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post #2881 of 8265
2/13/11 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by KERMIE
What are some of your guys opinions on monopole vs bipole for your 7.x systems.

I currently have angled bipole for my sides and rear speakers. I don't have a very big room so they work nice. If I went with any of the JTR single 8's they would all be direct and that concerns me a little as I don't know anyone that has a theater to compare to.
I think with modern multichannel soundtracks monopole speakers will always sound better than dipole or bipole surrounds. The dipole/bipole speakers were designed for Dolby Prologic (poorly localizable ambient music or effects) and outlived their usefulness years ago when Dolby Digital came out with discrete surround channels. For the most part low end monopoles may even sound better than high end dipoles with nipples somewhere in between. The second biggest upgrade to my sound after going with T8's for fronts was replacing my bipole surrounds with my old mains. Any of the single 8's as surrounds should be awesome.
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post #2882 of 8265
2/17/11 at 8:41pm
Who here has replaced Klipsch THX Ultra II's with JTR's and what are your thoughts on the change?
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post #2883 of 8265
2/17/11 at 9:20pm
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Who here has replaced Klipsch THX Ultra II's with JTR's and what are your thoughts on the change?

I had the Klipsch RF 83 complete system and my neighbor had the THX Ultra II'S and neither were in the same ballpark. The JTRS sound much fuller with so much more impact.
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post #2884 of 8265
2/18/11 at 5:50am
What do you folks think is the minimum acceptable sub needed to keep up with a pair of Triple 8s or Quintuples? I am considering these for a 2.1 music system in a huge room. The room is nearly 50x23 with 10 foot ceilings, although the listening area is about 27x23. The main question, I guess, is what is a realistic budget for such a sub? Will a $1k sub cut it?
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post #2885 of 8265
2/18/11 at 6:54am
Keeping up with T8's won't be your concern. Keeping up with the sheer volume of space will be. You might make a dent in the requirements with $1k if you build two DIY subs. For out of the box subs, it will take two of the $2k variety to do an average job.
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post #2886 of 8265
2/18/11 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Keeping up with T8's won't be your concern. Keeping up with the sheer volume of space will be. You might make a dent in the requirements with $1k if you build two DIY subs. For out of the box subs, it will take two of the $2k variety to do an average job.

What kinds of music do you listen to? Reason I ask is that if there's nothing you listen to that has really low bass notes(<30hz) then a Growler should do exceptionally well. A Growler goes for $700 and you can get a cheap pro amp for a few hundred and you're there. They're not the prettiest things but I guessing this isn't a living room situation.

Edit: Matt, I'm sorry I had forgotten about your situation when I posted this reply. I posted a different response in your thread in the sub forum.
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post #2887 of 8265
2/18/11 at 8:22am
Will a Growler really keep up with 11,500 cubic feet of volume?

I base my goals on theater use, not music. I want to provide reference level base reasonably flat to at least 20hz. I can do better than that in my room, but that may not be Matt's goals.
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post #2888 of 8265
2/18/11 at 8:31am
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What kinds of music do you listen to? Reason I ask is that if there's nothing you listen to that has really low bass notes(<30hz) then a Growler should do exceptionally well. A Growler goes for $700 and you can get a cheap pro amp for a few hundred and you're there. They're not the prettiest things but I guessing this isn't a living room situation.

We listen to all kinds of music, although I'd say most falls into the general category of "rock". In roughly descending order: classic rock, blues-rock, blues, modern/alternative rock, metal, classical, modern pop, flamenco, trance, jazz.

The Growler web page says the frequency response is 41-125 Hz +/- 3 dB.

Unpowered, the Captivator is actually in my price range. But, would I need to add my own crossover, in addition to an amp? I'm using a Harman Kardon HK-3490 as a pre-amp, and it doesn't provide any bass management.

Edit: this is for a living room, although I personally tend to like the plain look of the JTR stuff. I think the fancy term for it is "understated".
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post #2889 of 8265
2/18/11 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Will a Growler really keep up with 11,500 cubic feet of volume?

