after your movie ends. You'll never get to sleep on time.

Seriously though these things sound fantastic. I watched the movie "The Raven" which I wasn't all that impressed with. Afterwards I felt like the time was right to do some critical listening. The first cd I queued up was The Masterpiece Collection. I've always liked the two violin pieces on this cd. The Noesis were very good. But after watching the lossless audio Blu Ray this poorly recorded cd just wasn't cutting it. I moved on the The Best Of Beethoven. This is a much better recording by Telarc and it was much more satisfying. The Noesis do a great job with Beethoven! I ended up listening to the entire CD. It was the next best thing to going to the symphony! I'm really hoping to find some good blu ray quality Beethoven.

I was just about to shut it all down when I decided to listen to one song on the Dark Side of the Moon SACD. I listened to "Time" in 2 channel mode then "The Great Gig In The Sky" in multichannel. They both sounded amazing. In 2 channel mode the imaging was incredible. Moving the speakers as far apart and as close to the front wall as possible really helped with room nulls(bass guitar) and imaging. The soundstage was huge, though limited to the size of the room. I was drawn in to the music more with every note. The multichannel mix was also amazing. I'm not sure how to describe the difference. The soundstage didn't seem to change in any way other than the center of the image was a little louder. They really did a great job mixing this disc! I ended up listening to the entire thing. I really didn't want the show to end.

I started off not so impressed with the 228's. They seemed bright and boxy. However, after some break in and time spent on placement and calibration they sound better than I could have imagined. This thread has been an invaluable resource. Thanks for all the help(and the entertainment).
post #12075 of 18434
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Originally Posted by ianick View Post

Lost another two hours of sleep last night and I blame the Noesis. Whatever you do don't start a music listening session after your movie ends. You'll never get to sleep on time.

Seriously though these things sound fantastic. I watched the movie "The Raven" which I wasn't all that impressed with. Afterwards I felt like the time was right to do some critical listening. The first cd I queued up was The Masterpiece Collection. I've always liked the two violin pieces on this cd. The Noesis were very good. But after watching the lossless audio Blu Ray this poorly recorded cd just wasn't cutting it. I moved on the The Best Of Beethoven. This is a much better recording by Telarc and it was much more satisfying. The Noesis do a great job with Beethoven! I ended up listening to the entire CD. It was the next best thing to going to the symphony! I'm really hoping to find some good blu ray quality Beethoven.

I was just about to shut it all down when I decided to listen to one song on the Dark Side of the Moon SACD. I listened to "Time" in 2 channel mode then "The Great Gig In The Sky" in multichannel. They both sounded amazing. In 2 channel mode the imaging was incredible. Moving the speakers as far apart and as close to the front wall as possible really helped with room nulls(bass guitar) and imaging. The soundstage was huge, though limited to the size of the room. I was drawn in to the music more with every note. The multichannel mix was also amazing. I'm not sure how to describe the difference. The soundstage didn't seem to change in any way other than the center of the image was a little louder. They really did a great job mixing this disc! I ended up listening to the entire thing. I really didn't want the show to end.

I started off not so impressed with the 228's. They seemed bright and boxy. However, after some break in and time spent on placement and calibration they sound better than I could have imagined. This thread has been an invaluable resource. Thanks for all the help(and the entertainment).

I have the exact same problem. But instead of beethoven I let Dido sing me to sleep.

I am also pretty sure I am keeping the neighbors awake... they weren't complaining though probably because it's Dido...
post #12076 of 18434
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

As JLP84 mentioned, placement of the OS (or any sub for that matter) is critical and the OS is not a good candidate as a nearfield subwoofer. Your current bedside location is just asking for localization issues not to mention the physical pounding that the OS can deliver. After watching Pacific Rim @ -10 the other evening, I was feeling a little beat up. Relentless bass for 100 plus minutes does get old (at least for this old guy wink.gif).

That said, my OS's do music as well or better than any subwoofer I have heard/owned and I'm certain that your issues in that regard are placement and tuning related. smile.gif

I demo the os at -14 but that's nearfield so I am sure we r both getting the same pounding. My body physically hurts. I guess I am getting up there in age as well...

As for my issues with the os I am pretty sure it's mostly due to the nearfield placement. Once I have installed a new plug at the front wall I am gonna move it.
post #12077 of 18434
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

I demo the os at -14 but that's nearfield so I am sure we r both getting the same pounding. My body physically hurts. I guess I am getting up there in age as well...

As for my issues with the os I am pretty sure it's mostly due to the nearfield placement. Once I have installed a new plug at the front wall I am gonna move it.

All these points are moot once you move to your new home and the "bunker" tongue.gif.

I wouldn't worry to much about getting your current space optimized unless of course you just want to learn/practice. smile.gif
post #12078 of 18434
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

All these points are moot once you move to your new home and the "bunker" tongue.gif.

I wouldn't worry to much about getting your current space optimized unless of course you just want to learn/practice. smile.gif

Definitely not gonna spend money with room acoustics and all that in a rented house which I am going to move out off in a few months time. But I still want to move it upfront so that I can enjoy a whole movie with it.... and also experiment with it a little once I have figured out how to use my Ashley processor.
post #12079 of 18434
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Originally Posted by Marcus Gan View Post

HI Coolgeek,

NO, I got myself the UMIK 1 with REW.

