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post #4321 of 18373
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How do you find it in terms of speaker hiss etc?
Are there any other cheap, high power multichannel amps around that I should also be looking at?

In had an Emo amp (XPA-5) hooked up to T-8's as well as some other high sensitivity speakers and there was some hiss. Unless you are unusually close to your speakers it should not be a problem.

If you are a fairly confident DIYer you could get amps from ClassDaudio.com and build them yourself. I did this and I am an idiot and still got them to work.

Moto
post #4322 of 18373
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Originally Posted by gizzykid View Post

Hi guys
I have been running the following system for about 6 months now:
  • T8-LP for LCR
  • Slant S8 for surrounds
  • Seaton Submersive
  • Behringer/Tapco/QSC pro amps for amplification
  • Onkyo TX-NR 809 for processing duties
Its a humble system but it certainly does the job for HT duties.
I have all 3 pro amps in my theatre room. As you can imagine the fan noise from these is pretty substantial.
I am seriously looking at getting an Emotiva XPA-5 to replace the pro amps. This should obviously eliminate fan noise and also help simplify my system.
However, I am a little wary of coupling high sensitivity speakers with a high gain amp.
How many of you guys are using an Emotiva/JTR combo?
Can you comment on your experience?
How do you find it in terms of speaker hiss etc?
Are there any other cheap, high power multichannel amps around that I should also be looking at?
.


That is a good amp for the money.The main complaint is 200watts 8ohm only does 300 4ohm
which is OK for the money.I have xpa -3 and xpa 2 sitting in my back room where my old
euipment goes to retire. The xpa-2 is pretty sweet at 500 watts 4ohm . Because of the high gain
both amps always get pinged at -12 by audyssey no matter what.My LP is 15' so that sucks.
I have a D-sonic 500wpc 8ohm 1000wpc 4ohm and love it. I see no reason to ever need another amp with my 12's.
Audyssey pings them at -7. The amp is silent.
The wyred4sound mini amp would work great too.
Pro amps tend to be harsh, bulky, drop off quick at high volumes,and those fans are
ridiculous.
Remember high quality sound in high quality sound out.
good luck
WVchris
Edited by countryWV - 6/9/12 at 10:25am
post #4323 of 18373
I have three Triple 8 LPs connected to an Emotiva XPA 5. I sit about 17 feet from the speakers. I can hear a hiss with my ear to the speakers at a volume level of -20. I can hear it where I sit when the volume approaches 0(reference). This is when I'm not playing any material; when I do it's not a factor for me. I should also mention that I don't have a dedicated theater room, this is in a family room, so it's not the quietest in general.
post #4324 of 18373
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Originally Posted by gizzykid View Post

Hi guys
I have been running the following system for about 6 months now:
  • T8-LP for LCR
  • Slant S8 for surrounds
  • Seaton Submersive
  • Behringer/Tapco/QSC pro amps for amplification
  • Onkyo TX-NR 809 for processing duties
Its a humble system but it certainly does the job for HT duties.
I have all 3 pro amps in my theatre room. As you can imagine the fan noise from these is pretty substantial.
I am seriously looking at getting an Emotiva XPA-5 to replace the pro amps. This should obviously eliminate fan noise and also help simplify my system.
However, I am a little wary of coupling high sensitivity speakers with a high gain amp.
How many of you guys are using an Emotiva/JTR combo?
Can you comment on your experience?
How do you find it in terms of speaker hiss etc?
Are there any other cheap, high power multichannel amps around that I should also be looking at?
.

i am currently running my front stage of two t12's and a t8 center off of an xpa-5. Previously to owning it, I was running the main LR's off a crown xls1500 (ZERO fan noise and vairable fan at that). With the t8's or t12's they are both so efficient that any AVR with 125wpc should run them just fine, assuming the AVR can handle 4ohm loads. between the xls1500 and the xpa-5, they both handle the speakers great, but with no gain knob on the xpa-5 and a close listening position, Ive had issues with audyssey setting the speakers all the way down. I fixed it by backing the speakers off a shade behind my AT screen, now no problems. I dont think youll be dissappointed at all with the xpa-5, mine is stil in the chain, and i get excellent dynamics and such from it smile.gif Im also a big headroom fan, and play at reference often, so additional wattage is always welcome. lets break this down real quick though. For mains, at reference you need the ability to acheive 105db peaks. for the triple8, here is how the efficiency frontier breaks down. playing the speaker with these watts will yield the respective amount of dB's:

