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1/30/12 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Wow ... I don't doubt that it "sounds great!"

How large is the room and do you have photos you would share?

The room is ~27' x 21' (4300 Cubic Feet)

Two SubMersives are behind the screen wall, and two are just in front of the surround speakers. Attached are some pictures.

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post #3632 of 8265
1/30/12 at 8:48pm
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The room is ~27' x 21' (4300 Cubic Feet)

Two SubMersives are behind the screen wall, and two are just in front of the surround speakers. Attached are some pictures.

Mark

Wow!!!! That's gotta sound nuts. Nice room
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post #3633 of 8265
1/31/12 at 5:15am
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Wow!!!! That's gotta sound nuts. Nice room

Thanks for the compliment. I may be nuts, but I am glad it sounds nuts. Would you believe they were a blind buy? I relied upon the many accolades showered upon JTR Speakers over time in this thread.

I will take a picture of the rear part of the room, as it was a bit messy at the time. I know my DIY projector sound masking system (which you can see in one photo) does not look good, but it helps to keep the noise down.

Mark
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post #3634 of 8265
1/31/12 at 6:13am
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I have 7 each 2011 T12HT-LP's (L, C, R, Wides, Surrounds) and 4 each 2011 Slanted 8's (Heights and Rear Surrounds) with four SubMersive HP's.

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The room is ~27' x 21' (4300 Cubic Feet)

Two SubMersives are behind the screen wall, and two are just in front of the surround speakers. Attached are some pictures.

Mark

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post #3635 of 8265
1/31/12 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

The room is ~27' x 21' (4300 Cubic Feet)

Two SubMersives are behind the screen wall, and two are just in front of the surround speakers. Attached are some pictures.

Mark

Thanks for posting the photo's Mark . I've heard Fuguness's quad Submersives and so I have a pretty good idea how incredible your system sounds. Those subs plus the Triple 12's & S8's and your electronics puts you at the very top of the HT audio food chain.

Are you using XT-32 for EQ?
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1/31/12 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

The room is ~27' x 21' (4300 Cubic Feet)

Two SubMersives are behind the screen wall, and two are just in front of the surround speakers. Attached are some pictures.

Mark

That is the most awesome overkill, or should I say perfect-kill, JTR/Seaton setup I've ever seen. Coming from a more modest 3 Triple8 and 4 Single8 setup with 2 Submersives, I'd love a demo of your room. I'm not terribly familiar with how to currently utilize 11.1 setups. How are you playing back lossless 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 tracks on your setup? I love what I've got, but can only imagine the additional immersion with heights and wides. I guess I'd move the Triple8s to surround and wide duty, move the Single8s from the sides to heights, and pick up 1 more Triple8 and 3 more Triple12s.
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post #3637 of 8265
1/31/12 at 8:16am
It is about room size. I have never heard a system with 11.1 but what does it actually do over a 7.1 system with the same speakers? Are there specs for where the heights and wide channels should be placed? I saw someone posted 60 degrees but that is all I have. I think my AVR does 9.1 though and not wides, just heights but I can't see little height speakers helping.
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post #3638 of 8265
1/31/12 at 8:31am
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It is about room size. I have never heard a system with 11.1 but what does it actually do over a 7.1 system with the same speakers? Are there specs for where the heights and wide channels should be placed? I saw someone posted 60 degrees but that is all I have. I think my AVR does 9.1 though and not wides, just heights but I can't see little height speakers helping.

Well with a 7' ceiling height you are a bit constricted height wise. My 9' ceiling is adequate for height speakers but 10' would be even better. Maybe I just like tall rooms. I do not have the space for proper wide speaker placement but have been using heights for over a year and while the effect is subtile, i like it. I have tried Dolby Height, DSX and now Neo-X. Not a noticable difference but I prefer the overall surround sound effects of Neo-X so that is the flavor of the month.

Re the DSX "specs" this Audioholics article pretty well sums it up.
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post #3639 of 8265
1/31/12 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Thanks for posting the photo's Mark . I've heard Fuguness's quad Submersives and so I have a pretty good idea how incredible your system sounds. Those subs plus the Triple 12's & S8's and your electronics puts you at the very top of the HT audio food chain.

Are you using XT-32 for EQ?

Rob,

I am using Audyssey MultEQ XT-32 for EQ.

Mark
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post #3640 of 8265
1/31/12 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by uscmatt99 View Post

That is the most awesome overkill, or should I say perfect-kill, JTR/Seaton setup I've ever seen. Coming from a more modest 3 Triple8 and 4 Single8 setup with 2 Submersives, I'd love a demo of your room. I'm not terribly familiar with how to currently utilize 11.1 setups. How are you playing back lossless 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 tracks on your setup? I love what I've got, but can only imagine the additional immersion with heights and wides. I guess I'd move the Triple8s to surround and wide duty, move the Single8s from the sides to heights, and pick up 1 more Triple8 and 3 more Triple12s.

