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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

...or a rocket scientist.

Brain surgeon.
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Can someone please tell me what the dimensions are of the single 8ht with the center of the driver included? Like from the base to the center of the driver equals ___".
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has anyone ever tried replacing the Binding Posts with Speakon? I am considering doing that but no idea if it is easily feasible.
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

has anyone ever tried replacing the Binding Posts with Speakon? I am considering doing that but no idea if it is easily feasible.

Why do you want to do this, are you planning on DJ'ing? Is is easy to add a speakon connector to the amp end of the speaker wire.
post #4205 of 8428
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

Can someone please tell me what the dimensions are of the single 8ht with the center of the driver included? Like from the base to the center of the driver equals ___".

8" from the bottom to the middle including the vent
6" from the top to the middle with the vent being on the bottom.

I just measured mine.
post #4206 of 8428
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Why do you want to do this, are you planning on DJ'ing? Is is easy to add a speakon connector to the amp end of the speaker wire.

I'm not too sure myself, just wanted to know if anyone has done it, worried that kids running around might try to unplug my stuff.
post #4207 of 8428
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

I'm not too sure myself, just wanted to know if anyone has done it, worried that kids running around might try to unplug my stuff.

If you discard the banana plugs, use bare wire and gently crank those big mutha binding posts down, that should kid proof them and you will have a better connection.
post #4208 of 8428
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

8" from the bottom to the middle including the vent
6" from the top to the middle with the vent being on the bottom.

I just measured mine.

Thanks so much! I had to place these for height speakers in the baffle wall.
post #4209 of 8428
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Yes, each subsequent measurement go-around from each mic position pings Sub1 then Sub 2. They may both be emitting the pink noise (if that is what it is) at the same time but Sub 1 &2 each play a tone on each measurement.

Now you have me wondering as the second sub thump (I think it is 5 thumps each ) is my cue to go into the room and move the mic.

BTW, sold my Pro Kit with my Integra 80.1 and I don't they have it working with the 80.3 yet.

Moved some subs around to try and get a better natural response at the MLP and had to re-run XT32. This time I paid close attention and on the first measurement it pings sub 1, then sub 2 then a 3rd ping which is for both subs at the same time. On the second measurement I stayed close to the door opening so I could hear the back and front subs. When it got to the subs it pinged them only once and both subs got the same signal. On the 3rd measurement I was able to see the screen from the stairs which highlights the speaker or subs being measured at the time. When it got to the subs they were both highlighted indicating they were both being measured at the same time.

BTW, I sold my Pro kit as well. I just didn't notice enough of a difference to justify the hassle of setting up the pro each time I had to do a new calibration. I really didn't notice a difference at all with movies, just music.
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post


Moved some subs around to try and get a better natural response at the MLP and had to re-run XT32. This time I paid close attention and on the first measurement it pings sub 1, then sub 2 then a 3rd ping which is for both subs at the same time. On the second measurement I stayed close to the door opening so I could hear the back and front subs. When it got to the subs it pinged them only once and both subs got the same signal. On the 3rd measurement I was able to see the screen from the stairs which highlights the speaker or subs being measured at the time. When it got to the subs they were both highlighted indicating they were both being measured at the same time.

BTW, I sold my Pro kit as well. I just didn't notice enough of a difference to justify the hassle of setting up the pro each time I had to do a new calibration. I really didn't notice a difference at all with movies, just music.

Humm, what AVR/SSP are you using?
post #4211 of 8428
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Humm, what AVR/SSP are you using?

Onkyo 5508, bascially the same as the Integra 80.2
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

So I am calibrating my friends JTR triple 8LP's and dual Cap1000's yesterday and his IT guy was using the computer to program the processor. I walk out and he was playing the Beatles and he looks at me and says, this does not sound like music, there is no bass and you can't feel it. We were also sitting at the bar under their in ceiling paradigm speakers but all speakers were on. I looked at him and said, wait a minute, you are playing the Beatles, what is the source? He replied I-pod, I said why do you guys keep using these cheap sources for music that have no bass! Let me throw in a CD or something. He said he wants all his sources to sound good and I said he has a better chance of meeting Jesus!

The Beatles weren't really known for their bass-heavy music anyway. Even their lossless audio tracks are lacking in bass. That was one of Paul's complaints - need more bass drum.

So it really is the source at fault here. As in the source material, not the iPod. A Beatles CD wouldn't fare much better.

