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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Running RCA's for the LFE can sometimes be a pain if your using pro amps going XLR to RCA with an adpator. Some AVR's LFE units don't put out enough voltage to run amps to full power, i can't say if the Speaker channels are the same but for sure it can be a issue with the LFE channel.

Stick with Onkyo... heehee tongue.gif

I actually use one of the LFE out and split that into 2 rca's, each into a HSU sub... and they are both running strong (but I have to turn the gain knob on the HSUs to about 3 oclock.

And I use the other LFE out to my Orbit Shifter (which I NEVER need to use it's full awesome power). But if I put the 'gain' there to about -2, I can get the clip light going... I usually use -9 for 'concert level listening and regular movies', but if friends want a real demo, i set the gain at -6 (which is already earth shattering).
post #14462 of 18361
Does anyone use JBL 8340a speakers as surrounds with JTR speakers for LCR?

Planning on running just a 3.1 setup to start with the 228HTs and Cap S2, but eventually I will want to add surrounds to go to 5.1 in my small room. Seems like the 8340a might be a good match at half the cost of a pair of JTR Slanted 8HTs.
post #14463 of 18361
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Originally Posted by emr25 View Post

Does anyone use JBL 8340a speakers as surrounds with JTR speakers for LCR?

Planning on running just a 3.1 setup to start with the 228HTs and Cap S2, but eventually I will want to add surrounds to go to 5.1 in my small room. Seems like the 8340a might be a good match at half the cost of a pair of JTR Slanted 8HTs.

I use the 8340a's for my surround duty, which are paired with my 212's. Had them since August and I am very pleased with how everything sounds. They are a nice upgrade over the Klipsch RS-62II's and RB-61's I had there before.

My goal is to eventually have the Slanted 8's..
post #14464 of 18361
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

mine is 16 wide, i had jtr quintuple for lcr and triple 8s which i ran as wides. you will find that if your room isn't that wide, puthing heights will give you a better surround sound. i am running heights now instead of wides

That's good to know, thanks.. I can't hang tower speakers from the ceiling smile.gif but I'll be trying heights when the S8s get here.
Edited by Gunner969 - 1/6/14 at 8:54am
post #14465 of 18361
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

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Originally Posted by emr25 View Post

Does anyone use JBL 8340a speakers as surrounds with JTR speakers for LCR?

Planning on running just a 3.1 setup to start with the 228HTs and Cap S2, but eventually I will want to add surrounds to go to 5.1 in my small room. Seems like the 8340a might be a good match at half the cost of a pair of JTR Slanted 8HTs.



I use the 8340a's for my surround duty, which are paired with my 212's. Had them since August and I am very pleased with how everything sounds. They are a nice upgrade over the Klipsch RS-62II's and RB-61's I had there before.

My goal is to eventually have the Slanted 8's..

Coach, interesting. What do you like better about the jbl over the rs-62? I've always been a fan of dipoles for surround and had considered the rs-62 as a budget savvy option.
post #14466 of 18361
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I use the 8340a's for my surround duty, which are paired with my 212's. Had them since August and I am very pleased with how everything sounds. They are a nice upgrade over the Klipsch RS-62II's and RB-61's I had there before.

My goal is to eventually have the Slanted 8's..

Nice. If you ever make the jump to the Slanted 8HTs shoot me a PM. I'd be happy to pickup a pair of used 8340a speakers! tongue.gif
post #14467 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Coach, interesting. What do you like better about the jbl over the rs-62? I've always been a fan of dipoles for surround and had considered the rs-62 as a budget savvy option.

I think the biggest change was going from the dipole effect of the RS-62's to a more sensitive direct radiating speaker. The JBL's just hung in there better with the Noesis. I am not the best when it comes to the technical side of things, I just know that the surrounds are more relevant now than they were with the Klipsch...
post #14468 of 18361
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Can someone who knows definitively provide a link or perhaps you know 100%.

What BMS drivers are used in each JTR speaker? Single 8, Triple 8, Triple 12, 228 Noesis, 212 Noesis? I know for sure the 228 and 212. Just curious smile.gif
Single 8 ????? I would guess 4540nd

T8 &
T12 BMS 4540nd list price $145.25 http://bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4540nd

228 BMS 4547nd list price $165. http://bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4547nd

212 BMS 4593nd list price $695 http://bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4593nd

These prices were accurate as of 3-1-13

Chris
Edited by countryWV - 1/6/14 at 7:22am
post #14469 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Gunner969 View Post

I decided to bring down my upstrairs deftech BP8080STs to use them as front wide speakers to see if front wides are worth it. Well, I have to say that I really like what the front wides add to Pacific Rim and Transformers.