Watts/ usable output in Db's

1--98
2--101
4--104
8--107
16-110
32-113
64-116
128-119

AHHH the beauty of high sensitivity!!! this would bsically tell you that an amp capable of 125wpc would run these over 10db's above reference, MORE than enough for the HT enthusiast. NOW you also must take into account your listening distance as these numbers are taken at 1 meter, but even then, most folks with normal sized theater rooms wont be much further than say, 2 meters, so you STILL should be in good shape. Just some food for thought!
post #4325 of 18373
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Originally Posted by gizzykid View Post

Hi guys
I have been running the following system for about 6 months now:
  • T8-LP for LCR
  • Slant S8 for surrounds
  • Seaton Submersive
  • Behringer/Tapco/QSC pro amps for amplification
  • Onkyo TX-NR 809 for processing duties
Its a humble system but it certainly does the job for HT duties.
I have all 3 pro amps in my theatre room. As you can imagine the fan noise from these is pretty substantial.
I am seriously looking at getting an Emotiva XPA-5 to replace the pro amps. This should obviously eliminate fan noise and also help simplify my system.
However, I am a little wary of coupling high sensitivity speakers with a high gain amp.
How many of you guys are using an Emotiva/JTR combo?
Can you comment on your experience?
How do you find it in terms of speaker hiss etc?
Are there any other cheap, high power multichannel amps around that I should also be looking at?
.

I have been running my JTRs for a while now and have used the following; Emotiva XPA-3, Outlaw 770, QSC GX-3 and Behringer EP4000. In my testing there was very little difference if any at all in the SQ produced and even the RTA plots backed this up. I currently run my LR JTR T12s through the QSC with the center and surrounds through the 770. The only hissing I have had was fixed by using a different sure protector into the amplifier. Unless you are dealing with a VERY large HT or an open space such as hosting something outdoors any amplifier will work with JTRs.
post #4326 of 18373
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Originally Posted by smbsocal View Post

I have been running my JTRs for a while now and have used the following; Emotiva XPA-3, Outlaw 770, QSC GX-3 and Behringer EP4000. In my testing there was very little difference if any at all in the SQ produced and even the RTA plots backed this up. I currently run my LR JTR T12s through the QSC with the center and surrounds through the 770. The only hissing I have had was fixed by using a different sure protector into the amplifier. Unless you are dealing with a VERY large HT or an open space such as hosting something outdoors any amplifier will work with JTRs.

I agree, just about any amp or reasonably powerful AVR will drive them. What vintage are your Triple 12's?
post #4327 of 18373
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I agree, just about any amp or reasonably powerful AVR will drive them. What vintage are your Triple 12's?

My T12s are 2011 editions, about a year old now, and I think they finally are broken in. I have kept off of AVS for a while though to try and avoid upgradeitis. rolleyes.gif Still trying to resist getting another set of JTR S8s for rear surround duty and a Denon 4311ci for the Audyssey XT32.
post #4328 of 18373
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Originally Posted by smbsocal View Post

My T12s are 2011 editions, about a year old now, and I think they finally are broken in. I have kept off of AVS for a while though to try and avoid upgradeitis. rolleyes.gif Still trying to resist getting another set of JTR S8s for rear surround duty and a Denon 4311ci for the Audyssey XT32.

Get the denon for XT32, it is worth it.
post #4329 of 18373
Thanks everybody for the replies.

I had a good look around for some second hand amps on ebay, audiogon etc. There are some good deals to be had. However, I gave up on that option when I realised I would need a transformer for any amp I bought from the states (we're 240V over in NZ).
High powered transformers seem to be bloody expensive in NZ.
The Emotiva amps I believe are switchable between 120 and 240V so these are still an option.

