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He did just say 2000 watts each in his post above lol. I'd try my 1000 each and if it's not enough, it's time for some more clones!!!

I figured that was the recommended max, just like all the other models have a max input documented. Don't know too many people with a 2000W watt amp unless you get into the pro market...surely that is not what an average consumer would/could purchase. I am not even familiar with any consumer amp that would produce that kind of power. I am looking at real world recommendations...not that crazy LG pro stuff some people on here use smile.gif

there are a lot of 1k monos out there and D'sonic has that odd 7 channel that does 2x1500 1x800 and 4x400
but besides that i dont know of a single 2k mono (prob because id never be able to pay for it lol)

lots of 2k monos in car audio however
post #12842 of 18544
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I figured that was the recommended max, just like all the other models have a max input documented. Don't know too many people with a 2000W watt amp unless you get into the pro market...surely that is not what an average consumer would/could purchase. I am not even familiar with any consumer amp that would produce that kind of power. I am looking at real world recommendations...not that crazy LG pro stuff some people on here use smile.gif

Crazy eek.gif. Well now I'm offended! tongue.gif

But JTR makes crazy speakers! I mean are average consumers buying Orbit Shifters? smile.gif The LG is the natural amp for the Noesis in my opinion. Some may scoff at the price, but I just look at it as part of the speaker cost. Besides, I probably paid far less for my LG than most are thinking. wink.gif
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Does this mean a separate sub or subs is not necessarily needed with these upcoming FR speakers?
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Does this mean a separate sub or subs is not necessarily needed with these upcoming FR speakers?

that is correct
post #12845 of 18544
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

that is correct

For two channel, but what about the LFE channel. Is there a way to direct it to the LR channels?

Oh, and I spoke to a reliable source tonight that told me the speculated cost on this thread for this quite awesome full range beast are low. wink.gif

Personally, I think once the costs are finally known the 10" version will get a bit more attention in the same way the 228 has attracted a lot of attention due to the fact it costs less.
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

For two channel, but what about the LFE channel. Is there a way to direct it to the LR channels?

Oh, and I spoke to a reliable source tonight that told me the speculated cost on this thread for this quite awesome full range beast are low. wink.gif

Personally, I think once the costs are finally known the 10" version will get a bit more attention in the same way the 228 has attracted a lot of attention due to the fact it costs less.

you set the speakers to FULL RANGE in settings on pre/pro, receiver etc.

can't wait to hear pricing etc on the Full range JTRS
post #12847 of 18544
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Originally Posted by Gooddoc View Post

For two channel, but what about the LFE channel. Is there a way to direct it to the LR channels?

Oh, and I spoke to a reliable source tonight that told me the speculated cost on this thread for this quite awesome full range beast are low. wink.gif

I dunno, if He goes much higher than the Cat 12, I think all that will do is get more people looking at the cat 12 lol. They are gonna think, "just speakers, or speakers AND power"
post #12848 of 18544
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The global gain level (back dip switches) was set at 23 dB and I had an audible buzz/noise at my listening position which I isolated to be coming from the RCA'S of my Denon 4311. The Denon speaker trims were minus 8 at that gain. It was suggested on another thread that I reduce the amp gains even further to get rid of the noise. So I reduced the gains another 12 dB using the front gain knobs to an effective amp gain of 11 dB, which resulted in +4 trims on the Denon and an absolutely silent noise floor in my room.

I haven't measured the Denon outputs but it would surprise me if a +4 trim setting would result in clipping. It would seem to me that a well designed AVR should not clip at those trims. The bigger concern would be the amp and I'm nowhere near clip lights at any volume in-room that wouldn't require ear plugs. There's 5 lights on the amp and I've never seen the third one even blink.

At my usual and loudest listening levels in-room without earplugs I have so much headroom clipping is not even on the radar screen. And that's the advantage of copious headroom that is often overlooked.

Having the LG is not just about driving the speakers as loud as they can go (although that's part of it smile.gif ), but in a large part it's having the headroom to optimize gain structures while remaining at the lowest distortion levels throughout the signal chain, keeping effective in-room dynamic range at its maximum.
I have to quit asking questions about the LG. I told myself no purchase before May, but this is making it difficult. Basically all the things I want in an amp for my 212's. Thanks for giving your experience with it Doc.
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Does this mean a separate sub or subs is not necessarily needed with these upcoming FR speakers?

Well here are the specs. I'd say this qualifies as full range.


Introducing the Noesis 215 Tower of Power.
72" tall, 17" wide, 22.5" deep.+/-3db 18hz-24khz

And, I'll be getting three of them. Probably keeping the OS' s too and that pretty much guarantees the eventual destruction of my home.
Wish me luck ... smile.gif
post #12850 of 18544
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Well here are the specs. I'd say this qualifies as full range.


Introducing the Noesis 215 Tower of Power.
72" tall, 17" wide, 22.5" deep.+/-3db 18hz-24khz

And, I'll be getting three of them. Probably keeping the OS' s too and that pretty much guarantees the eventual destruction of my home.
Wish me luck ... smile.gif

hope Jeff can make it so that he could mount drivers on the 22.5" side, effectively making it 17" deep, call it a Low profile version maybe. 22.5" deep still kills it for me possibly.
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Apologies for breaking into the buzz around the new Dominatrix 215, but I thought you blokes might be interested in developments in this thread, starting at post 18. It gets "interesting" at post 29, but you need the context beforehand.

