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post #4711 of 8265
9/7/12 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

I too can't imagine JTR moving completely away from the mid-tweeter coax. That would tend to put the speakers even more in the pro or HT category than they already are and would tend to move them further away from the "audiophile" category. I'd think there would be a risk of losing some of those folks who tend to straddle those two worlds. I'm one of those folks because my system is fully a 50-50 music-HT system and I'm not so sure that I'd choose a horn over the coax to cover the mids and highs.

That is because you have yet to hear a CD/horn combo that was good enough, they do exist.

I would think the difference between them will be whether you have a treated room or a untreated room. The Directivity helps a bunch in a bright untreated room and the directivity is not needed as much in a well treated room.
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post #4712 of 8265
9/7/12 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

The problem with that is a square horn will not fit in a round hole.
Trying to cut it out myself could lead to a whole new set of problems.
Figuring the cost of the upgrade to the CD and crossover with the liability
of messing up an already great speaker leads me to believe just selling
the current T12's would be my only option.
I am not even considering that.
Now if RMK says it is worth it then Mabey.
thanks for reply
I hope the idea is to keep improving on our existing T12's like in the past.
Oh well its win win as long as I am not involved with a CNC machine
Chris

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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

My understanding is that this is not a replacement for the current Triple 12HT. As noted, square peg/round hole makes upgrading the current cabinet difficult.
I think Jeff just wanted to take a shot at creating the best sounding HT speaker yet in his lineup. The CD is several times the cost of the current (already excellent) compression driver and the constant directivity advantages of the horn (as noted by beastaudio) should make this speaker more room friendly and improve the soundstage presentation while retaining the dynamic capability of the current model.
Not sure if these upgrades will interest the audiophiles but for those of us who are always looking for the last 5-10% of SQ it may be worthwhile. I would like to think that the speakers performance will determine if this is a winner but in this subjective world there are no guarantees. smile.gif


Square Peg round hole my toosh, I built all my other speakers other than the t-12's so Im not afraid to make a little modification to the box if need be. Ive done things similar before, and depending on the total dimension of the horn, it could be quite simple.

MK, even with a well treated room, placements near side wall will still benefit from the directivity of the horn, as well as better staging. Should focus the sound quite well. This is a very similar design to the u215 yorkville...
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post #4713 of 8265
9/7/12 at 10:15am
MojoMike
Music is equally important to me as HT. When people say that JTR is for HT and not Music
then that tells me they do not own the products.
Will the new design improve on the sound quality?
There has to be a give and take to it.
I have a hard time imagining what could be improved on.
That is why I look forward to the reviews in general but specifically
a owners direct comparision between the 2 designs.
Till then we can keep guessing.
Chris
Beastaudio
I am a plug and play guy with little to no woodworking skills.
When and if you do it I would love some insight into how.
Thanks
Edited by countryWV - 9/7/12 at 11:27am
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post #4714 of 8265
9/7/12 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

That is because you have yet to hear a CD/horn combo that was good enough, they do exist.
I would think the difference between them will be whether you have a treated room or a untreated room. The Directivity helps a bunch in a bright untreated room and the directivity is not needed as much in a well treated room.

I can't say for certain, but I suspect that my tastes in the mid to high range might be a bit different from yours. From what I've read from you, I tend to think you prefer a much more intense upper range than I do. I do have a partially treated room, carpet on the floor, I keep the front speakers a few feet away fom boundaries and I don't have any real problems with rear wall reflections.
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9/7/12 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

MojoMike
Music is equally important to me as HT. When people say that JTR is for HT and not Music
then that tells me they do not own the products.
Will the new design improve on the sound quality?
There has to be a give and take to it.
I have a hard time imaging what could be improved on.
That is why I look forward to the reviews in general but specifically
a owners direct comparision between the 2 designs.
Till then we can keep guessing.
Chris
Beastaudio

My initial experience using the T8s for 2ch music was a bit of a mixed bag. To sum it up, I found the mids too prominent and the apparent soundstage not wide and deep enough. This was either with or without Audyssey applied. At that point I thought I might have to go back to my old front L&R mains to suit my tastes for music. Since I already had a 31 band graphic equalizer on hand, I thought I would experiment a bit before giving up on the T8s. Voila! A couple of db cut accross the mids turned the T8s into everything I ever wanted. It took care of the over-prominent mids and seemed to both broadened and deepened the soundstage with no loss of detail. At this point, I couldn't be happier and the system is the 50-50 music-HT system I crave. I described the process here beginning in post # 4249.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1165099/official-jtr-speaker-thread/4230#post_22067022
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post #4716 of 8265
9/7/12 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