Bass-heavy songs have no lack of good bass through my iPod.
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

Onkyo 5508, bascially the same as the Integra 80.2

That's interesting ... I have to wonder why I'm seeing a different EQ process on an Integra . I will run Audyssey again and look at the specific sequence to confirm my recall of the process.
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Originally Posted by the Son View Post

The Beatles weren't really known for their bass-heavy music anyway. Even their lossless audio tracks are lacking in bass. That was one of Paul's complaints - need more bass drum.

So it really is the source at fault here. As in the source material, not the iPod. A Beatles CD wouldn't fare much better.

Bass-heavy songs have no lack of good bass through my iPod.

This is what I have been trying to tell my friend!
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Hey MK, I read your thread about your pro JBL stuff, but I didn't really see a whole lot about your comparison with the JTR Trip8's. I'm thinking about getting some Trip8's, but your thread compelled me to look at some of the JBL Pro stuff, mainly the 3722n, 3732T, and the 4722. Which model did you specifically have in your setup? (I know it isn't one of these)

I sent you a pm, not sure if you've gotten it yet though. What was the soundstage like for the JBL vs the JTRs?
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Originally Posted by Jindrak View Post

Hey MK, I read your thread about your pro JBL stuff, but I didn't really see a whole lot about your comparison with the JTR Trip8's. I'm thinking about getting some Trip8's, but your thread compelled me to look at some of the JBL Pro stuff, mainly the 3722n, 3732T, and the 4722. Which model did you specifically have in your setup? (I know it isn't one of these)

I sent you a pm, not sure if you've gotten it yet though. What was the soundstage like for the JBL vs the JTRs?

I have the same question with the JBL LSR 6332s. Thanks!
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Well this sucks! I need to get a new car which means...getting new tires (factory tires pretty sketchy) rims with snow tires, tint and 3M clear-bra ......so triple 12's will have to wait till next spring/summer

It was either the triple 12's or an Epson 6010.......6010 wins.
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Well Jeff finally got me my new crossovers that fit and compression drivers for my 2010 T8s. Rewired and installed last Friday night. Got my EAD pre/pro back from Noble with all balanced outputs, and positioned and hooked up both Orbit Shifters. Running all decoding through Oppo 95 > EAD analog passthrough, balanced outputs to a Wyred4Sound mult ch amp. Now my room is terrible......spare small bedroom and square.....maybe 12x10....no treatments and no EQ capability. It still sounds amazing and can't wait to get this whole kit into a dedicated room done right. Combined I'm running the OSs at about 78-79dB, one on each midpoint side wall. They crush me and never even a clip light blink when listening as loud as I can stand....they cause me to wince! lol My seating will be a big bean bag lounger up against back wall

I know N8 was able to unload his old stuff........so I have 3 crossovers and 3 compression drivers from early 2010 Triple8s available if anyone is interested.
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Originally Posted by Crabalocker View Post

Well this sucks! I need to get a new car which means...getting new tires (factory tires pretty sketchy) rims with snow tires, tint and 3M clear-bra ......so triple 12's will have to wait till next spring/summer

It was either the triple 12's or an Epson 6010.......6010 wins.

At least you have something to look forward to I'm getting the 6010 also once the theater room is complete. I can't wait!
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Originally Posted by KevinH View Post

Well Jeff finally got me my new crossovers that fit and compression drivers for my 2010 T8s. Rewired and installed last Friday night. Got my EAD pre/pro back from Noble with all balanced outputs, and positioned and hooked up both Orbit Shifters. Running all decoding through Oppo 95 > EAD analog passthrough, balanced outputs to a Wyred4Sound mult ch amp. Now my room is terrible......spare small bedroom and square.....maybe 12x10....no treatments and no EQ capability. It still sounds amazing and can't wait to get this whole kit into a dedicated room done right. Combined I'm running the OSs at about 78-79dB, one on each midpoint side wall. They crush me and never even a clip light blink when listening as loud as I can stand....they cause me to wince! lol My seating will be a big bean bag lounger up against back wall

I know N8 was able to unload his old stuff........so I have 3 crossovers and 3 compression drivers from early 2010 Triple8s available if anyone is interested.

That's good Kevin. IMAX sound in a small room ...

I received the new modified crossovers for my T12 LCR's this week. Jeff designed and assembles these himself. They are very well made especially when compared to photos of other crossovers I have seen used in some "audiophile" speakers.

Don't know when I will have the time to install them but probably not for a couple of weeks. Do you notice a difference with the new CD and Xover?
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

At least you have something to look forward to I'm getting the 6010 also once the theater room is complete. I can't wait!

Please post what you think about the 6010 (i am assuming it's the epson 6010 projector). I am currently considering both the 5010 and the panasonic 7000... not sure which to get yet.

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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That's good Kevin. IMAX sound in a small room ...