I could use some moral support. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Well here are the specs. I'd say this qualifies as full range.


Introducing the Noesis 215 Tower of Power.
72" tall, 17" wide, 22.5" deep.+/-3db 18hz-24khz

And, I'll be getting three of them. Probably keeping the OS' s too and that pretty much guarantees the eventual destruction of my home.
Wish me luck ... smile.gif

Umm! That is one big speaker. How would we use it for the center? So, an external amp is recommended? And I guess if using it with separate subs what would I set the Mains at large instead of small?
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

hope Jeff can make it so that he could mount drivers on the 22.5" side, effectively making it 17" deep, call it a Low profile version maybe. 22.5" deep still kills it for me possibly.

Yes, they are absurdly large but those dimensions will work for me. I understand the potential issues but it comes down to my wanting to try a full range speaker and these were just too interesting to pass up. Since I love the Noesis sound, have a dedicated room and the space for them ... why not? smile.gif
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Umm! That is one big speaker. How would we use it for the center? So, an external amp is recommended? And I guess if using it with separate subs what would I set the Mains at large instead of small?

They are floor standers and that's where they will be. I have 24" behind my screen and could easily move the screen out a bit more. Yes, the LCR will be run full range and the OS's shifted (pun intended tongue.gif) to the back wall of the room. It may well be that I don't need the OS's (honestly, no one needs that much subwoofer) and if so, someone will be getting a screaming good deal on a pair.

It's all good ... biggrin.gif


BYW, Tower of Power is my name for them, not Jeff's ... wink.gif
Edited by RMK! - 11/21/13 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by GIEGAR View Post

Apologies for breaking into the buzz around the new Dominatrix 215, but I thought you blokes might be interested in developments in this thread, starting at post 18. It gets "interesting" at post 29, but you need the context beforehand.

I could use some moral support. wink.gif

Not worth the effort, ignorance is bliss ... rolleyes.gif
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So I'm gonna attend Axpona 2014. And before I fly up I'm gonna ask Jeff if he can give us a demo on one of the days I'm up there. Really want to hear these FR speakers in action. Oh, and still want to hear the 212's too. Dang, i know I'm gonna go home with at least LCR of don't know which one till I hear them.. Lol
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Wow, skip the JTR thread for a couple of days and I missed all of this! Nice development in design for the line...sounds a lot like another 215 speaker I know biggrin.gif

It will be interesting to see the price point on these, as they really could make for an "end all upgrade" for those without the DIY capability. Hopefully he has them done for January so we can test them out!
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Well here are the specs. I'd say this qualifies as full range.


Introducing the Noesis 215 Tower of Power.
72" tall, 17" wide, 22.5" deep.+/-3db 18hz-24khz

And, I'll be getting three of them. Probably keeping the OS' s too and that pretty much guarantees the eventual destruction of my home.
Wish me luck ... smile.gif
Good Luck and Congratulations. 3 to start 4 more to finish. That thought has at least had to cross your mind. biggrin.gifwink.gif
Sacrificing 2 OSs for 4 more of these may be worth it.

True 18hz from a Full Range Tower. WWHHAATTT?eek.gif

Chris

Oh I forgot. You are 1 Noesis 212HT-Lp away from having your 4 Surrounds.smile.gif
I know that the above is Unrealistic but replacing the Side Surround T8lps with the 212LP may be something to consider.
Edited by countryWV - 11/21/13 at 6:18am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Well here are the specs. I'd say this qualifies as full range.


Introducing the Noesis 215 Tower of Power.
72" tall, 17" wide, 22.5" deep.+/-3db 18hz-24khz

And, I'll be getting three of them. Probably keeping the OS' s too and that pretty much guarantees the eventual destruction of my home.
Wish me luck ... smile.gif

Thank you for posting the final specs. Might be too large for my room. I will keep an eye on final pricing (one of the posts above made it sound like we are all guessing too low on pricing) and specs but even if I am interested in them, the center would be an even bigger challenge. Unless I move to an AT screen, there is no way I am getting a center channel that big into my configuration unless I ditch the dual S2s and just run three of these full range with the center laying horizontally.

BTW, I dub thee "BIGFOOT"!!!!! smile.gif
Edited by Frohlich - 11/21/13 at 5:20am
post #12860 of 18544
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Well here are the specs. I'd say this qualifies as full range.


Introducing the Noesis 215 Tower of Power.
72" tall, 17" wide, 22.5" deep.+/-3db 18hz-24khz

And, I'll be getting three of them. Probably keeping the OS' s too and that pretty much guarantees the eventual destruction of my home.
Wish me luck ... smile.gif
How much do you want for your 212's?

Just kidding, they probably wouldn't fit and the price difference would not be worth it in my small room.

