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post #1711 of 8428
mjg100,

When you got 3 different results, was it in a treated or untreated room?
post #1712 of 8428
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

In an untreated room I like the use of Audyssey. In a treated room I do not like to use Audyssey. I also found it inconsistent. With mic mounted on a tripod I can run Audyssey three times and get three different results. Zero changes. I am not even in the room when it runs so I am not a variable. In an untreated room I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.

I have never run Audyssey in an untreated space so I have no idea how it would perform but based upon all of the positive user feedback, untreated rooms seem to be the Audyssey sweet spot.

Having run MultEQ-XT (and the Pro Kit) many times, I'm not sure I could tell the difference (Audyssey on or off) in a blind listening test. Of course, I feel the same way about cables, amps, AVR's/Pre Pro's and even many speakers played at moderate volume.

Guess I'm just too skeptical by nature to hear the differences.
post #1713 of 8428
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Originally Posted by fatsow View Post



A quick picture of my front wall. I like the looks of these speakers. I need to get this room under control.

Setup look great! I can't make it out from the picture but are you using a triple 8 as a center? If so how are you finding it paired with your triple 12's?
post #1714 of 8428
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Originally Posted by EmmJay View Post

Setup look great! I can't make it out from the picture but are you using a triple 8 as a center? If so how are you finding it paired with your triple 12's?

think he has Q8's for L/R
post #1715 of 8428
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Originally Posted by carlm9 View Post

Finally got time to give the new 12's a workout. We just got done watching 2012. Great movie and soundtrack to test. All I can say is that these new speakers do not disappoint. I am coming from a Klipsch Ultra 2 System with an SVS PB13 for a sub.

The new JTR's play loud and clear. I always liked the Klipsch system but they seemed to compress at loud levels. I have a huge open living area that was just too big for them. How do you think the JTR's did - effortless! Your ears will give out before the JTR's do. They put up an incredible "Wall of Sound". I still need to do a little more calibrating, but these things flat out rock.

The only problem is that my SVS is having a hard time keeping up. Luckily I am just about finished putting together the Danley DTS-10.

For reference, I am powering them with Wyred for Sound 1000W amps and they love it.

I have owned everything from Revel, Aerial, Von Schweikert, Dali, etc..., you get the point. None of them can hold a candle to the dynamics of the JTR's. I really liked the Dalis for clarity and imaging, but they also compress at mid to high volumes.

Jeff gets the big thumbs up for putting together such a great product. I still can't believe the size of these things - "Large Marge".


The only issue I am having is with my Integra 9.8 processor. I just can't seem to get a good balanced sound field to work for me. It always seems like the center channel is too low. Can anyone suggest a good surround mode for both Blue-Ray (PS3) and Directv?

Welcome to the next level!

Can you post a photo of your setup? Try to get those tweeters at ear height, or at the very least, angle them toward the listening position. For 7.1 on the Integra 9.8, I usually use Dolby PLIIx. Do you have a calibration disc? Try running some test tones on the PS3 and measure them. As RMK! noted, it could be a first reflection issue, but first, try to align that center channel the best you can (use your laser level).

Getting that DTS-10 in there will balance things out and make all the difference. Not only will your mid-bass come alive, the JTR's will sound orders of magnitude better with adequate bass.
post #1716 of 8428
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Originally Posted by fugueness View Post

Welcome to the next level!

Can you post a photo of your setup? Try to get those tweeters at ear height, or at the very least, angle them toward the listening position. For 7.1 on the Integra 9.8, I usually use Dolby PLIIx. Do you have a calibration disc? Try running some test tones on the PS3 and measure them. As RMK! noted, it could be a first reflection issue, but first, try to align that center channel the best you can (use your laser level).

Getting that DTS-10 in there will balance things out and make all the difference. Not only will your mid-bass come alive, the JTR's will sound orders of magnitude better with adequate bass.

RMK & Fugueness,
Thanks for the tips. I have been trying different surroud formats to test everything. When I run it in "All Ch Stereo" it sounds great with the sound quality, audio level and clarity, but with Dolby PLIIX it sounds much more compressed. I have to turn the volume way up to even begin to reach the same sound level. It is most likely the Directv signal coming in or the format it was recorded in. I ran out of time so the DTS will have to wait until next week. Thanks
post #1717 of 8428
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Originally Posted by EmmJay View Post

Setup look great! I can't make it out from the picture but are you using a triple 8 as a center? If so how are you finding it paired with your triple 12's?

It is a triple 8 center, but as pointed out the left and right are Q8's. They go well together. Thanks
post #1718 of 8428
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Originally Posted by carlm9 View Post

RMK & Fugueness,
Thanks for the tips. I have been trying different surroud formats to test everything. When I run it in "All Ch Stereo" it sounds great with the sound quality, audio level and clarity, but with Dolby PLIIX it sounds much more compressed. I have to turn the volume way up to even begin to reach the same sound level. It is most likely the Directv signal coming in or the format it was recorded in. I ran out of time so the DTS will have to wait until next week. Thanks

Isn't Directv stereo to begin with? Then it would make sense to just run it in stereo. I think only some of the PPV channels are 5.1.
post #1719 of 8428
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

mjg100,

When you got 3 different results, was it in a treated or untreated room?

Treated room. My downstairs system is in an untreated room and I use it in that room.
post #1720 of 8428
Im in the process of upgrading my theater again. The triple 12HT is on my short list and was wondering if 300 wTTS @4 OHMS would be good enough or if 300 @8 ohms would sound better. I do not want to be underpowered.