I base my goals on theater use, not music. I want to provide reference level base reasonably flat to at least 20hz. I can do better than that in my room, but that may not be Matt's goals.

My goals are music. I do have some pipe organ music, but listen to it maybe a couple times a year. For the vast majority of our listening, I think the bass can start to roll off around 30 Hz and I'd be OK.
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post #2890 of 8265
2/18/11 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by tony123 View Post

Will a Growler really keep up with 11,500 cubic feet of volume?

Um, yeah I think so.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWznxY4CmI4

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I base my goals on theater use, not music. I want to provide reference level base reasonably flat to at least 20hz. I can do better than that in my room, but that may not be Matt's goals.

Well, I gathered from Matt's post that music is much more important to him than ht so I thought a Growler could suffice since it's a little cheaper.

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Unpowered, the Captivator is actually in my price range. But, would I need to add my own crossover, in addition to an amp? I'm using a Harman Kardon HK-3490 as a pre-amp, and it doesn't provide any bass management.

I think the Crown xti amps can set xovers. Also, Behringer is releasing an amp line that has built-in xovers and dsp.

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Originally Posted by matt_garman View Post

My goals are music. I do have some pipe organ music, but listen to it maybe a couple times a year. For the vast majority of our listening, I think the bass can start to roll off around 30 Hz and I'd be OK.

For pipe organ music, you'd need the Cap over the Growler. From what I had read before, the Growler is a great sub for virtually all music. May want to ask Jeff at jtr about that 41hz F3(I thought it was lower).

Another sub I mentioned in your sub thread is the Danley CS30. It doesn't have the output of a Cap(nor does it go as low) but it is smaller(24x15x22). I think it's close to the passive Cap in price.
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post #2891 of 8265
2/18/11 at 9:17am
I didn't read close enough that he had stated his goals.
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post #2892 of 8265
2/18/11 at 6:03pm
Jeff,
Do you have more info about the t8 and s8 such as:
Second and third harmonic distortion levels
On and off axis fr response
Power compression
Impulse response
Thanks
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post #2893 of 8265
2/23/11 at 11:01pm
anyone have any of the Single 8 HT "LP'S" to comment on?
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post #2894 of 8265
2/24/11 at 7:38am
I have some triple 8s on the way and would like to know what is the most reputable 2 or 3 channel amp in the 500-1000 watt 4ohm range to drive these with? Somthing with a little evertyhing as far as sound. I currently have a QSC 2450 that I could use but was wondering if there is something that would make a noticable difference in the sound. Budget is around $1000-$1500 new or preused as this amp will be for the LCRs. Listining postition is going to be 8' and 14' most likely. Thanks all.
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post #2895 of 8265
2/24/11 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by audio0947 View Post

Jeff,
Do you have more info about the t8 and s8 such as:
Second and third harmonic distortion levels
On and off axis fr response
Power compression
Impulse response
Thanks

+1, polar patterns would be best. Anyone have in-room FR graphs they would be willing to share?
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post #2896 of 8265
2/25/11 at 1:21pm
Is the Speaker "Hiss" just part of the deal with High Sensitive speakers.

I am having trouble with the hiss that I never had before.

I unplugged everything from the wall and receiver. I just had the receiver plugged in and the front 3 Triple 8's plugged in. Tried running off the receiver, an emotiva, and crown xti amp. All 3 situations create the same thing.

The problem is if I want to listen to any music (not rock and roll) there is a hiss in the background of any quiet spots in the song.

I have tried cheater plug, Art-DTI, Ebtech Hum Eliminator, dimmer lights, etc... When I hook up my Oppo I get a Hum, If I unhook Oppo and hook up SMS-1, I get a hum.

I even ran pro level speaker wire directly from AVR and Amps to speakers without going through wall and nothing changes

Really frustrating since everything was completely quite before I went with new speakers and pro amps. Now if I hook up everything like it was before, I have Hum and Hiss issues.