So.... I'm going to need front wide speakers as the 8080s are going back upstairs and I also want the front wides to be mounted on the wall (no towers). But I'm thinking that since the BP8080s go down to 40Hz (that's the crossover audyssey set), some of the sound stage may have been due to that lower response which means S8s may not be good for the wides. What do you guys think? Any recommendations for front wide speakers?

I've been running single 8's as wides for the last year and they match my T12's great. I'll wait and see how they do with the 212's. We love the effect the wides have and have been using them for about 4 years now. Our current theater is 18' wide which helps too but they make the soundstage super wide and creates a wall of sound coming at you. My wife loves them and hates it when I turn them off to test how it sounds without them.
post #14470 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Gunner969 View Post

I decided to bring down my upstrairs deftech BP8080STs to use them as front wide speakers to see if front wides are worth it. Well, I have to say that I really like what the front wides add to Pacific Rim and Transformers.

So.... I'm going to need front wide speakers as the 8080s are going back upstairs and I also want the front wides to be mounted on the wall (no towers). But I'm thinking that since the BP8080s go down to 40Hz (that's the crossover audyssey set), some of the sound stage may have been due to that lower response which means S8s may not be good for the wides. What do you guys think? Any recommendations for front wide speakers?

More often than not, Ausyssey (XT32) sets my Slanted 8 Height and Surround Back speakers to 50hz. I'm sure this is due to boundary effect as they are fairly close to 2 boundaries (ceiling/wall). I changed them to 100hz as that is their "normal" xover range and it's pointless to push them beyond that. I think the best choices for wides with JTR mains would be Single 8's, Triple 8HT-LP's or even better, the Noesis 228's but they require more room width to function properly.

How you are making wide speakers work in a 13' wide room is a mystery to me unless you have a single seat theater and/or sit very close to the LCR's.
post #14471 of 18361
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


Single 8 ????? I would guess 4540nd

T8 &
T12 BMS 4540nd list price $145.25 http://bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4540nd

228 BMS 4547nd list price $165. http://bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4547nd

212 BMS 4593nd list price $695 http://bmsspeakers.com/index.php?id=bms_4593nd

These prices were accurate as of 3-1-13

Chris

Thanks smile.gif
I thought nobody had read that :/
post #14472 of 18361
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

More often than not, Ausyssey (XT32) sets my Slanted 8 Height and Surround Back speakers to 50hz. I'm sure this is due to boundary effect as they are fairly close to 2 boundaries (ceiling/wall). I changed them to 100hz as that is their "normal" xover range and it's pointless to push them beyond that. I think the best choices for wides with JTR mains would be Single 8's, Triple 8HT-LP's or even better, the Noesis 228's but they require more room width to function properly.

How you are making wide speakers work in a 13' wide room is a mystery to me unless you have a single seat theater and/or sit very close to the LCR's.

I'll try the S8s when I get them and go from there. For once, I will show patience and experiment before doing something. smile.gif

As for the room layout, I've attached a pic to show the current configuration. I read somewhere on Audyssey's web page that if the room cannot do perfect 30 and 60 degrees, to double the angle of the fronts when placing the wides. So I ended up with the existing config: 23 degree fronts and 46 degree wides. I have to say that it works out pretty well - that Kris guy on audyssey does say that the point of the front wides is to really help when the LCR placement is narrow. I seem to be agreeing with that comment.

I totally agree with subyguy that it's like a wall of sound coming at you. My wife was convinced to go with wides literally after a 2 second AB comparison.

I do have another question: we decided to have two rows of seating. So, I'm thinking instead of doing rears, going with two sets of side surrounds. I'm thinking that putting the rears behind the back row, but optimizing them for listening in the first row will make them too loud for the back row viewers. Any thoughts from anyone?

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BTW, that big pink thing in the middle of my pic is the projector - not my big fat head. smile.gif
post #14474 of 18361
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Originally Posted by subyguy View Post

I run crown xls 1500's all around (was running one bridges on each of my T12's then switched to stereo when I added more surrounds) and love them. They are silent and have RCA inputs. I have added relays in them all so they turn on with my 4311. My room maybe isn't typical as it is basically the entire basement and is almost. 15,000ft3. When I'm lifting weights in the back I'm about 50ft from the speakers and like it loud so I'm using at least some of that power that's on tap.

