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post #3121 of 8430
7/14/11 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I agree that you would want a 2nd subwoofer. That should be in priority #1
My room size is similar to you. I have S8 for my surround, and it is "quite enough", given the nature of surround.

Well, I DO know a guy selling some Submersive HP's...
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post #3122 of 8430
7/14/11 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Probably C or D. The room is a little narrow for T8 sides but the new Single 8LP's might work as sides. Cost should be the same as the Slanted 8's.

Of course another option would be to go with D and get a pair of passive Captivators and put you T8 mains on top. That would be an awesome front end ...

Thank for that RMK.
Do you think the Triple 8 LP's could be an option for surrounds or are they unnecessary/overkill for those channels.
I know you have used T8's as side surrounds what did you think of that option for HT. Are the singles a better option.

I will be using this setup for 95% HT and maybe 5% MC music.
I should have mentioned this earlier.


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post #3123 of 8430
7/14/11 at 11:49pm
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I agree with Tedd regarding the second subwoofer. I have a similar room measuring around 19.5 feet long, 16 feet wide, 10 feet tall. My system is 3 T8s, 4 S8 LPs, and 2 Submersives with the older amps but newer DSP programming. Does Mark have any of the gently used smaller plate amps available still? I got 2 Submersives for $3000 plus shipping.

I think that the T8 surrounds are probably overkill if you're mainly watching movies. If you were a big multichannel music guy, the 5 matched T8s would be ideal. The S8s in my very short experience with them will easily handle surround duty and could function as a small LCR in a smaller room.

With regard to T12s vs. T8s, I'm not sure. If budget would have allowed, I'd have gone with T12s. I remember reading on the DIY subforum where several prolific posters espoused the value of 12" woofers for better sound reproduction in the crossover region of 60-100 Hz, even when crossing at 80 Hz. However, some argued that the 8" coaxial was a more optimal waveguide. Much of it was over my head. Members FOH and penngray were very helpful when I shot questions their way prior to finalizing my decision. By the way, the T12s are enormous. I visited Jeff's workshop when he was in the Chicago burbs and had to take a picture next to one.

Good luck whatever you decide to do!

Thanks USCMatt99

Yeah I have spoken to Mark and he does have some used amps available. This was what I was planning on going with.
Perhaps I will see if he can do a deal on two.

Maybe I will look at getting two pairs of S8lp's for surrounds as this should save on shipping.

I think I will go with the T8's a LCR as Tedd suggests as they should be plenty for my room and save some $$$.



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post #3124 of 8430
7/14/11 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Have you looked into Gedlee speakers at all? I'm going to audition some in a few weeks. They have similar sensitivity to the JTR's but go lower, have an excellent frequency response, are designed to be more room friendly than most speakers and supposedly throw a fantastic soundstage. If I like what I hear, I'm going to be replacing my JTR T8's as they really aren't great at music reproduction soundstage and imaging wise. They play loud though.

You could maybe get the Gedlee speakers in kit form cheaper and shipping might be less as well.

I have heard of them but don't know much about them.
Be sure to let us what you think of them after your hear em.


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post #3125 of 8430
7/15/11 at 12:01am
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Originally Posted by Bunga99 View Post

Not sure if you are aware but the JTR Websites in the Forum section under the Annoucement and News section states:

Buy four or more and save an additional 5%.
Buy eight or more and save an additional 10%.

I've never heard the Captivator but only read great reviews on it but if cost is a big issue, you might want to consider RMK's recommendation below and save some $$ while you are at it.

Yeah I saw that earlier.
I will ask to Jeff about this and try and sort out a deal.

I have considered the passive caps, but at $1500 + cost of amps they are not as attractive option to me as the submerives with used amps.
Might have to reconsider though if Mark doesn't get back to me regarding the Submersives.

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post #3126 of 8430
7/15/11 at 12:06am
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I agree that you would want a 2nd subwoofer. That should be in priority #1

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Originally Posted by uscmatt99 View Post

I agree with Tedd regarding the second subwoofer.

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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

get a pair of passive Captivators and put you T8 mains on top. That would be an awesome front end ...

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Originally Posted by Tedd View Post

I'd consider a second subwoofer.