I received the new modified crossovers for my T12 LCR's this week. Jeff designed and assembles these himself. They are very well made especially when compared to photos of other crossovers I have seen used in some "audiophile" speakers.

Don't know when I will have the time to install them but probably not for a couple of weeks. Do you notice a difference with the new CD and Xover?

Can't wait to hear your review on the newest t12s...
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post


That's good Kevin. IMAX sound in a small room ...

I received the new modified crossovers for my T12 LCR's this week. Jeff designed and assembles these himself. They are very well made especially when compared to photos of other crossovers I have seen used in some "audiophile" speakers.

Don't know when I will have the time to install them but probably not for a couple of weeks. Do you notice a difference with the new CD and Xover?

To tell the truth RMK, no. But I haven't really listened to any music yet, which will be the easiest way to tell. Plus in this little room, it might be impossible to discern any differences. It took me about 3 hours to do all three, including rewiring a couple of the disconnects on each speaker, and taking some breaks to give my back a rest. You'll have a bigger space to work in so it should go smoothly for you. I sliced n scratched my hands up pretty good working in the smaller 2010 T8 cab bottom. At least in my cabs, the wire bundles from the binding posts to the crossover(single red input and black bundle negatives) didn't have much slack at all......so test fit the connections before you screw down the new xovers to make sure you can get the appropriate disconnects down on their posts. Funny things is....you might have a tad bit of trouble unscrewing and then screwing in the new CDs......those magnets are STRONG! Lol
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Please post what you think about the 6010 (i am assuming it's the epson 6010 projector). I am currently considering both the 5010 and the panasonic 7000... not sure which to get yet.

Yes, I'm talking about the Epson Pro Cinema 6010.

I was in the same boat until I read that some of the parts for the Panasonic are made by Epson.

What size screen are you going with? The Epson has a bit more light output and from what I've read, the black levels are a bit better on the Epson. The only thing I THINK was said to be a tad better on the Panasonic is the 3D performance for black levels. Something about the dynamic Iris can't be turned on in 3D mode on the Epson but it can be turned on with the Panasonic in 3D mode. I'm sure its somewhat subjective as well. Both are awesome, but I'll certainly give you my thoughts on the projector once I get it.
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

Yes, I'm talking about the Epson Pro Cinema 6010.

I was in the same boat until I read that some of the parts for the Panasonic are made by Epson.

What size screen are you going with? The Epson has a bit more light output and from what I've read, the black levels are a bit better on the Epson. The only thing I THINK was said to be a tad better on the Panasonic is the 3D performance for black levels. Something about the dynamic Iris can't be turned on in 3D mode on the Epson but it can be turned on with the Panasonic in 3D mode. I'm sure its somewhat subjective as well. Both are awesome, but I'll certainly give you my thoughts on the projector once I get it.

I am thinking of 16:9 ratio with a width of 120-140 inches. WIll have to decide when the house reno starts.

This is what I heard:

The panasonic have sublime 2d and really good 3d as well, so long as i guess the screen size is not too big. It's also feature rich like lens memory.

The epson is much brighter and can support bigger screens, but loses out to the panasonic in both 2d and 3d... and also much louder and can be distracting.

But everything is from what others say on another thread...
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

I am thinking of 16:9 ratio with a width of 120-140 inches. WIll have to decide when the house reno starts.

This is what I heard:

The panasonic have sublime 2d and really good 3d as well, so long as i guess the screen size is not too big. It's also feature rich like lens memory.

The epson is much brighter and can support bigger screens, but loses out to the panasonic in both 2d and 3d... and also much louder and can be distracting.

But everything is from what others say on another thread...

I would take that with a grain of salt. I've read that the 2D performanc is better on the Epson and the 3D may be slightly better on the Panasonic. I've seen the Epson 6010 in action and it looked amazing. Not to mention it was in eco mode on a 103 inch screen with the lights on and the picture was still beautiful and clear as day. For that size screen, I'd definitely say the Epson would be the better choice for you. Even IF the Pansonic did have a better picture, I doubt that would change once you step up to screen sizes like your considering. Not bashing the Panny, but my money is on the Epson.

Give this a read:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/proj...5010/index.php

I'd give the Pro Cinema 6010 some consideration also. It's $1000 more but comes with nearly $1000 dollars worth of accessories the 5010 doesn't come with like 3D glasses, ceiling mount, spare lamp etc AND has a longer warranty, and is THX certified and THX mode out of the box is supposed to be very very good.
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

I would take that with a grain of salt. I've read that the 2D performanc is better on the Epson and the 3D may be slightly better on the Panasonic. I've seen the Epson 6010 in action and it looked amazing. Not to mention it was in eco mode on a 103 inch screen with the lights on and the picture was still beautiful and clear as day. For that size screen, I'd definitely say the Epson would be the better choice for you. Even IF the Pansonic did have a better picture, I doubt that would change once you step up to screen sizes like your considering. Not bashing the Panny, but my money is on the Epson.