Not sure what to do.
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post #2897 of 8265
2/25/11 at 3:37pm
Well, if there was any type of hiss before, your new JTR's are gonna really let you know. FWI I have a full jtr setup and xpa-2 and xpa-5 and don't have hiss that you can hear from over a foot away from the speaker. T12's and S8's
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post #2898 of 8265
2/25/11 at 3:43pm
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Originally Posted by KERMIE View Post

Is the Speaker "Hiss" just part of the deal with High Sensitive speakers.



I have tried cheater plug, Art-DTI, Ebtech Hum Eliminator, dimmer lights, etc... When I hook up my Oppo I get a Hum, If I unhook Oppo and hook up SMS-1, I get a hum.



Not sure what to do.

No.. I've had 104db sensitive speakers before and had no Hiss... now on to the second sentence, I would think a dimmer switch would be the cause and not a solution. No dimmer switch should be on the same circuit.
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post #2899 of 8265
2/25/11 at 5:17pm
The dimmer switch is on a different circuit but all the curcuits are coming from the same sub panel. The dimmer causes a buzz when on but when off it shouldn't cause a problem. I am going to replace them to just switches which sucks but not much I can do.

I ran an extension cord from the AVR to an outlet not tied to the subpanel and still has issues. The only thing connected or plugged into anything is the AVR and LCR. No Amps, CD, DVD....I am puzzeled.
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post #2900 of 8265
3/6/11 at 3:15pm
I see a couple sets of T8's in the classifieds; what are you gentlemen switching to?

I will be listing my JTR gear soon; I'm changing out to go with all JBL Pro Cinema gear:

3ea. JBL 4675C-4LF.
4ea. JBL 8350.

So, what are you guys going to try next?

Larry
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post #2901 of 8265
3/6/11 at 3:59pm
Not sure if I should create a new thread (didn't make sense to do so), so posting here...

I also posted this on the JTR forum:

I have been considering the Single 8HT for a mix of music and movies (say 50/50). The space is not dedicated - it is an open design living/dining/kitchen, approximately 24x25x8...so about 4800 cf). I want to put my funds into a 3.1 setup, and forgo the surrounds for now. Listening position would be about 11' away for movies, and music would vary from 11' to 20' (more for casual listening, but still want the dynamics and quality of a great speaker). I will use an Outlaw 7100 amp (7x100wpc).

Given my space and budget constraints I have two options:

1) LCR Single 8HT, or
2) LR Triple 8HT, and use the stereo effect to create a phantom center for dialog

The speakers would be about 12" from the wall. The L speaker about 4' from the sidewall, with no sidewall from the R speaker. Sub would be an Epik or Rythmik.

Any suggestions on which one would be better? Can I rely on the imaging to provide a solid "center" for dialog or should I go to the 8HT LCR?

Thanks!
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post #2902 of 8265
3/6/11 at 4:39pm
I was a little concerned there hadn't been much activity on this JTR thread recently, then to read people are selling their JTR speakers (actually 3 of 17 listings on this forum) makes me a little nervous.

Ordered my speakers back in Dec, hoping to receive real soon. Keeping the faith.
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post #2903 of 8265
3/6/11 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by kma100 View Post

Not sure if I should create a new thread (didn't make sense to do so), so posting here...

I also posted this on the JTR forum:

I have been considering the Single 8HT for a mix of music and movies (say 50/50). The space is not dedicated - it is an open design living/dining/kitchen, approximately 24x25x8...so about 4800 cf). I want to put my funds into a 3.1 setup, and forgo the surrounds for now. Listening position would be about 11' away for movies, and music would vary from 11' to 20' (more for casual listening, but still want the dynamics and quality of a great speaker). I will use an Outlaw 7100 amp (7x100wpc).