Why do you all suggest a second sub so strongly?
I thought that with a pretty small room like mine a single capable sub (like Submersive or Captivator) would have plenty of output.

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post #3127 of 8430
7/15/11 at 12:43am
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Originally Posted by Jrunr View Post

Well, I DO know a guy selling some Submersive HP's...

We use 240V over here so unfortunately Submersive HP's are out of the question at this stage.


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post #3128 of 8430
7/15/11 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I just got my tracking number for the T8 Sealed! should be here Friday!

You lucky guy, wonder when mine will be coming?
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post #3129 of 8430
7/15/11 at 5:05am
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Originally Posted by gizzykid View Post

Why do you all suggest a second sub so strongly?
I thought that with a pretty small room like mine a single capable sub (like Submersive or Captivator) would have plenty of output.

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A single sub would be fine if you're the only one watching a movie, since you can optimize positioning for the smoothest response at one listening position pretty easily. With room modes, it will be nearly impossible to get a relatively smooth response at multiple seats. The more subs you add, the better the experience for everyone once optimized. You can get massive swings in SPL levels by just moving a sub or your head a couple feet. craigjohn has several great posts about how he optimized his system, and I believe he uses 3 Submersive HPs. In short, the extra sub is to smooth the in-room response at multiple positions, and added headroom is secondary with a sub of this caliber in your room.

Last thing, I am totally happy with my T8 and S8-LP combo right now. And at the levels I usually listen at (up to around -5dB) even the MRX 300 receiver would have sufficed. I think I calculated one time that I can hit reference just with a receiver with a little headroom to avoid compression. If I ever added an amp, I'd go whole hog and add a Wyred 4 Sound multichannel amp. But that's the last thing I'd buy since I really don't think it would add much. Remember that you need to double power to increase your dB by 3. It gets pricey with diminishing returns above 60-100 watts!
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post #3130 of 8430
7/15/11 at 7:08am
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Originally Posted by uscmatt99 View Post

I usually listen at (up to around -5dB) even the MRX 300 receiver would have sufficed. I think I calculated one time that I can hit reference just with a receiver with a little headroom to avoid compression. If I ever added an amp, I'd go whole hog and add a Wyred 4 Sound multichannel amp. But that's the last thing I'd buy since I really don't think it would add much. Remember that you need to double power to increase your dB by 3. It gets pricey with diminishing returns above 60-100 watts!

I agree but ... I have the 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Concert from Madison Square Garden (Bluray, a great system tester) and to get that front row concert feeling on Metallica's Sandman, you need lot's o watts ...

I have the Wyred amp(s) you mentioned and it does make a difference. It will also hasten my inevitable hearing loss ...
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post #3131 of 8430
7/15/11 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I agree but ... I have the 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Concert from Madison Square Garden (Bluray, a great system tester) and to get that front row concert feeling on Metallica's Sandman, you need lot's o watts ...

I have the Wyred amp(s) you mentioned and it does make a difference. It will also hasten my inevitable hearing loss ...

Wow RMK!, how loud are you listening? In my room, I sit around 10 feet from the mains. I should hit 105 dB at the listening position with 80 watts on the Triple 8 accounting for the AT screen attenuation. I have not measured this to confirm. Obviously to go above reference I'd need more power, but I'd like to preserve my hearing Thanks for the Metallica recommendation, I'll have to pick that up. Is it multichannel?
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post #3132 of 8430
7/15/11 at 10:16am
[quote=uscmatt99;20697884]A single sub would be fine if you're the only one watching a movie, since you can optimize positioning for the smoothest response at one listening position pretty easily. With room modes, it will be nearly impossible to get a relatively smooth response at multiple seats. The more subs you add, the better the experience for everyone once optimized. You can get massive swings in SPL levels by just moving a sub or your head a couple feet. craigjohn has several great posts about how he optimized his system, and I believe he uses 3 Submersive HPs. In short, the extra sub is to smooth the in-room response at multiple positions, and added headroom is secondary with a sub of this caliber in your room.

