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post #13801 of 18328
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Originally Posted by asoofi1 View Post

I like the fact 2 cap 2400 would save $900 over 2 OS...but have to determine if the difference is worth it.

One question though...I saw one of your posts from a few months ago where you said you only had a single OS while the other wasn't working and you didn't hear a difference. Do you still feel this way? This is where it gets a bit confusing. I completely agree about having subs in pairs/quads, but at the same time how much of a "subtle" difference is a 2nd sub really making?

BTW, which of the JTR subs perform best for music?
I have a single os and it sounds amazing at my LP and also sounds equally well to the left and right seating from my LP (3 seat couch). Outside of this bubble, for instance 5 feet to the left, and the bass is now anemic. This is what multi subs in multiple locations fixes.
post #13802 of 18328
Hmm does the price hike for JTR and seaton have something to do with speakerpower raising their price at the start of the new year?
post #13803 of 18328
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Originally Posted by DotJun View Post

Hmm does the price hike for JTR and seaton have something to do with speakerpower raising their price at the start of the new year?

For Jeff, could it be that because he has other workers now?
post #13804 of 18328
Hi guys

I am building a new home and the bonus room is 18 x 19 with 9 foot ceilings. I am currently running triple 12's across the front with dual seaton f2 subs. I sold my old surrounds. There is not a huge cost difference in the slanted 8's vs triple 8's. There will be one couch in the room. I can pull it away from the back wall if I need to. I would like to run 7.2. Would you say it is a waste of money and space to use triple 8's (and if not how would they be mounted or placed on stands and if so what height so the speakers dont bounce off of the back of the couch) or ceiling (corner mounted) slant 8s are the way to go. WOuld I hear a big difference between the two and is it worth it.

Also thinkning of doing seatons upgrade to f2+ and making them both like this with two slaves.

Open to all thoughts. As usual thanks for all the help

Peter


Ps. I posted this in speaker forum but was informed it would be better to post here
post #13805 of 18328
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Gooddoc..Archaea.. Thanks for the reply. Learn something everyday. Just have one more question that's been on my mind for awhile. I think I ask this question before but I don't remember if I got a reply. I have a old AVR. And was wondering if it is enough to drive the speakers. I don't think I'll be able to buy a external amp for awhile after speaker purchase. So I'll have to use my old and current AVR for now. It does drive the quad S2's fine. But the subs does have its own amp. My AVR is a Pioneer Elite SC-09TX. And when I do get a external amp, will this AVR drive a pro amp? Thanks guys.. Merry Christmas and Mele Kaliki Maka from the Hilton Waikaloa, Hawaii...



I have a much less expensive Pioneer Elite and it powers the Noesis with no problem at all to ridiculous volumes. Like you someday I'll get an external amp - just because I can. All you avr needs to have a separate amp is pre outs, and I'm sure your Elite would have them. Double check on the back to see if they are there, if so you are good to go.
post #13806 of 18328
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Originally Posted by drpete12 View Post

Hi guys

I am building a new home and the bonus room is 18 x 19 with 9 foot ceilings. I am currently running triple 12's across the front with dual seaton f2 subs. I sold my old surrounds. There is not a huge cost difference in the slanted 8's vs triple 8's. There will be one couch in the room. I can pull it away from the back wall if I need to. I would like to run 7.2. Would you say it is a waste of money and space to use triple 8's (and if not how would they be mounted or placed on stands and if so what height so the speakers dont bounce off of the back of the couch) or ceiling (corner mounted) slant 8s are the way to go. WOuld I hear a big difference between the two and is it worth it.

Also thinkning of doing seatons upgrade to f2+ and making them both like this with two slaves.

Open to all thoughts. As usual thanks for all the help

Peter


Ps. I posted this in speaker forum but was informed it would be better to post here


IMO there wouldn't be a big difference in sound between single 8's and 888's when used for surrounds. The single 8's already have a crazy amount of output. To me the real question is whether to use single 8's or 228's. Single 8's would have the advantage as far as wider dispersion so that may be the way to go with rooms that have 2 or more rows. However, the sound of the 228 is so sweet, I do prefer it to the 8 and if I had 1 row that would be the way to go for me. I have experienced a setup that had 228's as the surrounds (212's LCR) and it was the most amazing/powerful surround experience I've ever had.

Even with my having 2 rows I may end up with the 228's surrounds just so that the sweet spot row sounds the best it possibly can, and I bet they will still do ok for covering the back row.