Thanks Matt!

I add Dolby Pro Logic IIx post-processing on top of the 5.1 audio track to create the rear-surround speaker content, and then I use Audyssey DSX post-processing to generate the Wide and Height speaker content.

I have noticed the infrequent incidents where DSX places voices in the Wide or Height channels (not sure which it is) with some panned dialogue. I think that sums up the issue, but if you want to know more, you will have to visit the Audyssey thread.

Mark
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post #3641 of 8265
1/31/12 at 10:35am
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Well with a 7' ceiling height you are a bit constricted height wise. My 9' ceiling is adequate for height speakers but 10' would be even better. Maybe I just like tall rooms. I do not have the space for proper wide speaker placement but have been using heights for over a year and while the effect is subtile, i like it. I have tried Dolby Height, DSX and now Neo-X. Not a noticable difference but I prefer the overall surround sound effects of Neo-X so that is the flavor of the month.

Re the DSX "specs" this Audioholics article pretty well sums it up.

My ceiling is 7'-9", If memory serves, and I definitely noticed the difference when adding the height channels. If the recommended 45-degree azimuth and 45-degree elevation of the height channels (from the MLP) is impractical (in most rooms, probably), then Audyssey recommends placing them as high as possible on the front wall.

My placement of the height channels is right on the 45-degree azimuth, as far back as I could go. I did not check the elevation angle, but it is probably no greater than 30 degrees.

Mark
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post #3642 of 8265
1/31/12 at 11:06am
Thanks guys, my speakers are small enough to use 11 so that maybe in my future. I am using an Elite SC-37 so it only has height channels for now. Maybe I will put another pair of DR-200's up there. With my short ceilings though all the speakers will still be behind the screen.
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1/31/12 at 11:25am
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Thanks Matt!

I add Dolby Pro Logic IIx post-processing on top of the 5.1 audio track to create the rear-surround speaker content, and then I use Audyssey DSX post-processing to generate the Wide and Height speaker content.

I have noticed the infrequent incidents where DSX places voices in the Wide or Height channels (not sure which it is) with some panned dialogue. I think that sums up the issue, but if you want to know more, you will have to visit the Audyssey thread.

Mark

Thanks for the explanation Mark. I didn't realize that there were receivers/processors with 11 channels out that could all be used at the same time. I currently use an Anthem MRX 500, which allows 7.1 with either rear surrounds or front height speakers. I really like what I hear with ARC employed, but can't help thinking that wides in particular would be a great addition. The gap between L and R mains and side surrounds is big enough that I can localize the surrounds. But I'm not a fan of dipole surrounds. I'm guessing that the wides fill the gap nicely for pans.

Out of curiosity, have you ever A-B'd your own system with the rears vs. wides active in 9.1?
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post #3644 of 8265
1/31/12 at 11:50am
My setup of Quintuples for LRC and Triple 8's for L&R + RS (7.1) works better for me than using the wides or heights (did have wides setup and didn't care for them as it took away from the mains). If you want to use the wides or heights, you can use the virtual speakers. Just about the same effect with the Pioneer SC-57.

Bill
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post #3645 of 8265
1/31/12 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by uscmatt99 View Post

Thanks for the explanation Mark. I didn't realize that there were receivers/processors with 11 channels out that could all be used at the same time.

Only one, the Denon AVP-A1HDCI(A)
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post #3646 of 8265
1/31/12 at 1:34pm
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Out of curiosity, have you ever A-B'd your own system with the rears vs. wides active in 9.1?

No, I have not.
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post #3647 of 8265
1/31/12 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Only one, the Denon AVP-A1HDCI(A)

I have a Denon AVR-4311 CI that does both Wides and Heights; but it only has nine amp channels, so you need at least two channels of external amplification.

Mark
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post #3648 of 8265
1/31/12 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post


I have a Denon AVR-4311 CI that does both Wides and Heights; but it only has nine amp channels, so you need at least two channels of external amplification.

Mark

Good to know, thanks.
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post #3649 of 8265
2/1/12 at 8:52am
The T8's have a lot of appeal to me. How does the speaker handle the mid-range without having a dedicated tweater(s)?
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post #3650 of 8265
2/1/12 at 10:05am
The T8's excel at Midrange. Its one of its best qualities IMO.
It does have its own tweeter as well, its just mounted behind the dust cover of the midrange driver. see pic below.



Here's some other useful info.
http://jtrspeakers.com/2009/12/tripl...r-explanation/
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post #3651 of 8265
2/1/12 at 2:33pm
thanks RMK!

I have 2 Way Triple 8HT's , I plan on going for surround..
I mostly prefer watching movies really loud , my T8's hold quite well but if the triple 12HT are even the slightest bit more dynamic or better with vocals..
I'll have to aim for LCR Triple 12HT's then.. the difference in weight is nearly double :S
But is the difference between a Triple 8HT noticeable compared to the Triple 12HT and if so according to you by what % and in which area ?