Agree completely. I only have 1 OS-LF, and so I optimize for my "King position" The variation for the 2 seat next to me, about ~1ft apart is about 3-5dB difference. So, if you want to optimize for everyone, then you will want 2 subs... For 2 subs, you do want to stick with the same brands/models. Otherwise, it gets hard to integrate.
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post #3133 of 8430
7/15/11 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by Kathy View Post
You lucky guy, wonder when mine will be coming?
blah, I missed fedex today but I will pick it up tomorrow in the afternoon. I'll snap some pics too.
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post #3134 of 8430
7/15/11 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post
I agree but ... I have the 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Concert from Madison Square Garden (Bluray, a great system tester) and to get that front row concert feeling on Metallica's Sandman, you need lot's o watts ...

I have the Wyred amp(s) you mentioned and it does make a difference. It will also hasten my inevitable hearing loss ...
Once I upgrade to my Red Dragon M1000 monos for my T12's, it made a big difference. I think JTR runs great on pretty much anything but give them the big power and you will be rewarded

Also, did you get your tracking number yet RMK for your T8S's?
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post #3135 of 8430
7/15/11 at 5:02pm
I certainly didn't need a second Servodrive Contrabass for SPL or for headroom.
The second sub fixes room placement issues.
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post #3136 of 8430
7/15/11 at 9:16pm
Thanks for that guys I will definitely look into getting 2 subs into my room.
Any suggestions on eq for the subs?

T8's for LCR and 4 S8's (LP or slant) for surround is the direction I am heading at the moment.

I have uploaded a few extra pics to the below link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6527026...7627191826896/
*EDIT - Link works now

The last few pics show a couple of options of surround placement.
Can any of you fellas give me some feedback on these?

I am pretty restricted with placement of the surrounds as you can see.
I can always mount them on the roof I guess.
If I am not happy with the surrounds I can always use 2 S8's for front height channels instead as RMK has.

Cheers,
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post #3137 of 8430
7/15/11 at 9:30pm
You are under estimating the S8's Grizzykid. They will get louder and sound better than pretty much any commercial speaker you're going to buy in a store. I was at first a bit hesitant about the S8's until I bought the first pair Jeff made. Blown away is a good description.

also you link is dead.
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post #3138 of 8430
7/15/11 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

You are under estimating the S8's Grizzykid. They will get louder and sound better than pretty much any commercial speaker you're going to buy in a store. I was at first a bit hesitant about the S8's until I bought the first pair Jeff made. Blown away is a good description.

It is not so much the surrounds themselves (well maybe a little ) but their placement in my room that I am not sure about.

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also you link is dead.

Fixed.

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post #3139 of 8430
7/15/11 at 10:19pm
It looks to me like they would fit the bill in your room!
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post #3140 of 8430
7/15/11 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

It looks to me like they would fit the bill in your room!

I am a little worried about how close the surround sides and backs are in the first setup option with 4 S8LP's. I dont think I would get the full effect.

Do you rekon that the second option with 2 S8lp's and 2 slant8's would be preferrable?

Or perhaps I could just go a single back channel and go 6.1 (or 6.2) like this:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6527026...7627191826896/

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post #3141 of 8430
7/16/11 at 12:03am
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Originally Posted by uscmatt99 View Post

Wow RMK!, how loud are you listening? In my room, I sit around 10 feet from the mains. I should hit 105 dB at the listening position with 80 watts on the Triple 8 accounting for the AT screen attenuation. I have not measured this to confirm. Obviously to go above reference I'd need more power, but I'd like to preserve my hearing Thanks for the Metallica recommendation, I'll have to pick that up. Is it multichannel?

When the mood strikes I push it into positive territory (like ref +5) but only on rare occasions. I have never used my SPL meter in peak hold mode while doing that and might this weekend just for fun. The R&R Hall of Fame concert has a DTS HD 5.1 audio option and it sounds great.

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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Once I upgrade to my Red Dragon M1000 monos for my T12's, it made a big difference. I think JTR runs great on pretty much anything but give them the big power and you will be rewarded

Also, did you get your tracking number yet RMK for your T8S's?

No tracking number yet but then I didn't ask for one ...
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post #3142 of 8430
7/16/11 at 1:24am
[quote=gizzykid;20701084]Thanks for that guys I will definitely look into getting 2 subs into my room.
Any suggestions on eq for the subs?

You mean how to EQ for 2 subs, or you are asking what equipment you will need?