I am a big believer in headroom and high wattage so I am really looking to stick with a separate amp.

I am definitely starting to lean towards the XPA-5.
I just wish I could try it and return it if I wasn't satisfied but shipping overseas costs a fortune.
post #4330 of 18373
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Originally Posted by smbsocal View Post

My T12s are 2011 editions, about a year old now, and I think they finally are broken in. I have kept off of AVS for a while though to try and avoid upgradeitis. rolleyes.gif Still trying to resist getting another set of JTR S8s for rear surround duty and a Denon 4311ci for the Audyssey XT32.

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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Get the denon for XT32, it is worth it.

yea dude. You definitely should have stayed away, because I just scooped a 4311, moving from the 3311, and it is unreal the difference I have heard AND seen with xt32, especially in the bass area.
post #4331 of 18373
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

yea dude. You definitely should have stayed away, because I just scooped a 4311, moving from the 3311, and it is unreal the difference I have heard AND seen with xt32, especially in the bass area.

Heya beast long time no speak. smile.gif

Yeah I should have stayed off. . . It is becoming harder to resist the 4311. . .
post #4332 of 18373
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Originally Posted by smbsocal View Post

My T12s are 2011 editions, about a year old now, and I think they finally are broken in. I have kept off of AVS for a while though to try and avoid upgradeitis. rolleyes.gif Still trying to resist getting another set of JTR S8s for rear surround duty and a Denon 4311ci for the Audyssey XT32.

That should mean that you have the latest CD and crossover. There is a difference with the latest generation and I think the upgrade hassle is worth it as is XT32. The upgrading never really ends ... does it ...wink.gif
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Originally Posted by gizzykid View Post

Thanks everybody for the replies.
I had a good look around for some second hand amps on ebay, audiogon etc. There are some good deals to be had. However, I gave up on that option when I realised I would need a transformer for any amp I bought from the states (we're 240V over in NZ).
High powered transformers seem to be bloody expensive in NZ.
The Emotiva amps I believe are switchable between 120 and 240V so these are still an option.
I am a big believer in headroom and high wattage so I am really looking to stick with a separate amp.
I am definitely starting to lean towards the XPA-5.
I just wish I could try it and return it if I wasn't satisfied but shipping overseas costs a fortune.

The Emotiva amps would be a good choice but pro audio amps are also worth considering especially if they are not in the room or at least enclosed in a well vented cabinet. In my experience, amps are indistinguishable (within their limits) as power is power and the more the better.

Your location is a problem but only audio wise. Heading for Australia this summer and NZ is next on the bucket list of places I need to see.cool.gif
Edited by RMK! - 6/15/12 at 10:21am
post #4333 of 18373
Sorry, I'm pretty new to the whole amp thing, but what are "pro audio amps"? I am seriously considering triple 8's for my LCR and single 8's for my surrounds with my Denon 4311ci. I was thinking of seeing how I like them w/o an amp, but I can get a pretty good deal on an xpa-3 so now I'm debating. But I would like to have as many options as possible, which is why I ask about the pro amps. Thanks!
post #4334 of 18373
Pro amps are like Behringer, Crown, QSC, etc. Most are Class D, lots of power for not a lot of $$$. (At least in the case of Behringer Amps) The Emotiva Amp would be excellent for your needs. Maybe a little under-powered for my tastes, but it will most definitely get the job done well.
post #4335 of 18373
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

That should mean that you have the latest CD and crossover. There is a difference with the latest generation and I think the upgrade hassle is worth it as is XT32. The upgrading never really ends ... does it ...wink.gif
The Emotiva amps would be a good choice but pro audio amps are also worth considering especially if they are not in the room or at least enclosed in a well vented cabinet. In my experience, amps are indistinguishable (within their limits) as power is power and the more the better.
Your location is a problem but only audio wise. Heading for Australia this summer and NZ is next on the bucket list of places I need to see.cool.gif

Not really, but sometimes it is a pretty cheap upgrade. My latest is a Darbee Darblet. smile.gif
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post #4336 of 18373
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Originally Posted by Jindrak View Post

Pro amps are like Behringer, Crown, QSC, etc. Most are Class D, lots of power for not a lot of $$$. (At least in the case of Behringer Amps) The Emotiva Amp would be excellent for your needs. Maybe a little under-powered for my tastes, but it will most definitely get the job done well.