Thanks in advance
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post #1722 of 8428
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

Treated room. My downstairs system is in an untreated room and I use it in that room.

What was your solution for the treated room? Not use Audyssey?
post #1723 of 8428
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

What was your solution for the treated room? Not use Audyssey?

I use an Onkyo 805 in my downstairs untreated room and I use Audyssey in that room. In that untreated room I got different results when running Audyssey, but I decided the benefits of Audyssey were better than not using Audyssey. I tried the 805 in the treated room and I still got different results. Because of the varying results I decided that I was not going to use Audyssey in the treated room and shopped for a cheap AVR that had 7.1 preouts. I bought a Harman Kardon AVR254 and only use it as a prepro. The HK 254 has auto room correction and like Audyssey gave me different results in the treated room so I don't use it either. Mic was mounted on a tripod and placed in the optimum viewing/listening location. Mic was not moved to any other locations. I started the test with the remote control with me out of the room. My equipment is remote mounted. Only equipment in the room are the projector, speakers and subs.
post #1724 of 8428
can anyone with the painted finish comment on the durability of the paint?
post #1725 of 8428
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

can anyone with the painted finish comment on the durability of the paint?

It's not as durable as the textured finish but it seems more durable then the standard satin black finish that most other speakers come in.
post #1726 of 8428
So I am getting room treatments. The guy I am working with looks at the pictures and says it is paramount that I get my subs out of the corners. There is a picture earlier on the page for reference. I have two options. Place the speakers on top of the subs, which would move the subs in. Or turn the subs sideways so the driver is pointed out towards the corners, and have it behind the Q8's. Would the second one cause problems with SQ of the subs, and which option do you think is better. After moving the subs the front corners will be treated. I should mention that I have AS-EQ1, which the after graphs say are near perfect flat. I know this question may be better served in the subwoofer forum, but there are alot of knowledgeable people here that seem more helpfull. Thoughts?
post #1727 of 8428
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Originally Posted by fatsow View Post

So I am getting room treatments. The guy I am working with looks at the pictures and says it is paramount that I get my subs out of the corners. ...Thoughts?

Has he come to that conclusion based on measurements or listening to your system?

Louis
post #1728 of 8428
Just room dimensions, pictures, and seating position.
post #1729 of 8428
After all the help everyone gave me I about my mono tri-quintuple 8 setup (try to get that many numerical terms in a row jeez!) I did some creative thinking and found a way to do a proper HT setup without spending more money and also pave the way for a projector when I get more money.

Look for updated pic of the most over the top bedroom on the thread (possible the board) very soon.
post #1730 of 8428
goonstopher,

"over the top"

I dont think that term exists here; more like never enough
post #1731 of 8428
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Originally Posted by bodhisafa View Post

goonstopher,

"over the top"

I dont think that term exists here; more like never enough

Ha... For a bedroom it does, I think. For a theater, you are right
post #1732 of 8428
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Originally Posted by fatsow View Post

Just room dimensions, pictures, and seating position.

Well, I'm hardly an expert but I'd take some measurements before I'd move the subs based on that. A lot of people are very happy with subs in the corners.

Louis
post #1733 of 8428
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Originally Posted by mathelo View Post

well, i'm hardly an expert but i'd take some measurements before i'd move the subs based on that. A lot of people are very happy with subs in the corners.

Louis

+1
post #1734 of 8428
Has everyone got their 2010 T12s yet?
post #1735 of 8428
I received mine, If you are still waiting, it shouldn't be long. Jeff has alot on his plate but he works long and hard to get his products out. Remember Jeff outsources some of his parts so if there is a hold up its on their end and not his.
post #1736 of 8428
I just ordered my 3 x T12's. I can't wait to get hold of these monsters. Jeff says these will be the first to land in Australia. I hope i'm the first of many Aussies to buy the T12's. I'm sure after a few GTG's he should have a new market down under.
post #1737 of 8428
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Originally Posted by orcarola25 View Post

RMK,
I hope you will be able to give some impressions of the DTS-10 compared to the Captivators soon (i.e. by the end of January). That is supposedly how long I have until the DIY kit will be available. I am not going to be able to afford a finished one. The question for me is that since a single DTS-10 is around the same price point (maybe a little steeper) as the Captivator would you need two to match the output and headroom given by that single DTS-10.
How are your Captivators for midbass?

Bump this up...RMK did you ever get a chance to compare?
post #1738 of 8428
Im about to pull the trigger and joining the JTR club. I was wondering if I should go with the trip 8's for LCR or go with the 8's for L and R and use the
Quintuple for the center. Pros and cons would be appreciated. I am replacing Klipsch RF 7's and am currently running Emotiva XPA 5 and XPA 2 along with an Integra 9.9
post #1739 of 8428
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Originally Posted by RICKVALLEJOS View Post

Im about to pull the trigger and joining the JTR club. I was wondering if I should go with the trip 8's for LCR or go with the 8's for L and R and use the
Quintuple for the center. Pros and cons would be appreciated. I am replacing Klipsch RF 7's and am currently running Emotiva XPA 5 and XPA 2 along with an Integra 9.9

I have Q8s for LCR and think they are great but I suspect Q8s are more valuable in the L and R position than center.

My thinking is that most of the bass and midbase is directed to the L and R so the extra support you get in the bass and midbase from the Q8 in the center is lost.

If you could swing it, I'd go with Q8 for L and R and T8 or Q8 for the Center. Alternatively you could just get the T12s.

Louis
post #1740 of 8428
I agree but im trying to stay closer to the $3000 range-unfortunatly
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