Give this a read:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/proj...5010/index.php

I'd give the Pro Cinema 6010 some consideration also. It's $1000 more but comes with nearly $1000 dollars worth of accessories the 5010 doesn't come with like 3D glasses, ceiling mount, spare lamp etc AND has a longer warranty, and is THX certified and THX mode out of the box is supposed to be very very good.

Yes, I read both the projectorreviews and projectorcentral...

here's one from trusted reviews:


"The optical changes Panasonic has introduced with an eye to 3D actually have a profound impact on its 2D images, giving them a level of dynamism, colour intensity and contrast that's unprecedented on any LCD projector we've seen to date.

Images are so bright, for instance, even using the Cinema modes, that in a dark room they almost slap you in the face. And they're even bright enough to be enjoyed with a little ambient light around - though obviously we would never recommend this."

Basically they gave the panasonic 10/10 for 2d, and 8/10 for 3d, but gave the epson 9/10 for both 2d/3d.

I am also considering the Epson... and definitely a toss up... but I kept going back to it's noise problem reported by some reviews and some people who purchased it and then returned it because it's just too distracting while watching a movie.

"We also found the projector running slightly noisily in its Normal light output mode, making the Eco mode the much preferred option so long as you get your room decently dark. We'd also urge caution with the dynamic iris option, for while this can slightly improve the apparent contrast, it also causes a minor sporadic burring' noise from the projector - "

Anyways, thanks for the input.. .everything goes into my decision making process.
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Yes, I read both the projectorreviews and projectorcentral...

here's one from trusted reviews:


"The optical changes Panasonic has introduced with an eye to 3D actually have a profound impact on its 2D images, giving them a level of dynamism, colour intensity and contrast that's unprecedented on any LCD projector we've seen to date.

Images are so bright, for instance, even using the Cinema modes, that in a dark room they almost slap you in the face. And they're even bright enough to be enjoyed with a little ambient light around - though obviously we would never recommend this."

Basically they gave the panasonic 10/10 for 2d, and 8/10 for 3d, but gave the epson 9/10 for both 2d/3d.

I am also considering the Epson... and definitely a toss up... but I kept going back to it's noise problem reported by some reviews and some people who purchased it and then returned it because it's just too distracting while watching a movie.

"We also found the projector running slightly noisily in its Normal light output mode, making the Eco mode the much preferred option so long as you get your room decently dark. We'd also urge caution with the dynamic iris option, for while this can slightly improve the apparent contrast, it also causes a minor sporadic burring' noise from the projector - "

Anyways, thanks for the input.. .everything goes into my decision making process.

That's funny, I actually heard the opposite. One thing is true though, they are both fantastic projectors. I think you may benefit from the extra brightness on the Epson, but other then that, I don't think you can go wrong.

As far as the noise goes, I didn't hear a sound coming from the 6010. I'd imagine the 5010 is about the same. Any local places around that can demo one for you?
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Originally Posted by Blackdevil77 View Post

That's funny, I actually heard the opposite. One thing is true though, they are both fantastic projectors. I think you may benefit from the extra brightness on the Epson, but other then that, I don't think you can go wrong.

As far as the noise goes, I didn't hear a sound coming from the 6010. I'd imagine the 5010 is about the same. Any local places around that can demo one for you?

I think the noise is probably a problem in normal or bright mode...

But you're right, they are both fantastic projectors, that's why it's so hard to choose from reviews... I have yet to find one in my country so can't view it for myself yet. Also, I guess the screen type would make a difference...
post #4229 of 8428
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

I think the noise is probably a problem in normal or bright mode...

But you're right, they are both fantastic projectors, that's why it's so hard to choose from reviews... I have yet to find one in my country so can't view it for myself yet. Also, I guess the screen type would make a difference...

Might want to give the BenQ w7000 a look as well. Head to head it is quite similar to the panny and the epson and Ive actually heard others prefer it over either due to the DLP 6x speed color which takes care of any problems with RBE.
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RMK, just got my front 12lp's today. Listened to some music without any EQ calibration,just a quick spl read for level, and wow! love what i heard, these speakers are very dynamic. They sure play loud high sens. Will post some pictures of my setup, i need to figure out how to download photos to the forum site .
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