Originally Posted by countryWV
Originally Posted by coolgeek
Oh boy. This is exciting. I can't wait. May I make a suggestion? Make it a blind test where only one person knows what is what.
Also no volume matching. Pass the remote around for ppl to turn up or down to their own listening preference.
Each speaker should be set-up for its best performance. This will take quite a bit of time but its the only way to hear peak performance. I have not read of a GTG where this was done.
Desertdome mentioned one meet at dlbecks, but there was another done previously with just two speakers which was also excellent.
Not between the Platinums and Noesis - but dlbeck threw a fantastic g2g between only two speakers - the Noesis 212HT and the Salk HT2-TL which was done blind. Volumes were matched. It was excellently done --- I sure didn't know which was which for sure until the final intentional reveal. I definately had my assumptions - but there was that doubt - like do I really know which is which? Which was definately fun!
Here is the link start at post 3477, and you can read on from there to get the feedback of attendees: (unfortunately this met did not get it's own thread).
It was an eye opening meet for me because while I absolutely LOVED one set of speakers and truly just liked the other during the blind audition -- there were other guys in attendance who most perferred the opposite set of speakers than me. That was almost incomprehensible to me. This particular meet made me actually truly and finally realize that not everybody likes the same sound. I think before this meet it always just seemed that perhaps someone didn't have it setup right if they didnt share a clear preference of mine - or they were sitting in the wrong spot to hear what they needed to hear, or it was a room issue or just something. This isn't tied to an arrogance thing, it isn't that I think I'm some sort of golden ear or know more than anyone else. I've never thought of it like that. It was just a 'reasonable' thing. It was sensible to me that people should generally hear the same way and if I REALLY liked one speaker better than another, most everyone would probably like the same --- conversely - if someone with a reasonable musical background like I had (band, choir, etc --- and could sing on key, or play an instrument on key like I can) then if that person had a clear preference in a 'critical listening' session - I would most likely share that same preference. IE --- Something CLEARLY sounds better - it must be 'mostly' universal - because one presentation is superior and most everyone would think so if they could hear it right now in a shared or identical capacity. Well, I learned that's not the case.
The Salk and the JTR have a very different music presentation - both were setup as best they could be and the votes were pretty much split down the middle for music (within a reasonable capacity of sampling error - it was a 1 vote preference for JTR. 6 of 11 for JTR, 5 of 11 for Salk - that's pretty much 50/50 in reality given sampling statistics). This really blew my mind because I liked one speaker's presentation so much better. Then for movies 7 out of 9 attendees liked the JTR better - so that preference was more universal due to the dynamic capability of the JTR. But ~50/50 split on music for one set of speakers that gave me goosebumps/chills many times during the audition, vs. the other set that never gave me any chills? How could people not share my affinity for the 'clear' victor???
At any rate - that meet in particular made me think scoring, or rating speakers for these types of threads doesn't really work well - because it cannot be a universal ranking that applies to everyone reading.
In the end - - - your ears - you pick!
Blind testing is awesome in this regard - because it removes all the biases you'd have based on sticker or brand and just lets you pick what you like. Then you know what to buy...If you pick it out blind - you know your going to love it! There is way too much placebo in this hobby and blind testing helps eliminate external bias.
Gorilla83 - - - my advice - take it or leave it - - - is to make it blind! Have comment cards, make attendees take notes on them before the speakers identities are revealed. Publish the comments - without names if people feel uncomfortable. It's a very interesting exercise and an eye opener for sure. Makes the event more exciting to be sure!Edited by Archaea - 11/1/13 at 3:45pm