All this said, the single 8 is an amazing speaker. I was shocked at how loud it could go and how good it sounds. For it's size it has no business being as good as it is, I really don't get it. cool.gifsmile.gif
post #13807 of 18328
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I have a much less expensive Pioneer Elite and it powers the Noesis with no problem at all to ridiculous volumes. Like you someday I'll get an external amp - just because I can. All you avr needs to have a separate amp is pre outs, and I'm sure your Elite would have them. Double check on the back to see if they are there, if so you are good to go.

Thanks carp.. Yes it does have the pre outs. Just wasn't to sure if the power from the AVR it self was enough to drive JTR speakers. I'll probably get a amp later. That's the other thing though, I had all these plans on buying some ext. amp with the speaker purchase. But will it make a huge difference in SQ? This AVR I have does a pretty good job at reference levels and a little more. But I don't hold it to long at those levels because I already have my subs at 3-4 hot. So that becomes too intense. And besides my current Def tech ST mains and 1000 surrounds are the ones gassing out and not the AVR. So I think after I get better speakers (JTR's of course) it'll take the load from the AVR a lot more cleaner. Well that's my prediction anyways..
post #13808 of 18328
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

IMO there wouldn't be a big difference in sound between single 8's and 888's when used for surrounds. The single 8's already have a crazy amount of output. To me the real question is whether to use single 8's or 228's. Single 8's would have the advantage as far as wider dispersion so that may be the way to go with rooms that have 2 or more rows. However, the sound of the 228 is so sweet, I do prefer it to the 8 and if I had 1 row that would be the way to go for me. I have experienced a setup that had 228's as the surrounds (212's LCR) and it was the most amazing/powerful surround experience I've ever had.

Even with my having 2 rows I may end up with the 228's surrounds just so that the sweet spot row sounds the best it possibly can, and I bet they will still do ok for covering the back row.

All this said, the single 8 is an amazing speaker. I was shocked at how loud it could go and how good it sounds. For it's size it has no business being as good as it is, I really don't get it. cool.gifsmile.gif

Interestingly, not getting the 228s as my surrounds vs the single 8s are my only 'sort of' regrets with my JTR speaker buy...
post #13809 of 18328
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Thanks carp.. Yes it does have the pre outs. Just wasn't to sure if the power from the AVR it self was enough to drive JTR speakers. I'll probably get a amp later. That's the other thing though, I had all these plans on buying some ext. amp with the speaker purchase. But will it make a huge difference in SQ? This AVR I have does a pretty good job at reference levels and a little more. But I don't hold it to long at those levels because I already have my subs at 3-4 hot. So that becomes too intense. And besides my current Def tech ST mains and 1000 surrounds are the ones gassing out and not the AVR. So I think after I get better speakers (JTR's of course) it'll take the load from the AVR a lot more cleaner. Well that's my prediction anyways..


No, you will not notice a difference in sound quality as long as the amp in the avr is not clipping and with JTR's that won't happen at reference or even above unless you have a massive size room to fill. Archaea posted a video showing that he could power the Noesis 212's to 5 db's under reference (measured at his listening position) with 1 freaking watt before the clip lights came on! 20 watts got him to a few db's over reference before clipping.

Still I think it's a good idea to eventually get a seperate amp, but if you are worried that JTR's might not sound incredible using your avr... don't worry!!!


Which JTR's are you getting?
post #13810 of 18328
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

No, you will not notice a difference in sound quality as long as the amp in the avr is not clipping and with JTR's that won't happen at reference or even above unless you have a massive size room to fill. Archaea posted a video showing that he could power the Noesis 212's to 5 db's under reference (measured at his listening position) with 1 freaking watt before the clip lights came on! 20 watts got him to a few db's over reference before clipping.

Still I think it's a good idea to eventually get a seperate amp, but if you are worried that JTR's might not sound incredible using your avr... don't worry!!!


Which JTR's are you getting?

Thanks carp.. Not really sure yet. But I am setup to fly up to Illinois for the 2014 Axpona in April with the family. And will also drive up to WI to see Jeff at his shop for a demo of the 212 and hopefully the 210's if available by then. For the surrounds I'm thinking slanted or trip 8's.. Then I'll most likely decide and make my purchase while I'm there..
post #13811 of 18328
How would the 228's be mounted for surrounds ? Seems big and heavy for wall mount.
post #13812 of 18328
Guess if you have a dedicated theater room the 228HTs could be used as great surrounds. But at 1" taller, 6.5" deeper and 2.65" wider than the Triple 8HT-lps, they are just too big in a living room!
post #13813 of 18328
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Originally Posted by drpete12 View Post

How would the 228's be mounted for surrounds ? Seems big and heavy for wall mount.