What relay are you using? I'm thinking of adding a relay box for the S2.
post #14475 of 18361
Would anyone be interested in a pair of Triple 8's? 2008 model I drove a state away to pick up. Then shipped them to Jeff in Wisconsin to do driver/crossover upgrades as well as repair a couple of the female mounting nuts he uses for his drivers. He is installing and running full testing on them. They have the JTR logo engraved in the back and have speakon connectors. Basically brand new Triple 8's from the masters hands smile.gif I am not quite absolute 100% set on selling them. Just curious if someone would be interested smile.gif

post #14476 of 18361
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Good point but which one and where its located makes the difference. When I had the amp out of my right (they are both up front corner loaded) OS the left one seemed to sound just about the same as two of them together. When I tried using a single OS in the middle under my center channel Noesis, the bass was essentially gone from my entire front row. With subs it is location, location, location. Having multiples helps mitigate many issues.

Re the best sounding, Jeff has stated several times that the OS is his favorite. You'll have to ask him what that means ... smile.gif

Honestly, I thought the original Captivators (bandpass PR version with a 12" driver and 18" PR) were the best I had heard for music.

BTW, since you are a photographer, what do you think about the Sony DSC RX-100 as a carry around daily shooter? I found them on ebay for $400 and couldn't resist.

I was just rereading some of the posts and saw I missed your question... Sorry about that. The Sony is very good, but my general advice for point and shoots is to not spend more than $200-300 because most won't utilize the features. This has a low aperture lens, hence more cost. This allows for shots in low light conditions where you don't want to use flash. Low light capability is great to have, which allows more of a natural look, but there is another option I've suggested to FAM & friends: canon s110 (prev models s95, s100). The Sony has a f/1.8 lens, and the canon has f/2.0...so hardly much diff for your likely use. Most ppl are setting to auto and shooting 3.5-5.6 range anyway. I'd save the cash and get the Canon, but nothing wrong with Sony either. The best camera is always the one you have with you.

Sorry for the OT guys. Just to make this post relevant...what does JTR stand for? wink.gif
post #14477 of 18361
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Has anyone ever played with one of these full band EQs for something like the JTR mains?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Symetrix-533E-Graphic-Equalizer-31-Band-2-Channel-Stereo-/111249473788?pt=US_Signal_Processors_Rack_Effects&hash=item19e6fc40fc

Who hasn't enjoyed making the v-shaped EQ on their old bookshelf systems. I wonder how one of these EQ setups would pan out in a Home Theater Environment? It could be like Audyssey in tailoring response - except you'd have control over what it sounded like...

Yep, I have a DBX dual 31 band EQ. I messed around with it for a little while and it was good for a few filters, but if you really started dialing it in, the noise floor started going up pretty quickly. I learned that it really is a nice piece to use POST audyssey if you use it. Where just a couple filters would further improve the sound for certain. I have been thinking about popping it in and giving it another run with the Danleys though.
post #14478 of 18361
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Would anyone be interested in a pair of Triple 8's? 2008 model I drove a state away to pick up. Then shipped them to Jeff in Wisconsin to do driver/crossover upgrades as well as repair a couple of the female mounting nuts he uses for his drivers. He is installing and running full testing on them. They have the JTR logo engraved in the back and have speakon connectors. Basically brand new Triple 8's from the masters hands smile.gif I am not quite absolute 100% set on selling them. Just curious if someone would be interested smile.gif


You're starting to change your mind as often as you do your undies!...lol. Once every two to three days!...lol tongue.gif
post #14479 of 18361
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

I am curious about the 215 but the 212 is awesome. still my favorite purchase so far. OS's are close second

Has anyone figured out how a pair/lcr set of 215 will negate the need for a sub(s)? Years ago, I had 5 speakers setup for dolby surround, but without a sub. The bass all came thru the LR channels and I never missed not having a sub...Cerwin Vegas btw. I can see this happening with the 215, but one would need lots of powah for the lows...unless the 215 are supposed to be active?? I like the idea of having all inclusive solution, but it seems you would have to get amps for 2ch/ht and subs for ht implementation. What am I missing?
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

You're starting to change your mind as often as you do your undies!...lol. Once every two to three days!...lol tongue.gif