I personally get the Behringer DSP1124. With the RomeEQ software it can help you to calculate the Q and BW directly, so it is quite convenient. For 2 subs, you usually only need to start playing with phase and then measure FR. There is a whole forum/thread on how to EQ for multiple sub... so make sure you read up. There are also that prefer a totally flat curve, some prefer a knee curve, and some even prefer a steep knee curve (like me ).
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post #3143 of 8430
7/16/11 at 1:52am
What you really need to ask yourself is if you want a compression drivered speaker that close to your seating position?

Another sub eq solution is the QSC DSP-4 or DSP-30.
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post #3144 of 8430
7/16/11 at 4:09am
Yeah I was weighing between either BFD+REW (would have to teach myself how) or Antimode 8033.

I am not sure how the 8033 would handle multiple subs but im guessing if I ended up with 2 subs the DSP1124 would be the better option.
Besides I love tweaking my system so I would probably enjoy playing with the BFD+REW.

What do you guys reckon on surround speaker setup?
Option 1: 4xS8LP
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6527026...7627191826896/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6527026...7627191826896/

Option 2: 2xS8LP, 2xSlant8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6527026...7627191826896/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6527026...7627191826896/

Option 3: 2xS8LP, 1xT8LP (6.1)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6527026...7627191826896/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6527026...7627191826896/

Which would you recommend?


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post #3145 of 8430
7/16/11 at 5:30pm
I got the center today and though I haven't had a chance to listen to it as I had too many other things to do today, tonight is a few movies and time to torment the new T8s. Here are a few pics in the setup. Also is a pic of 1 of 3D signs I had made. They turned out really nice. It's kind of hard to see how the lettering and graphics are raised off the sign but you get the gist of it. 2 of the pics aren't the greatest quality but out camera doesn't take good pics in the light of the HT room.







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post #3146 of 8430
7/16/11 at 7:30pm
Cant wait to hear your impressions and how they compare/blend with the other JTR models.
I should have mine by next weekend if all goes well. I've been pretty patient until I saw the first picture you posted here :


Great Job with this custom sign as well :


Thx,
Claude
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post #3147 of 8430
7/16/11 at 7:31pm
Looks great. That couldn't be any more of a perfect size for my center channel opening, too. I guess I can finally put these speakers on my list.

Does anyone know if there'd be any problems using a sealed T8 for the center and the "regular" T8's for L/r?
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post #3148 of 8430
7/16/11 at 8:51pm
I just finished watching battle of LA and it sounds fantastic! very punchy and the voices are really good! A big step up from the Klipsch RC-64 I had to use before because of size conflicts. It's not as big as I thought, but feels like a brick in your hands, it's heavy for it's size. I'm using T12's as my mains and they blend very very well together. It's seamless. Very happy with it!
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post #3149 of 8430
7/16/11 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post
I just finished watching battle of LA and it sounds fantastic! very punchy and the voices are really good! A big step up from the Klipsch RC-64 I had to use before because of size conflicts. It's not as big as I thought, but feels like a brick in your hands, it's heavy for it's size. I'm using T12's as my mains and they blend very very well together. It's seamless. Very happy with it!
Terrific stuff N8Dogg! Thank You!!

Are you using any kind of EQ like Audyssey for the mains or just level setting everything with an SPL meter?

Also besides blending better with the T12s, how did it compare to the Klipsch in terms of SQ, Dialog Intelligibility, Dynamics.. etc?
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7/16/11 at 11:23pm
The klipsch was no slouch by any means, it was one of the better center I've had but the T8s is more dynamic, feels like it's alive. The Klipsch had it's own unique sound that just sounded different from the JTR stuff. Not better or worse, just different.

I have used Audyssey but since changing the center, I have to redo it. Tonight I watched just level matched. Botht he klipsch and the T8s do human voices very well.
1 of the main things I've really noticed about the JTR's is you can be watching a movie and the dialog and sounds are so life like, I'm constantly thinking someone is in the house or in the basement talking to me, it's kinda creepy but freaking awesome at the same time. My wife says the same thing, she won't watch stuff when I'm not home because she gets scared thinking that someone is upstairs LOL I then proceed to call her a sissy and make fun of her
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