Not sure... I bet I could use 2 of the Axiom brackets that I'm currently using, each is rated for 40 pounds but they seem like they could hold more.








The problem is that I wouldn't be able to angle them down using 2 brackets and like you say they are very big for surrounds.
post #13814 of 18328
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Originally Posted by rhed View Post

Thanks carp.. Not really sure yet. But I am setup to fly up to Illinois for the 2014 Axpona in April with the family. And will also drive up to WI to see Jeff at his shop for a demo of the 212 and hopefully the 210's if available by then. For the surrounds I'm thinking slanted or trip 8's.. Then I'll most likely decide and make my purchase while I'm there..

Perfect, you'll be able to decide by hearing for yourself first hand! Should be fun.
post #13815 of 18328
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Originally Posted by drpete12 View Post

How would the 228's be mounted for surrounds ? Seems big and heavy for wall mount.

At 75lbs per speaker I'd be really interested to see how guys would mount them other then using a French cleat setup.
post #13816 of 18328
Actually I wonder if Jeff would ever make a 128HT-lp - meaning a sealed 228HT but with only 1 8" driver so a much smaller cabinet for a surround? Would think this would be a really superb compact surround. Could still be priced like a 228 and would sell I would believe!
post #13817 of 18328
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

At 75lbs per speaker I'd be really interested to see how guys would mount them other then using a French cleat setup.

Here is how I mounted my triple 8 surrounds....I cheated smile.gif

post #13818 of 18328
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Here is how I mounted my triple 8 surrounds....I cheated smile.gif


Haha that's cheating Frohlich, there's nothing "mounted" at all about your surrounds.
post #13819 of 18328
There is an add on Jeffs JTR facebook page for 3 Triple 8's for sale. He said 2011 models. If you are feeling froggy, better jump! They have been listed for about 2 weeks, not sure if they are still available though.
post #13820 of 18328
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Originally Posted by drpete12 View Post

How would the 228's be mounted for surrounds ? Seems big and heavy for wall mount.
These are rated to 75lbs http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FDYTX6/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A17MC6HOH9AVE6
post #13821 of 18328
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

At 75lbs per speaker I'd be really interested to see how guys would mount them other then using a French cleat setup.

My triple 8's that will end up as surrounds have some female threads installed in them for mounting
post #13822 of 18328
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Originally Posted by PeterK View Post

Guess if you have a dedicated theater room the 228HTs could be used as great surrounds. But at 1" taller, 6.5" deeper and 2.65" wider than the Triple 8HT-lps, they are just too big in a living room!
I had thought about going with the 228 for surrounds, but after hearing the single 8's I just did not think it was needed. I am going to go out on a limb here, but I don't think you hear much difference in the single 8 vs the 228 for movies. Maybe wtih music, but I listen to 2 channel anyway.
post #13823 of 18328
My 2 cents....I was contemplating T8's, S8's and 228's and Jeff recommended the S8's.
post #13824 of 18328
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

I had thought about going with the 228 for surrounds, but after hearing the single 8's I just did not think it was needed. I am going to go out on a limb here, but I don't think you hear much difference in the single 8 vs the 228 for movies. Maybe wtih music, but I listen to 2 channel anyway.


Agreed.. Especially if all speakers will be set to small. But.. the thing is, for 300 bucks more which will take it to 2 8's and a horn. And more then likely the speakers will stay for a long time before upgrading.I think the 228 would be a better deal. Especially if you go multiples. Jeff does pretty good with multiples..
post #13825 of 18328
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Here is how I mounted my triple 8 surrounds....I cheated smile.gif

jealous! That is an awesome way to do it. Flush mounting is preferred if possible and you seem to have that from the photo.
post #13826 of 18328
Merry Christmas! Fellow JTR nut heads!

Shot just taken at Hilton Waikaloa..
post #13827 of 18328
Don't take the s*'s lightly. For surround speakers, I wouldn't bother with T8's or 228's unless I had a REALLY big room. They really are that room. I understand people don't think so because of their size but they are awesome speakers.
post #13828 of 18328
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Don't take the s*'s lightly. They really are that room.


Nathan, are you drinking? biggrin.gifcool.gif
post #13829 of 18328
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

Nathan, are you drinking? biggrin.gifcool.gif

Seems like it! Lol!
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Agreed.. 228 or trip 8 is a bad idea if you don't have the space. Especially if you only have this much space left!! Lol!
Edited by rhed - 12/26/13 at 12:01am
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