Wait, you change your underwear? Anyway, I'm just weighing my options out in front of me is all smile.gif I would be content with LCR T 8's but if I sold these for a much discounted price over a new pair of T 8's then I could have a shot at LCR Triad Golds. And it could work out great for someone on a pair of Triple 8's. Did you get my PM JB? Anything fun to do up there in Vancouver BC? Only thing about going to Canada is a couldn't carry my pistol. Not a dealbreaker though smile.gif
Edited by jlpowell84 - 1/6/14 at 12:28pm
post #14481 of 18361
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Would anyone be interested in a pair of Triple 8's? 2008 model I drove a state away to pick up. Then shipped them to Jeff in Wisconsin to do driver/crossover upgrades as well as repair a couple of the female mounting nuts he uses for his drivers. He is installing and running full testing on them. They have the JTR logo engraved in the back and have speakon connectors. Basically brand new Triple 8's from the masters hands smile.gif I am not quite absolute 100% set on selling them. Just curious if someone would be interested smile.gif

Damn, if they were 228's I'd be all over them to use as wides with my 212's.
post #14482 of 18361
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Would anyone be interested in a pair of Triple 8's? 2008 model I drove a state away to pick up. Then shipped them to Jeff in Wisconsin to do driver/crossover upgrades as well as repair a couple of the female mounting nuts he uses for his drivers. He is installing and running full testing on them. They have the JTR logo engraved in the back and have speakon connectors. Basically brand new Triple 8's from the masters hands smile.gif I am not quite absolute 100% set on selling them. Just curious if someone would be interested smile.gif


Got a price in mind?
post #14483 of 18361
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Originally Posted by asoofi1 View Post

I was just rereading some of the posts and saw I missed your question... Sorry about that. The Sony is very good, but my general advice for point and shoots is to not spend more than $200-300 because most won't utilize the features. This has a low aperture lens, hence more cost. This allows for shots in low light conditions where you don't want to use flash. Low light capability is great to have, which allows more of a natural look, but there is another option I've suggested to FAM & friends: canon s110 (prev models s95, s100). The Sony has a f/1.8 lens, and the canon has f/2.0...so hardly much diff for your likely use. Most ppl are setting to auto and shooting 3.5-5.6 range anyway. I'd save the cash and get the Canon, but nothing wrong with Sony either. The best camera is always the one you have with you.

Sorry for the OT guys. Just to make this post relevant...what does JTR stand for? wink.gif

JTR ... ( Just Try Reaching-him ) tongue.gif

Thanks for the belated camera info. I bought the Sony and love it. smile.gif
post #14484 of 18361
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Originally Posted by edoggrc51 View Post

Got a price in mind?
do all jtr have it etched into the back like that?
post #14485 of 18361
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Originally Posted by selkec View Post

do all jtr have it etched into the back like that?

No, they don't. I know my T12's didn't and the Noesis I have now don't either. I believe it was something on the older models.
post #14486 of 18361
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

JTR ... ( Just Try Reaching-him ) tongue.gif

Thanks for the belated camera info. I bought the Sony and love it. smile.gif

Jeff Thadius Richardson

His maiden name.
post #14487 of 18361
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Originally Posted by selkec View Post

do all jtr have it etched into the back like that?


Just the older models, goes back to Jeff's pro audio roots. I think it stopped around 2009 (not sure exactly).
post #14488 of 18361
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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

Jeff Thadius Richardson

His maiden name.
That is F'ing Hilarious!!! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
Chris
post #14489 of 18361
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Originally Posted by jlpowell84 View Post

Wait, you change your underwear? Anyway, I'm just weighing my options out in front of me is all smile.gif I would be content with LCR T 8's but if I sold these for a much discounted price over a new pair of T 8's then I could have a shot at LCR Triad Golds. And it could work out great for someone on a pair of Triple 8's. Did you get my PM JB? Anything fun to do up there in Vancouver BC? Only thing about going to Canada is a couldn't carry my pistol. Not a dealbreaker though smile.gif

Yeah sorry, I was going to put together a list of cool things that you could do while you're here. I'll send you a PM reply when I get a chance.
post #14490 of 18361
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Originally Posted by subyguy View Post

Damn, if they were 228's I'd be all over them to use as wides with my 212's.

If they were 228HT's,I don't think he'd be thinking of selling them.....lol tongue.gif
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