Thanks for the response!
post #4337 of 18373
Question for JTR owners:

Strongly considering an upgrade to JTR's for HT use. My biggest problem with my current (and previous) speakers were dialogue intelligibility. During movies, dialogue would be difficult to hear, requiring me to turn up the volume. But then I'd have to turn it down during action scenes which got too loud. Then back up for dialogue portions. This would be a back and forth during the entire movie, and it gets to be frustrating. I realize speaker placement/room acoustics has a large effect on this, but I've tried many different things to no avail.

Will the JTR's solve this problem for me? I currently have an old KEF Q30 left and right and KEF Model 100 for the center. I'm hoping the high sensitivity speakers would be the key.
post #4338 of 18373
Ok, trying to decide which JTR speakers (left, center, right) would be best for me and(mostly home theater use), and KID FRIENDLY, assuming dialogue intelligibility is good:

Room is 15' front to back, 18' side to side, 10' high (~2700 cubic feet), and we sit 10' from the screen. The center speaker has to sit below a TV screen, and I have to consider WAF, unfortunately... I also have a newborn to consider who, when he gets older, will undoubtedly want to mess with those big black boxes eek.gif

I initially thought 3 sealed Triple 8's (horizontal orientation for the center would fit nicely in that space under the screen, and my wife has already vetoed anything greater than 10" in height below the screen). The speakers cannot be more than ~1' forward of the back wall.

However, I'm really concerned about my kid knocking the speakers on top of himself in the future, or poking holes in the woofers. So I was brainstorming and came up with these options (all with a horizontal sealed triple 8 as the center):

1) Vented Triple 8 for left and right on stands filled with sand (Jeff doesn't make stands for the sealed Triple 8, so I'd have to go with the vented). I'm still concerned my kid could knock over not the stand but the speaker itself which wouldn't be secured to the stand other than by gravity by resting on it. This would be bad as it may fall on him. Is there a way to secure the speaker to the stand?

2) Two quintuples for left and right as floorstanders and metal grilles. Can my kid still knock those over? They are 43" x 12.25" x 16.5" and weigh 118 lbs, so I think it may be difficult, but I'm not sure.

3) Two sealed Triple 8's as left and right mounted on the wall. I suspect this would be safest, but I don't think my wife (nor me) would like the look of that at all, and depending upon where the wall studs are, it may be asymmetric on that back wall. If I go that route, I was thinking of wall mounting vented Triple 8's and just sticking a stand underneath them so it looks like the speakers are on stands so it won't look too bad, but still would be secure.

Sorry for the questions, but my kid is my first and only 2 weeks old, so I'm super paranoid right now for when he gets older... Thanks!
post #4339 of 18373
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Originally Posted by beezar View Post

Question for JTR owners:
Strongly considering an upgrade to JTR's for HT use. My biggest problem with my current (and previous) speakers were dialogue intelligibility. During movies, dialogue would be difficult to hear, requiring me to turn up the volume. But then I'd have to turn it down during action scenes which got too loud. Then back up for dialogue portions. This would be a back and forth during the entire movie, and it gets to be frustrating. I realize speaker placement/room acoustics has a large effect on this, but I've tried many different things to no avail.
Will the JTR's solve this problem for me? I currently have an old KEF Q30 left and right and KEF Model 100 for the center. I'm hoping the high sensitivity speakers would be the key.

Room treatments to manage the room acoustics were the greatest improvements I ever made. I installed room treatments before I bought new speakers, and it made a big improvement.

Mark
post #4340 of 18373
I have KEF iQ7s and while I wouldn't say the dialog is intelligible they definitely are not capable of being as clear, dynamic and loud as the JTRs. When turning up the KEFs my wife complains about them sounding harsh and to turn the volume down with the JTRs I can go a lot louder without her complaining.