My initial experience using the T8s for 2ch music was a bit of a mixed bag. To sum it up, I found the mids too prominent and the apparent soundstage not wide and deep enough. This was either with or without Audyssey applied. At that point I thought I might have to go back to my old front L&R mains to suit my tastes for music. Since I already had a 31 band graphic equalizer on hand, I thought I would experiment a bit before giving up on the T8s. Voila! A couple of db cut accross the mids turned the T8s into everything I ever wanted. It took care of the over-prominent mids and seemed to both broadened and deepened the soundstage with no loss of detail. At this point, I couldn't be happier and the system is the 50-50 music-HT system I crave. I described the process here beginning in post # 4249.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1165099/official-jtr-speaker-thread/4230#post_22067022

I remember reading through that and almost bought a mid-level EQ of some sort to put in line with my t-12's, but i ended up finding some better placement and that fixed most of it for me biggrin.gif
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post #4717 of 8265
9/8/12 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Square Peg round hole my toosh, I built all my other speakers other than the t-12's so Im not afraid to make a little modification to the box if need be. Ive done things similar before, and depending on the total dimension of the horn, it could be quite simple.
MK, even with a well treated room, placements near side wall will still benefit from the directivity of the horn, as well as better staging. Should focus the sound quite well. This is a very similar design to the u215 yorkville...

I'll let you blaze that trail (assuming Jeff is ok with the concept) but when you hear the price for the CD alone, you may reconsider...
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post #4718 of 8265
9/8/12 at 4:37pm
After a couple of weeks of toing and froing and many emails to Jeff, I just completed a money transfer late last week, for 3 x Triple 12 Horns (sealed) and 1 x Cap S2. biggrin.gif

Now the wait beings (approx 10 - 12 weeks incl shipping) frown.gif

I was quite nervous going down this path, as unlike the Coax Triple 12, its not a tried and tested design. However, I have faith in Jeff and his products, and am positive this will be an awesome piece of equipment.
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I'll let you blaze that trail (assuming Jeff is ok with the concept) but when you hear the price for the CD alone, you may reconsider...

Its a quite a jump in price going to the horns. And don't forget, this cost is multiplied, as it will need to be added to 3 speakers to ensure consistency in the front stage.

Also, as someone pointed out earlier, its not certain what the extent of the improvement in sound will be and whether the price is justified. In fact, personally, if I already owned the Triple 12 Coax, I dont think I would go through the trouble of replacing/upgrading them for the horns - I would rather spend the funds on adding better treatment to the room.

Having said that, it's so exciting knowing that in a couple of months, I'll be the owner of Jeff's flag ship speakers cool.gif
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post #4719 of 8265
9/8/12 at 7:12pm
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

After a couple of weeks of toing and froing and many emails to Jeff, I just completed a money transfer late last week, for 3 x Triple 12 Horns (sealed) and 1 x Cap S2. biggrin.gif
Now the wait beings (approx 10 - 12 weeks incl shipping) frown.gif
I was quite nervous going down this path, as unlike the Coax Triple 12, its not a tried and tested design. However, I have faith in Jeff and his products, and am positive this will be an awesome piece of equipment.
Its a quite a jump in price going to the horns. And don't forget, this cost is multiplied, as it will need to be added to 3 speakers to ensure consistency in the front stage.
Also, as someone pointed out earlier, its not certain what the extent of the improvement in sound will be and whether the price is justified. In fact, personally, if I already owned the Triple 12 Coax, I dont think I would go through the trouble of replacing/upgrading them for the horns - I would rather spend the funds on adding better treatment to the room.
Having said that, it's so exciting knowing that in a couple of months, I'll be the owner of Jeff's flag ship speakers cool.gif

Congrats superaaaaaaaaaa (couple of extra a's to celebrate tongue.gif). That should be an amazing front end and combined with a Cap S2 ... WOW eek.gifcool.gif.

I think I am going to pull the trigger on LCR's of the vented Triple 12 horns. I am in that class of crazy that would "upgrade" the terrific sounding coax based T12's for the new horn based 12's and if I needed room treatments (I don't) I would agree the funds would probably be better spent in that direction. But this is a hobby and exploring the unknown is kinda fun. smile.gif
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post #4720 of 8265
9/9/12 at 7:21am
Superaaaaa
Big Risk = Big Reward
3 Triple 12 horns and a Cap S2
At this level of audio performance there is no "better" just different for different tastes.
You did it right and you will be rewarded and since you never listen to the T12 coax then your reviews
will be a true expression of what you paid, to what you expect, to what you get.
I cant tell the future but my bet is PURE AUDIO BLISS for you.
congradulations.
Chris


Rob
HELL YEAH!!!!!