Congratulations on taking the plunge!
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

They are floor standers and that's where they will be. I have 24" behind my screen and could easily move the screen out a bit more. Yes, the LCR will be run full range and the OS's shifted (pun intended tongue.gif) to the back wall of the room. It may well be that I don't need the OS's (honestly, no one needs that much subwoofer) and if so, someone will be getting a screaming good deal on a pair.

It's all good ... biggrin.gif


BYW, Tower of Power is my name for them, not Jeff's ... wink.gif

Great news RMK! I think it will be a worthwile upgrade.

I'm excited about Jeff's decision to go with a larger horn and lower the crossover to the 4593 down to 300 Hz. That is the design element that is most significant in my opinion and the one that will separate it from the 212 in terms of SQ.
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<<<< Glad to have influenced the 215 decision vs 210. Not like someone else might not have if I wouldn't have said anything though.
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Does this mean a separate sub or subs is not necessarily needed with these upcoming FR speakers?

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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

you set the speakers to FULL RANGE in settings on pre/pro, receiver etc.

can't wait to hear pricing etc on the Full range JTRS

You still need a sub if you are wanting the LFE channel output in any x.1 configuration. Settings mains to large will yield all the content in the LR channels, but you can't redirect the .1 to the mains, just the mains to the .1....so to speak.
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You still need a sub if you are wanting the LFE channel output in any x.1 configuration. Settings mains to large will yield all the content in the LR channels, but you can't redirect the .1 to the mains, just the mains to the .1....so to speak.

That is my understanding as well. I know my pre/pro can not route the .1 channel to the mains. You can however push the bass from the mains to the sub.
post #12865 of 18544
I agree with Beast.
In regards to multichannel music no sub would be needed but with watching movies subs are needed for the LFE channel.
I would believe that having multiple subs that are deep diggers (like the S2 or LMS 5400 Ultra) and crossing them over at 40hz would be ideal for HT.
True 18hz capability from a full range tower is going to be something Special.
Chris
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Since you guys seem to mostly plan to put these new full range speakers behind an AT screen you may want to ensure Jeff has thought about the air movement from the ports (slots?) not messing with rippling your AT screen. I mean the capability of something like a captivator moves a LOT of air through my slot ports, and these speakers seem to be somewhat similar in capability. If I used the caps behind a screen - it could potentially cause issues.

Not sure what the fix would be --- larger ports to slow down velocity, ports placed on side or back potentially? Just something to think through.
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I admit to being a bit unsure about this purchase and I was completely happy with the system as it stands but I have taken this plunge before and it has always worked out to my great satisfaction smile.gif. It will take a bit of re-working of the room and the OS's in the back of the room should provide all the bass intensity I need for HT. As the good doctor mentioned, the LF extension is one thing, but the increased horn size and lower extension of the CD may be the cherry on top of this little "upgrade".

In any case, it will be fun having three of these monster speakers looming in the front of the room and trying to get the most out of them. Should keep me busy for a while. Expect a West Coast GTG when I get them. Not sure if a comparo or just a demo would be more appropriate. What is there to compare them to outside of DIY?
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I admit to being a bit unsure about this purchase and I was completely happy with the system as it stands but I have taken this plunge before and it has always worked out to my great satisfaction smile.gif. It will take a bit of re-working of the room and the OS's in the back of the room should provide all the bass intensity I need for HT. As the good doctor mentioned, the LF extension is one thing, but the increased horn size and lower extension of the CD may be the cherry on top of this little "upgrade".

In any case, it will be fun having three of these monster speakers looming in the front of the room and trying to get the most out of them. Should keep me busy for a while. Expect a West Coast GTG when I get them. Not sure if a comparo or just a demo would be more appropriate. What is there to compare them to outside of DIY?

I am guessing you have been in touch with Jeff about this speaker based of your intimate knowledge of the final specs and such. Any idea what the design will be like, I assume they will look like a 212 (woofer on top, horn in the middle, woofer on bottom) and will be in a rectangular design (like all his current speakers). Any idea on finish options…I actually quite like the current industrial look but I am not sure if it is for everyone.
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Since you guys seem to mostly plan to put these new full range speakers behind an AT screen you may want to ensure Jeff has thought about the air movement from the ports (slots?) not messing with rippling your AT screen. I mean the capability of something like a captivator moves a LOT of air through my slot ports, and these speakers seem to be somewhat similar in capability. If I used the caps behind a screen - it could potentially cause issues.

Not sure what the fix would be --- larger ports to slow down velocity, ports placed on side or back potentially? Just something to think through.

Good point Archaea. I was told the port is on the bottom front so hopefully not too much of an issue. With the OS's up front, I have always had crazy bass waves rippling the screen and it has never bothered me because at those times, all hell has already broken loose and it just adds to the effect. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I am guessing you have been in touch with Jeff about this speaker based of your intimate knowledge of the final specs and such. Any idea what the design will be like, I assume they will look like a 212 (woofer on top, horn in the middle, woofer on bottom) and will be in a rectangular design (like all his current speakers). Any idea on finish options…I actually quite like the current industrial look but I am not sure if it is for everyone.

A well sourced mole deep within JTR management had mentioned piano black finish...

But I don't think anything is set in stone at this point.
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