If you have some serious acoustic issues at play it is hard to say if changing out speakers will help though.
post #4341 of 18373
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Room treatments to manage the room acoustics were the greatest improvements I ever made. I installed room treatments before I bought new speakers, and it made a big improvement.
Mark

I wish I could, but this is not a dedicated theater room, so WAF disallows many room treatments. Still, the room isn't too bad in terms of acoustics, except for the wooden coffee table in front of the couch. Tried getting rid of that, but still didn't notice much difference in dialogue intelligibility
post #4342 of 18373
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Originally Posted by beezar View Post

My biggest problem with my current (and previous) speakers were dialogue intelligibility. During movies, dialogue would be difficult to hear, requiring me to turn up the volume. But then I'd have to turn it down during action scenes which got too loud.

All you have to do is increase the Center Channel Level +2.0 (or +2.5, +3.0, etc) above the rest of the channels levels!

For example, if all your speaker channel levels are 0.0 right now (say 75dB on the SPL), just increase the Center Channel level to +2.0 or +2.5.

This way, the dialogue will always be clear when you need. The front L/R is where most of the explosion and loud sound comes from. Also the surrounds & subs. But that Center is mainly DIALOGUE. So keep the Center @ +2.0dB higher than the rest!
post #4343 of 18373
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Originally Posted by beezar View Post

WAF disallows many room treatments. Still, the room isn't too bad in terms of acoustics, except for the wooden coffee table in front of the couch. Tried getting rid of that, but still didn't notice much difference in dialogue intelligibility

Don't feel so bad. You won't find acoustic panels hanging on walls in the homes of Siegfried Linkwitz, Peter Aczel, Dennis Murphy, Jim Salk, and many speaker geniuses either.

The reason you didn't notice much difference is because.........well, there........really......isn't .......much......difference to begin with. Trust your ears and your brain, not so much what a lot of people say you SHOULD hear. For some reasons, everyone thinks you have the same exact hearing and the same exact room acoustic issues as they do! eek.gif

Turn up that Center Channel by +2dB, and you will be cured of this Dialogue Disease! biggrin.gif
post #4344 of 18373
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Originally Posted by Ka7niq View Post

Yes, absolutely ! The JTR's will revive your dead marriage, shine your shoes, even bring dead friends back to life! In fact, there is little or nothing the JTR's will not do, because it says so, on the Internet!
The High Sensitivity will do zilch for dialogue, and high sensitivity is not absolutely better, or all speakers would be high efficiency. Don't fall into that trap.
There is no free lunch.
Trust you own ears, not what you read on the Internet. Remember, it is far too easy for any speaker manufacturer to create Shills. In fact, one speaker manufacturer was known to have 3 computers in a room. Each Computer had several browsers installed with different ISP's, and a different profile was on each browser!
This speaker manufacturer would go around forums, and one of his profiles would ask "Has anyone heard about the RTJ speakers everyone is talking about"
Then, he would answer his own question with another of his fake profiles !
Then, more and more of his fake profiles would jump in the "conversation"
This created a "feeding frenzy" as innocent audiophiles, wanting the best speakers, were sucked into this ********!
There were also some "back door deals" where real audiophiles were given sweetheart deals in return for favorable Internet press and "reviews".
Don't be stupid.

You got us, the 4k posts here are created by nothing more than 'shills' of JTR and not actual owners of the speakers. rolleyes.gif With only 13 posts you shouldn't troll so hard.
post #4345 of 18373
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Originally Posted by smbsocal View Post

You got us, the 4k posts here are created by nothing more than 'shills' of JTR and not actual owners of the speakers. rolleyes.gif With only 13 posts you shouldn't troll so hard.

yeah, and the USA never landed on the moon either, just a big scam!
post #4346 of 18373
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Originally Posted by smbsocal View Post

You got us, the 4k posts here are created by nothing more than 'shills' of JTR and not actual owners of the speakers. rolleyes.gif With only 13 posts you shouldn't troll so hard.

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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

yeah, and the USA never landed on the moon either, just a big scam!