What are the differences between the Triple 12HT vs the Triple 12HTLP or Triple 8HT vs the Triple 8HTLP?? the website says they both weigh the same except tho there are differences between the Triple 8's weight , while all the rest all seem pretty much the same ...
Which type would be a superior sounding product for an average sized room..

Also the single 8 is @ 8ohms , wont this be a problem for those planning on running different ohm rated speakers like the 4ohms larger speakers on the same rig ?


thanks in advance
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post #3652 of 8265
2/2/12 at 7:42am
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Originally Posted by Rexxen View Post

thanks RMK!

I have 2 Way Triple 8HT's , I plan on going for surround..
I mostly prefer watching movies really loud , my T8's hold quite well but if the triple 12HT are even the slightest bit more dynamic or better with vocals..
I'll have to aim for LCR Triple 12HT's then.. the difference in weight is nearly double :S
But is the difference between a Triple 8HT noticeable compared to the Triple 12HT and if so according to you by what % and in which area ?

What are the differences between the Triple 12HT vs the Triple 12HTLP or Triple 8HT vs the Triple 8HTLP?? the website says they both weigh the same except tho there are differences between the Triple 8's weight , while all the rest all seem pretty much the same ...
Which type would be a superior sounding product for an average sized room..

Also the single 8 is @ 8ohms , wont this be a problem for those planning on running different ohm rated speakers like the 4ohms larger speakers on the same rig ?


thanks in advance

In a medium (<3000cf)) sized room the differences between the T12 and T8's would be less noticeable. The 12's have a more LF extension and more midbass so they have more punch in those all important frequencies when played very loud. As you noted, they are also a lot heavier so if you plan on moving them around you may need help .

I haven't heard the T12LP's but being they are probably a little more position flexible i.e. better for baffle wall mounting. Also, their smaller size makes them less obtrusive for in room use. My guess is that the overall performance is very close to the vented T12HT's.

Regarding the S8's , they use the same compression driver as the other JTR's and so have similar sound and being 8ohm simply means they are easier to drive. That is a good characteristic for a surround speaker as they do much less work than the mains.
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post #3653 of 8265
2/2/12 at 6:36pm
RMK! your simply amazing and I can clearly say it's decent guys like you who manage the internet making it worthy!!
thanks a million !
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post #3654 of 8265
2/2/12 at 8:08pm
+1 to what RMK said.

Straight from Jeff (paraphrased), The HT-LP speakers benefit from room gain, as they have a less pronounced mid and low. That goes for 8s and 12s. The HTs, Jeff says, could be troublesome (might get boomy) if placed in a corner and not EQed because they already have such a strong low and midrange.
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post #3655 of 8265
2/2/12 at 8:27pm
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

The room is ~27' x 21' (4300 Cubic Feet)

Two SubMersives are behind the screen wall, and two are just in front of the surround speakers. Attached are some pictures.

Mark

Your side and back speaker are the same size as your front speaker?

But the side and back speaker pay very very little role in movie. All I hear is faint background noice and maybe a ocassional sound here and there. Yes or no?
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2/3/12 at 5:10am
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Your side and back speaker are the same size as your front speaker?

But the side and back speaker pay very very little role in movie. All I hear is faint background noice and maybe a ocassional sound here and there. Yes or no?

Chong,

Here is what I have: 7 each 2011 T12HT-LP's (L, C, R, Wides, Surrounds) and 4 each 2011 Slanted 8's (Heights and Rear Surrounds) with four SubMersive HP's.

So, my Surrounds (TH12HT-LP) and Rear Surround (aka Surround Back) speakers (Slanted 8's) are different. I really debated the need for the TH12HT-LP's as surround speakers, but they did not cost that much more than the Slanted 8's, so I went for it.

Mark
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2/3/12 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

The room is ~27' x 21' (4300 Cubic Feet)

Two SubMersives are behind the screen wall, and two are just in front of the surround speakers. Attached are some pictures.

Mark

Interesting.

It looks like the T12's coax has a foam bit attached to the base of the cone.

How thick is that foam?

I wonder if that helps with diffraction issues.
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post #3658 of 8265
2/3/12 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by Rexxen View Post

RMK! your simply amazing and I can clearly say it's decent guys like you who manage the internet making it worthy!!
thanks a million !

Still waiting for that first paycheck for my Internet Management

But seriously, you are very welcome. Sharing information (and some laughs) with fellow crazies is what makes this Forum fun for me.

Glad you like your Triple 8's, they are an awesome speaker for the money.
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post #3659 of 8265
2/3/12 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

Interesting.

It looks like the T12's coax has a foam bit attached to the base of the cone.

How thick is that foam?

I wonder if that helps with diffraction issues.

You want me to touch it?!?

Mark
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2/3/12 at 2:53pm
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You want me to touch it?!?

Mark

Yes, but no fondling and report back ...
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