Given my space and budget constraints I have two options:

1) LCR Single 8HT, or
2) LR Triple 8HT, and use the stereo effect to create a phantom center for dialog

The speakers would be about 12" from the wall. The L speaker about 4' from the sidewall, with no sidewall from the R speaker. Sub would be an Epik or Rythmik.

Any suggestions on which one would be better? Can I rely on the imaging to provide a solid "center" for dialog or should I go to the 8HT LCR?

Thanks!

I'm running 888 phantom right now, no issues with adequate coverage for 2 rows of 3 seats.
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post #2904 of 8265
3/6/11 at 5:00pm
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Originally Posted by Kathy View Post

I was a little concerned there hadn't been much activity on this JTR thread recently, then to read people are selling their JTR speakers (actually 3 of 17 listings on this forum) makes me a little nervous.

Ordered my speakers back in Dec, hoping to receive real soon. Keeping the faith.

I think JTR gives a people a real taste of a dynamic speaker. After coming to appreciate the advantage of the new found efficiency it's hard to go back. Once you get a taste then comes exploration into the next level up whether it be 888s to Triple 12s or beyond. They don't do everything perfect but they do a whole lot of things right. Higher up the food chain definitely gets more expensive.
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post #2905 of 8265
3/6/11 at 5:21pm
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I'm running 888 phantom right now, no issues with adequate coverage for 2 rows of 3 seats.

Good to know. Thanks. How about for music? Or is this a HT dedicated space?
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post #2906 of 8265
3/6/11 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by kma100 View Post

Good to know. Thanks. How about for music? Or is this a HT dedicated space?

It is a dedicated space behind an AT screen. Music is no problem-wide sweet spot.
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post #2907 of 8265
3/6/11 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by Kathy View Post

I was a little concerned there hadn't been much activity on this JTR thread recently, then to read people are selling their JTR speakers (actually 3 of 17 listings on this forum) makes me a little nervous.

Ordered my speakers back in Dec, hoping to receive real soon. Keeping the faith.

Rest assured you have nothing to worry about. My for sale ad is only because im a guy who sells all his gear every 9- 10 months. I know its crazy but this is my hobby and I dont have any other bad habits. I am running the Danley DTS 10 subs and have 3 of those. I heard alot about the Danley SH50 and wanted to try them out. They are very expensive. One costs as much as what Im asking for all 3 of my Triple 12's. My theater is shut down so its a good time to make the switch. From what I heard I really like the Triple 12's. Just like anything else you can keep spending alot to get a fraction better.
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post #2908 of 8265
3/6/11 at 7:08pm
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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

It is a dedicated space behind an AT screen. Music is no problem-wide sweet spot.

I have heard his system and his 888's do sound really great for music and do an amazing job with stereo imaging as well as being run with a phantom center. I have never hear speakers have the clarity of his 888's!
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post #2909 of 8265
3/6/11 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by Jrunr View Post

I have never hear speakers have the clarity of his 888's!

You should probobly get out and listen a bit more.
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post #2910 of 8265
3/6/11 at 11:31pm
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Rest assured you have nothing to worry about. My for sale ad is only because im a guy who sells all his gear every 9- 10 months. I know its crazy but this is my hobby and I dont have any other bad habits. I am running the Danley DTS 10 subs and have 3 of those. I heard alot about the Danley SH50 and wanted to try them out. They are very expensive. One costs as much as what Im asking for all 3 of my Triple 12's. My theater is shut down so its a good time to make the switch. From what I heard I really like the Triple 12's. Just like anything else you can keep spending alot to get a fraction better.


Kutlow,
You are going to be in for a treat. I used to own the JTR Triple 12's in my old house. I also had the opportunity to listen to Getech's SH50's this past summer. As dynamic as the JTR's are the Danley's are even more dynamic, have better mid-bass, and have more detail. They are also 2x or 3x the price as well. I must also clarify I had the 2010 models.

Jeff makes some great speakers that can hang with the Danley big boys, very well done.

Jason
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