Chris
Edited by countryWV - 9/10/12 at 7:03am
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post #4721 of 8265
9/9/12 at 11:40am
Im not worried about the cost of the CD's. Ive already got the majority of the speaker in my posession, why wouldnt I upgrade to a superior CD? whether or not the horn is beneficial over the coaxial driver (which I think hands down it will be), the CD by itself is worth it to me to upgrade, the crossover whether it has to be modified or I have to go with a whole new one, I dunno, but that is more of the undertaking IMO.
Edited by beastaudio - 9/10/12 at 6:38am
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post #4722 of 8265
9/10/12 at 6:29am
Thanks for the vote of confidence RMK and Chris.

I'm trying not to think about how amazing these are going to sound, cause it will make the 10-12 week wait even harder to endure.

I'll just need to find something to distract myself for the next 3 months - maybe I should get back to going to the gym. I'll need to the extra strength to move these monsters tongue.gif

RMK, your feedback would be invaluable to people who are considering upgrading to the horns. You've had the previous triple 12's longer than anyone else here, and have a comprehensive understanding of their sound and capabilities,. You'll be able to provide fantastic feedback on what the horns add.
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post #4723 of 8265
9/10/12 at 7:03am
Yeah, I'll be anxiously awaiting opinions on the horns. I'm a bit away from getting a new system, but JTR's are on top if the list. I heard Klipsch many years ago and liked the sound, although I never spent any real time with them. I'm curious to see what Jeff can do with them.
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post #4724 of 8265
9/10/12 at 7:31am
My current/previous speakers are Klipsch (RF82/RC62), which I bought almost 4 years ago.

I demoed many brands (B&W, Focal, KEF, Paradigm, Monitor Audio, Jamo, Elac, Krix, Whatmough, VAF), before I finally decided on them.

I really liked the dynamics of the horns. The other brands just seemed very tame and boring, by comparison.

I did find them a bit harsh at times, although to be fair, some of the rooms I used them in were far too small for these speakers.

A few people have upgraded from Klipsch to JTR, and noted a definitive improvement.

Having JTR now produce horn based speakers is like a marriage made in heaven.
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post #4725 of 8265
9/10/12 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

Thanks for the vote of confidence RMK and Chris.
I'm trying not to think about how amazing these are going to sound, cause it will make the 10-12 week wait even harder to endure.
I'll just need to find something to distract myself for the next 3 months - maybe I should get back to going to the gym. I'll need to the extra strength to move these monsters tongue.gif
RMK, your feedback would be invaluable to people who are considering upgrading to the horns. You've had the previous triple 12's longer than anyone else here, and have a comprehensive understanding of their sound and capabilities,. You'll be able to provide fantastic feedback on what the horns add.

I'm not very good at documenting my preferences in audio and have taken flack over the years for my subjective opinions (been called a JTR fan boy tongue.gif). If things work out I will try and do a side by side with the current vs new speakers. I'm even kicking around the idea of a GTG but nothing solid yet. I have a buyer for my T12's and a lot will depend on his patience and flexibility. smile.gif
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post #4726 of 8265
9/10/12 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I'm not very good at documenting my preferences in audio and have taken flack over the years for my subjective opinions (been called a JTR fan boy tongue.gif). If things work out I will try and do a side by side with the current vs new speakers. I'm even kicking around the idea of a GTG but nothing solid yet. I have a buyer for my T12's and a lot will depend on his patience and flexibility. smile.gif
I am a JTR FANBOY and proud of it.
Jeffs euipment is is at the top of its game for the HT crowd.
I think your reviews and opinions are Very Helpful and I appreciate the time
you spend informing us.
Thank You
If you did not have the pair of Orbit Shifters(lets say they didnt exist)
What subwoofers woud you have Right Now?
Chris
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9/10/12 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I am a JTR FANBOY and proud of it.
Jeffs euipment is is at the top of its game for the HT crowd.
I think your reviews and opinions are Very Helpful and I appreciate the time
you spend informing us.
Thank You
If you did not have the pair of Orbit Shifters(lets say they didnt exist)
What subwoofers woud you have Right Now?
Chris

I like your moxy Chris ... and of course agree re JTR products in general.