Yes guys, half baked post from a half baked mind.rolleyes.gif


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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

Turn up that Center Channel by +2dB, and you will be cured of this Dialogue Disease! biggrin.gif

Speaking of half baked ^^ Seriously ADTG ... that's all you got ... really? Get a bigger hammer??tongue.gif

Oh, and Happy Fathers Day!smile.gif
post #4347 of 18373
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

Not really, but sometimes it is a pretty cheap upgrade. My latest is a Darbee Darblet. smile.gif

OK thanks for nuthin ... .Can you PM me with the DD for dummies details?
post #4348 of 18373
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Originally Posted by smbsocal View Post

You got us, the 4k posts here are created by nothing more than 'shills' of JTR and not actual owners of the speakers. rolleyes.gif With only 13 posts you shouldn't troll so hard.
Never underestimate Shills.
There is a lot you can do with fake forum profiles, trust me!
I own several forums, like this one where we certify and train roof cleaners
My forum displays the IP Address of every poster, and still we get shills who come on our Forum, and try to sell our guys stuff.
We call our resident Shills S.I.D.S (salesmen in disguise)
A good shill (fake forum profile) needs some "credibility", so we give that fake profile some "credibility" by having him post hundreds of times BEFORE he does what he is really designed to do, that is, be a shill for TRJ Speakers, LOL
Once the shills have done their job by calling attention to the speakers, often a feeding frenzy starts, and people start buying the speakers.
And, the speakers COULD even be quite good.
Or, they could be chit speakers, made in someones Garage by some woodbutcher. One so called high end speaker maker that sells direct is a furniture maker, who paid Madisound to design his crossovers, and choose his drivers, because he don't know how!
I have been burned badly before buying speakers from Internet "reviews".
My opinions are just as valid as yours.

The use of Fake Forum Profiles are well known in politics, and on online dating sites.


Fake Profiles Used for Spying, Cyberstalking, Crowdturfing, Site-fluffing

Fake Profiles Used for Spying, Cyberstalking, Crowdturfing, Site-fluffing
by Sue Basko

See also: Agents Provocateurs: What and Who They Are
See also: FBI Infiltrators in Protest Groups

Fake profiles have long been used for things such as spying on ex-friends and voting for a favorite band. Now fake profiles have stepped up to doing real work for real pay for the masters who control them. I was recently cyberstalked by a person/entity using a mob of fake profiles, so I can give some insight into what they do.

A recent paper by researchers out of University of California Santa Barbara describes astroturfing as such: “Astroturfing refers to information dissemination campaigns that are sponsored by an organization, but are obfuscated so as to appear like spontaneous, decentralized “grassroots” movements. Astroturfing campaigns often involve spreading legally grey, or even illegal, content, such as defamatory rumors, false advertising, or suspect political messages. Although astroturfing predates the Internet, the ability to quickly mobilize large groups via crowd-sourcing systems has drastically increased the power of astroturfing.” The UCSB group coined the word crowdturfing for when a crowd of fake profiles is used to start rumors, give positive or negative reviews or comments, or to gather real people as followers for a point of view.

The HBGary Federal group was reportedly using fake profiles to discredit people who opposed a Republican business organization. In turn, Anonymous hacktivists cracked open the list of subscribers to HBGary publications.

Fake profiles have been rampant online with the Occupy movement, where so much organizing has taken place on facebook. There were many fake profiles that were obvious, at least obvious to me, as agents provocateurs, probably government agents exhorting violence, to see if they could catch any in agreement. Generally, people just ignored these, because Occupy was and is about nonviolent protest.

It became confusing to sort out who was who because there were also the usual armchair anarchist trolls, some who come complete with their own small army of fake profile friends who agree with every word they say. A lot of this was obvious, because the friends would only appear at the same time and place as the main troll. Since I am a lawyer and was providing legal information to many Occupy groups on how to conduct peaceful, legal protest, I found myself being harassed quite a few times by the pseudo-anarchist trolls and their fake best friends. They would agitate for violence, but for the most part, no one was interested.

The profiles that were obviously law enforcement agents provocateurs never bothered me, because they were / are there for the basically legitimate purpose of seeing if any mass destruction was/is planned.

