Official JTR speaker thread - Page 143

Originally Posted by MX48

I know it can be a pain but you guys should really get REW or an Omnimic or similar. It is a real eye opener as to what you are hearing, where your peaks and valleys are in your frequency response and what your personal listening preferences are.

It is definitely worth the time to implement it. Once you start running graphs it can become addictive tho .

I am guessing you are correct in that the "edginess" is from a peak in the voicing area, but you may be cutting way more than need be. You won't know until you run graphs. Of course if you are happy with it now there is something to be said for not digging too deep .

Moto

Originally Posted by MX48

I know it can be a pain but you guys should really get REW or an Omnimic or similar. It is a real eye opener as to what you are hearing, where your peaks and valleys are in your frequency response and what your personal listening preferences are.

It is definitely worth the time to implement it. Once you start running graphs it can become addictive tho .

I am guessing you are correct in that the "edginess" is from a peak in the voicing area, but you may be cutting way more than need be. You won't know until you run graphs. Of course if you are happy with it now there is something to be said for not digging too deep .

Moto

Originally Posted by mojomike

After a little bit of mild midrange tweaking, I'm now loving my JTR's.

Originally Posted by mojomike

After several weeks of listening critically to music in particular through my T8 pair, I've come to realize what a big difference a db or two in midrange can make. To me, the mids in the T8's seem somewhat prominent. This seems to be the case even after Audyssey is applied. With really well-recorded material, this can sound great. If there are any rough spots in the recording, they stand out like a sore thumb. I have a huge collection of music, some which are not necessarily state-of-the-art recordings. I'm a hard-core blues guy and there are a lot of excellent blues recording made over the last half-century or longer. The music is great, but sometimes the recordings themselves, not so much. The T8's show them for what they are, warts and all.

What I also found is that with that strong midrange, it makes for very strong vocals, placing the image of the vocalist somewhat forward of the stage. This sort of imaging can seem to actually detract from the presentation of a wide stage.

I decided to re-hook up my old Behringer 31-band graphic eq to try some tweaking. With a slight reduction of no more than 1-2db in the region from about 800 to 3.1Khz, the transformation is nothing short of amazing. The effect is has is multi-fold. It almost eliminates the harshness in many recording. It pulls back the vocal image and incorporates it back into the soundstage. Also by reducing the prominence of the vocals which are typically centered, it appears to significantly widen the soundstage at the same time.

The net effect here is that this slight tweaking of the mids imparts upon the JTR's a smoothness similar to that of so-called "hi-fi" speakers while losing no detail, and taking nothing away from the superb dynamics the JTR's are known for. In my opinion, it's turned them in a fantastic pair of speakers for 2ch music. The effect on movies seems to not be siginificant, but I never felt any improvement was needed in that area.

Originally Posted by mojomike

Cool. I'm glad to hear you got a good result. I think you'll find that with a slight reduction in that area, you won't really lose any of the detail. In fact at least to my ears, by taking away the apparent prominence in the midrange, it seems to actually bring out the details that were there before but were somewhat masked by the mids.

I've been following that thread about going back to less sensitive speakers after having highly sensitive ones.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1412527

I was almost considering doing just that for 2ch music until I tweaked things a bit a few day ago. Not any more!

Originally Posted by coolgeek

I am wondering if getting the sealed version (with less mid bass) would solve this issue altogether?

Originally Posted by mojomike

That is very unlikely. The area that going to be different between the ported and sealed versions is going to be much lower down, most likely between about 80-150hz or so. We're not talking about tweaking anything near the bass range here at all. We're talking about tweaking right smack in the mid range area.

Originally Posted by mojomike

That is very unlikely. The area that going to be different between the ported and sealed versions is going to be much lower down, most likely between about 80-150hz or so. We're not talking about tweaking anything near the bass range here at all. We're talking about tweaking right smack in the mid range area.

Originally Posted by coolgeek

Is it possible to tweak it with just the receiver without having to get a separate equalizer?... I am thinking of either getting the onkyo 1009, or 3009...

Originally Posted by coolgeek

Hmm... this is confusing... wouldn't the Audyssey fix it automatically if the mid is a bit loud? I mean, how did you do it?

Say, for example, your out from your receiver goes to an equalizer, then you adjust the equalizer to lower the mids, and then wouldn't audyssey automatically increase them right back to before?

Originally Posted by ifor

Audyssey does allow you to configure the eq directly.

Originally Posted by coolgeek

Does this mean you'll have to turn audyssey off? Or, use audyssey first, then fine tune?

Originally Posted by dpc716

It's my understanding that certain settings (e.g. distance or channel level) can be applied in addition to the settings resolved with auto setup and be included when you use Audyssey. Others, like tone or eq adjustments cannot be applied along with other Audyssey settings, so if you wanted to go that way you would not run Audyssey and make any adjustments you wanted yourself. So if you wanted to make a treble adjustment or adjust certain EQ bands along the lines of what Mojomike did, you would not be able to use Audyssey, or more specifically the settings you get in auto setup.

If anyone knows otherwise, please chime in. The 4311 manual and others I've seen suggest this and I have not been able to specify a proper search to easily find an answer.

Originally Posted by Brady84

Have a question on Triple 8's vs. Triple 12's.

My room is 26' 3" X 16' 3" X 10' and ~ 3850 cubic feet once the ceiling soffit, stage, and riser are subtracted. This is a dedicated, fully treated room, that is used for 90%+ movies.

With my size theater am I gaining anything by running Triple 12's as my LCR vs. the Triple 8's? The $1200 difference between the two options would likely go to a submersive to aid my single Velodyne DD15 on the low end. Which would you choose, Triple 12's with just the DD15 or Triple 8's with the DD15 + a submersive?

Originally Posted by Brady84

Have a question on Triple 8's vs. Triple 12's.

My room is 26' 3" X 16' 3" X 10' and ~ 3850 cubic feet once the ceiling soffit, stage, and riser are subtracted. This is a dedicated, fully treated room, that is used for 90%+ movies.

With my size theater am I gaining anything by running Triple 12's as my LCR vs. the Triple 8's? The $1200 difference between the two options would likely go to a submersive to aid my single Velodyne DD15 on the low end. Which would you choose, Triple 12's with just the DD15 or Triple 8's with the DD15 + a submersive?

Originally Posted by Brady84

Have a question on Triple 8's vs. Triple 12's.

My room is 26' 3" X 16' 3" X 10' and ~ 3850 cubic feet once the ceiling soffit, stage, and riser are subtracted. This is a dedicated, fully treated room, that is used for 90%+ movies.

With my size theater am I gaining anything by running Triple 12's as my LCR vs. the Triple 8's? The $1200 difference between the two options would likely go to a submersive to aid my single Velodyne DD15 on the low end. Which would you choose, Triple 12's with just the DD15 or Triple 8's with the DD15 + a submersive?