Re an OS alternative, I have the perfect setup for an IB system and had the OS not come along, I would probably be there by now. The performance of the OS's has me quite satisfied LFE wise ... smile.gif
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post #4728 of 8265
9/10/12 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post


I'm not very good at documenting my preferences in audio and have taken flack over the years for my subjective opinions (been called a JTR fan boy tongue.gif). If things work out I will try and do a side by side with the current vs new speakers. I'm even kicking around the idea of a GTG but nothing solid yet. I have a buyer for my T12's and a lot will dep And new horn 12's for the LCR'send on his patience and flexibility. smile.gif

I've been planning on ordering 4 more t12's/sealed to use as my side and rears.I'm glad to here about the horn 12's. What maybe i'll do is order 3 horn loaded 12's sealed use them for my LCR's and order one t12 sealed . This way i can use the t12's for the rears and side channels as i intended to do. The new horn 12's are very appealing. It be nice to know how much $ ? Will the jump in SQ be worth the price!

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post #4729 of 8265
9/10/12 at 5:13pm
I sometimes tend to be a skeptic about new products until they are proven, but has anyone else considered that the horns may be a step back in sophistication going from a three way to a two way? Of course the proof is in the pudding as they say.
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9/10/12 at 6:24pm
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

I sometimes tend to be a skeptic about new products until they are proven, but has anyone else considered that the horns may be a step back in sophistication going from a three way to a two way? Of course the proof is in the pudding as they say.

Technically, less sources should be beneficial if done right, and I have no doubt that Jeff will do it right. The new CD if I had to guess will XO a little lower than the current, therefore making the dual 12's and the cd/horn not require a midrange driver. the coax design is nice and sounds GREAT, but a horn really takes it to the next level for directivity matching and a more detailed sound stage. dynamics should shine even more with the new setup. There have been some comparisons somewhere on here between the JTR's and the Yorkville u215's which are similar to the new design and the directivity breaks down a little more on the JTR's than the yorkville's horn. I am in no way knocking the JTR's with this statement, it is just simply a little bit "better" IMO way of doing it and Jeff is reflecting that obviously with the new design/higher price tag.
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post #4731 of 8265
9/11/12 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

I sometimes tend to be a skeptic about new products until they are proven, but has anyone else considered that the horns may be a step back in sophistication going from a three way to a two way? Of course the proof is in the pudding as they say.

From what I recall, the new horn loaded driver is a coaxial compression driver so it will still be a 3-way. IOW, 2 compression drivers in 1 at the horns throat. Take a look at the BMS coaxial compression drivers.
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post #4732 of 8265
9/11/12 at 5:41am
Interesting info. Thanks.
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9/11/12 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by Vinculum View Post

From what I recall, the new horn loaded driver is a coaxial compression driver so it will still be a 3-way. IOW, 2 compression drivers in 1 at the horns throat. Take a look at the BMS coaxial compression drivers.

They are actually a pretty sweet setup, and with the ability to drop down to an XO point of near 4-500hz it should have ridiculous pattern control. I commend Jeff for going with a larger than 1 inch CD although with the supplied 12's it is not really that necessary, and I'd be interested to see if the rolloff in the higher frequencies suffers from going with a larger diam CD.
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9/11/12 at 10:48am
Im a JTR guy,3 triple 12 vented & 6 slanted 8.where are the pics of the new jtrs?thanks
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9/11/12 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by dholmes54 View Post

Im a JTR guy,3 triple 12 vented & 6 slanted 8.where are the pics of the new jtrs?thanks
It is easier to find pictures of "Bigfoot" than most JTR euipment.
Go back one page to 157 and you can make out a cell phone pick
of the new horn design.
Chris
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post #4736 of 8265
9/11/12 at 2:31pm
Thanks I went to JTR forum & no pics there either
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9/11/12 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post


It is easier to find pictures of "Bigfoot" than most JTR euipment.
Go back one page to 157 and you can make out a cell phone pick
of the new horn design.
Chris

Go too facebook n search jtr speakers.

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post #4738 of 8265
9/11/12 at 3:01pm
Depending on how these new speakers go, I think I can feel a change coming on....... biggrin.gif
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9/11/12 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by dragonleepenn View Post

Go too facebook n search jtr speakers.

Yup, the most information is on JTR's Facebook page.

The new coaxial CD is indeed interesting. I might be poised to scoop up some used T12s if anyone nearby is upgrading. smile.gif
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post #4740 of 8265
9/13/12 at 2:52pm
Hi guys,

I have a pioneer lx 82 amp (equivalent model in states I believe is sc27).

It's thx ultra 2 certified, but the recommended load is 6 - 16 ohms.

I understand the jtr triple 12s are 4 ohms.

Has anyone used this amp before with their jtr speakers?

Is so, have u had any issues?
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