The law enforcement agents post the same types of hooks over and over. They post that there are no limits to the First Amendment and no permits needed. They outright propose specific violent actions. Most people have learned to ignore them and not even reply. The law enforcement agents simply move on to other pages and post trying to locate sympathizers there.

Then there are the fake profiles that put in friend requests on facebook. The fake profile friends come to spy on your facebook page. According to reports, Aaron Barr at HBGary was busy making pretty girl fake profiles. At one point during the height of the Occupy camps, a bunch of pretty girl profiles invaded. One activist man shouted on his facebook in all caps: ALL THE PRETTY GIRLS ARE FAKE PROFILES! It was true. Men were readily confirming them as friends. Others were accepting the pretty girls because they were already “friends” with people they knew. I got a few of these requests, but rejected them. I think the male equivalent is the profile that is some version of the Anonymous mask. Of course, a lot of these are real people, but it is also a convenient fake profile.

Site-Fluffing is yet another use of fake profiles. That’s when a new site creates fake profiles to make it look as though the site is popular. I wrote a review of a site that looks good, but is very bad news. I was contacted by a person who credibly claims to have made up to 500 fake profiles per day for the site. That’s fraud on any would-be investors or purchasers. It’s also fraud on would-be users or users of the site. A lot of those profiles were obvious fakes.

The U.S. government is obviously using fake profiles. A man named Sean Kerrigan has posted a 2010 listing off FedBizOpps.gov that you have to read to believe. The government has procured software that creates and manages realistic fake personas, “replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent.”:

0001- Online Persona Management Service. 50 User Licenses, 10 Personas per
user.
Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history,
supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and
geographically consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to
exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and
without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries. Personas must be
able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through
conventional online services and social media platforms. The service includes a
user friendly application environment to maximize the user's situational
awareness by displaying real-time local information.

Then to make those personas seem real, they need an IP address for each persona. “Individuals can perform static impersonations, which allow them to look like the same person over time. Also allows organizations that frequent same site/service often to easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary users..”:

0003- Static IP Address Management. 50 each
License protects the identity of government agencies and enterprise
organizations. Enables organizations to manage their persistent online personas
by assigning static IP addresses to each persona. Individuals can perform
static impersonations, which allow them to look like the same person over time.
Also allows organizations that frequent same site/service often to easily switch IP
addresses to look like ordinary users as opposed to one organization.
Economizer IP Mapped License or equal


Then they need new IP addresses each day for “excellent cover and powerful deniability”:

0002- Secure Virtual Private Network (VPN). 1 each
VPN provides the ability for users to daily and automatically obtain randomly
selected
IP addresses through which they can access the internet. The daily rotation of
the user s IP address prevents compromise during observation of likely or
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addition, may provide traffic mixing, blending the user s traffic with traffic from
multitudes of users from outside the organization. This traffic blending provides
excellent cover and powerful deniability. Economizer Enterprise Chameleon or
equal

Now – to the story of how I got cybermobbed by a professional, or at least serial cyberstalker, and a mob of fake profiles, and possibly a few real profiles. I admit I am a target – I have openly provided information to help Occupy protesters know their rights under the law. I also started and help run a blog written by a man in prison who has autism. I am a target – and I want to state that I do not think the Cyberstalker gang that went after me is government-related. The government has no reason to stalk me, since I provide a valuable service to all sides, explaining the law so protesters can follow it. And the mob of fake profiles that stalked me was obviously fake. The profiles’ posts were obviously being written by one person, they all showed up together at the same times and places. There were other telltale signs I won’t share.

First, I noticed that someone had likely hacked into my Facebook profile, because security settings started to change. I wasn’t sure, because Facebook sometimes does change settings on its own. Then, I got a ludicrous private message on Facebook, sent by an obviously fake profile. I posted making fun of the ludicrous message and the ridiculously fake profile that sent it. All of a sudden, a different profile pops up on my page, posting inane, nasty messages saying that I did not respond correctly to the private message. How did “she” even know what the message said or my response to it, if it was not one of her fake profiles? So I deleted these things and blocked both profiles. And --- that began the circus. The whole circus was obviously orchestrated by one person who controls a group of fake facebook profiles with twitter accounts and several blogs, using them to terrorize victims.