Cheers
Marcus

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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

^ Thanks Marcus... lots of things to learn and play with...

REW has a slight learning curve. I bought the cross spectrum labs UMM 6 USB mic.

Now that I am up and running I don't see how we could spend all this money and not at the very least get an omnimic (easiest) to see what is actually going on in our rooms. Guessing games are not good
post #12080 of 18434
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Or you can simply add a couple of 2242s in sealed cabinets to the mix like n8dogg. Heehee..
You can add one but I do not know how simple it will be. N8dogg has a way of making things sound a lot easier than they are. His experiences make it easy for him.wink.gif
With my experience and 5 dollars you can get a Latte at Starbucks. smile.gif
Chris
post #12081 of 18434
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


You can add one but I do not know how simple it will be. N8dogg has a way of making things sound a lot easier than they are. His experiences make it easy for him.wink.gif
With my experience and 5 dollars you can get a Latte at Starbucks. smile.gif
Chris

Let me be the lab rat. Since i am as inexperienced as it gets and if it turns out that i could make it work then it would appear that anyone could. If on the other hand i fail miserably then i will join you in that cup of latte...
post #12082 of 18434
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Thanks, but i think i'll get the V2.. i'll forever wonder if i got things right if i got an older model..

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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Wait a minute.. what's rew and do i need it (or want it???)... is it better than the Omnimic? And cost difference?

I use the v1 OM still for quick measurements. The owners of the v1 all were able to send their mic to Dayton to have a calibration file created for free. When I got the mic back, I simply went online, got my code from Dayton and entered it into the software and boom, it was done smile.gif

REW takes a little more setup time but is much more indepth.
post #12083 of 18434
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


You can add one but I do not know how simple it will be. N8dogg has a way of making things sound a lot easier than they are. His experiences make it easy for him.wink.gif
With my experience and 5 dollars you can get a Latte at Starbucks. smile.gif

Chris

It really isn't as hard as you guys think, to be honest, REW threw me for a loop when it first came out, I needed instruction to get it sorted out lol.
The 2242's were actually very easy to setup up since i'm using them with the sub output rather than as stereo with the left and right channels. That didn't work out so well to be honest, it was really hard to get them not to sound bloated with the Noesis. With the sub output, it was as easy as hooking up a sub and setting the xover!!
post #12084 of 18434
I am up and running now on REW in just a few sessions of setup and trial and error
post #12085 of 18434
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

It really isn't as hard as you guys think, to be honest, REW threw me for a loop when it first came out, I needed instruction to get it sorted out lol.
The 2242's were actually very easy to setup up since i'm using them with the sub output rather than as stereo with the left and right channels. That didn't work out so well to be honest, it was really hard to get them not to sound bloated with the Noesis. With the sub output, it was as easy as hooking up a sub and setting the xover!!

More on that? I am going to pop my old 4648's in as MBM's I think for some fun. centered more than likely under the center channel facing the side walls (only way to fit them). I will play with the XO point to the sm60's but phase and delay between the mains, and the sealed SI's might be a little harder to blend. Good to know you seemed to not have too many issues with it.
post #12086 of 18434
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

It really isn't as hard as you guys think, to be honest, REW threw me for a loop when it first came out, I needed instruction to get it sorted out lol.
The 2242's were actually very easy to setup up since i'm using them with the sub output rather than as stereo with the left and right channels. That didn't work out so well to be honest, it was really hard to get them not to sound bloated with the Noesis. With the sub output, it was as easy as hooking up a sub and setting the xover!!

Yep, doing the same thing with a pair of TD18H+ drivers. smile.gif Now if I can get my front wall put back together and masking system in place, I can use my room again.
REW is pretty easy to use if you get the USB mic.
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post #12087 of 18434
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

It really isn't as hard as you guys think, to be honest, REW threw me for a loop when it first came out, I needed instruction to get it sorted out lol.
The 2242's were actually very easy to setup up since i'm using them with the sub output rather than as stereo with the left and right channels. That didn't work out so well to be honest, it was really hard to get them not to sound bloated with the Noesis. With the sub output, it was as easy as hooking up a sub and setting the xover!!

Do u happen to know any other receivers that does up to 500hz output in their lfe channel. Might not work out very well for most receivers that only does 120hz max
post #12088 of 18434
Well, REW is MUCH more user friendly now than it was when it first came out, lots of glitches etc. Now with a mic, it's a excellent tool, I used the rat shack spl meter at first! yuckers!

CoolGeek I don't know why you'd want a receiver that goes up to 500hz on the life and that would take the Noesis's woofers completely out of play. At that point, you may as well just buy a small sealed box to stick a CD in and be done. My 80.3 goes to 180hz or even higher, I can't remember how high it goes...

I think I may have traded my Q8s center to the guy who bought my T12's for a set of vintage Pioneer HPM 150's. I will have to go listen to them first but it would be cool to have them in the living room and I could sell off my Monitor Audio RS6's and center and sub. Just have 2 channel speakers, since they have 15 3/4" drivers in them!

post #12089 of 18434
^ OK N8, I'll ask the silly question... what's that attached to the top of them? I've never seen such a thing.
post #12090 of 18434
Those are the synthesized quadratic equalizers G...
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