The main leader of the rampage may or may not be a fake persona. I came across a real man who says he was stalked by the same person for 6 years –and he wrote about this a year before I was also stalked. I remember how he was stalked, because, about 6 years ago, I received some nasty chain emails defaming him. He is convinced the main Cyberstalker persona that attacked us both is a real person. I am not convinced, because it would be hard to find a real person who is so totally insane and yet has such good computer skills. But the ranting insanity seems to be part of the persona that catches people off guard. The persona used a photo of an older woman who looks like Porky Pig wearing a Dutch Boy haircut and some sort of sailor hat. When this thing popped up on my facebook page writing nasty posts, I had to laugh first. (Please tell me that is a fake photo!)

Then it got nastier. This person, who had already hacked my facebook, stole my photos, copied conversations, and began posting things on her own blogs that are run under her own name as well as a few other names. Then there were twitter attacks. She was attaching my name to her words and linking it up to her blog. And she had her fake army of fake profile personas also attacking. By that time, she had a few real people in on it – though it was hard to tell which ones were real or fake, since it is hard to believe any real people would actually engage in such actions.

I did what I was told by authorities to do – delete and block, delete and block. Her fake profiles were swarming all over my accounts online, all sounding suspiciously alike. There were a few that seemed like real profiles. As I stated that I had a complaint in to the authorities, the main stalker began to delete some posts. It is hard to tell which elements of the attack will be retrievable – or how hard the authorities will go to uncover the elements that have been deleted. If it could all be laid out and seen, it would show a massive online attack obviously controlled and created by one central source.

The methods of the cyberstalker are to invade, intrude, create, spread rumor. For the most part, only the most gullible, unthinking people would fall for this sort of thing, and only the nastiest have a will to participate in it. The idea is to create a mob of only the most vicious, gullible people who do not check their sources and do not think on their own. It works! And with such people involved, lives and safety truly are endangered. The idea is to rile up the crazies – and lead them in an online lynch mob. This is the agent provocateur online – and it works.

What You Can Do: If you want to understand crowdturfing, read the UCSB Study. If you see things like this online, avoid participating. Think about things. During the Cyberstalk attack against me, one of the fake profiles announced on Twitter that I was a lawyer in control of SOPA, the proposed upcoming internet legislation. Of course, I have nothing to do with SOPA and have not even gotten around to reading the draft of the law. But that does not keep a fake profile from tweeting my name and announcing such nonsense. Any thinking person would realize this, but Cyberstalkers, like the one that attacked me, are interested in getting the least thinking people on their side. That’s how it works. The whole point is to gather an irrational mob. Thinking people don’t participate.
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You ^^^ need to get a life or at least start your own thread ... crickets chirping ....rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Yes guys, half baked post from a half baked mind.rolleyes.gif
Speaking of half baked ^^ Seriously ADTG ... that's all you got ... really? Get a bigger hammer??tongue.gif
Oh, and Happy Fathers Day!smile.gif

Let me guess, JTR speakers will fix everything, but simple free things like slightly increasing the Center Channel levels is not even worth the try?

I know someone who owns very efficient Klipsch speakers (of course not as efficient as JTR) and a Denon 3311. His room is average size like 15' x 18'. He could not figure out why his Denon 3311 kept on shutting off (going into protection mode). Everyone says to spend $800 on a new amp, which is fine. Keep in mind a lot of these external amps have a 32dB gain, whereas some AVRs have quite a low preamp voltage/ amp gain. But I told him to simply slightly increase the speaker channel levels. 100% free and simple. Blow and behold. The Denon no longer goes into protection mode. No more shutting off. Wow. Free and simple.

I never said JTR speakers aren't great.

I'm just saying people might try something free and simple first. If that doesn't work, then spend the money.
Edited by AcuDefTechGuy - 6/17/12 at 9:49am
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