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post #4771 of 8428
9/19/12 at 7:39am
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Rob
Thanks for the info I was guessing at the cost earlier.
Jeff has come so far with JTR speakers over the last
few years.
From the T12 LF to T12 HT and LP and on to this T12 HT horn
what progress in such a relatively short time. I can only imagine where
it will be in say 5 years.
I am definitely keeping my T12's for several years.
I love them.
They may become my SS and rear surrounds down the road.
Audio has always been my hobby or obsession as my wife puts it.
Especially Subwoofers.
I am really glad that JTR and SEATON exist just to watch the future
designs, ideas , and concepts. I have been around alot (too many)
of people who Talk but Jeff and Mark put it into action.
To the Future of Sound Recreation
Chris
I had to serve in Desert Storm/ shield
I can create that realism of sound and feeling in my own home
and that is incredible to me.

You have built a high performance audio system Chris and your enjoyment of it is understandable. I see systems here with "full bandwidth" subs and anemic speakers and good to great speaker systems with inadequate subwoofage. As you know, to get to reference level playback without distortion you need amp power and, speaker systems capable of clean sound reproduction at those levels. You also need a space capable of handling all that sound. Jeff and Mark understand that and IMHO, are making some of the very best HT products for those of us who have high performance HT audio as our goal. I have Fugueness (Peter) to thank for turning me on to pro audio style speakers and subs. I have demoed my system to quite a few folks and a good number of those have gone on to purchase similar. Once you hear it, it is very addictive ... wink.gifbiggrin.gif
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post #4772 of 8428
9/20/12 at 4:51pm
Said goodbye to my T12's today frown.gif



And now the temp setup with the Triple 8LP's (L&R), Slanted 8 Center, S8 surrounds and one S8 surround back

Say hello to my little friends ...


After a quick 5 position Audyssey, it sounds pretty darn good. More later on this temp setup.smile.gif
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post #4773 of 8428
9/21/12 at 6:10am
OK so I'm really intrigued by the JTR's, wondering about thoughts on replacing LCR B&W speakers with either triple 12's or triple 8's, replacing sides and rears with single 8's. Also considering SHO-10 upcoming towers. I've had the below B&W speakers for 6 years, second owner, bought for really good price. Used to listen to music more, but now really 90% home theater usage. I have a JL Audio F113 sub that I love and will keep.

Dedicated Home Theater Room 15x21x9 ~ 2850 cf
Cinenova 7x300 amp
Replacing Integra DHC 9.9 processor (new Marantz 8801 maybe)
keeping JL Audio F113 sub (16-86Hz, 2500W amp, calibration mic, 130lbs)

The speakers in question to be replaced:

B&W 804 fronts and matching HTM3 center (2x6.5" woofer, 6.5"mid, 1" tweeter, 89dB, crossovers 350Hz & 450KHz, 42Hz-22KHz, 53lbs
B&W CWM 362 in-wall surrounds (89dB, 50Hz-30KHz, 6" base/midrange, 1" tweeter 2-way speakers)
Old Vandersteen 1C for rears (90dB, 38Hz-22KHz, 8" Woof, 1" tweet)

Thoughts on my idea of replacing all these with the JTR's? We listen to movies at mid level volumes, but we do like action movies and like to feel the punch
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post #4774 of 8428
9/21/12 at 6:30am
Thy dynamics you will see with the JTR's will absolutely blow your mind. Your setup might take the cake with music listening at moderate volumes as the BW's are certainly some good speakers, but when it comes to movie viewing, there is absolutely no comparison. And all this with a lot less required power. I dont know what you are using to power your current set but at 89db, they arent quite in the same ballpark efficiency-wise.
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post #4775 of 8428
9/21/12 at 6:32am
As much as I do not like recommending the T8's over the T12'S in your case
I do. Based on the equipment you are keeping and your room is not Too Big,
the T8's with the single 8's should SHINE.
As nice as that sub is the T12's will flat out leave it behind the closer you get
to reference levels. NO DOUBT!
If your plans are to upgrade everything as $$$ allows and over the coarse of time
then the T12's are an Excellent start.
Think more about your future plans and ask as many Questions as you need.
All JTR products will work great in your room
My 2 cents
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 9/25/12 at 6:28am
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post #4776 of 8428
9/21/12 at 6:45am
Its always tough to make a decision on a total system change unheard. I'm currently contemplating a move from my Klipsch Ultra2's to the 12HT's (CD or horn, sealed or ported....yet to be decided). The ADA MPA-500 and BPA-500 amps I just bought are arriving today and will be put through their paces this weekend.

Therefore is there anyone in the Dallas area with Triple 8 or 12's who would be willing demo their system. I have a dedicated HT with a modded Sony G90 projector and would be happy to return the favor if there was an interest in seeing what the best CRT projector can do.
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post #4777 of 8428
9/21/12 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

OK so I'm really intrigued by the JTR's, wondering about thoughts on replacing LCR B&W speakers with either triple 12's or triple 8's, replacing sides and rears with single 8's. Also considering SHO-10 upcoming towers. I've had the below B&W speakers for 6 years, second owner, bought for really good price. Used to listen to music more, but now really 90% home theater usage. I have a JL Audio F113 sub that I love and will keep.
Dedicated Home Theater Room 15x21x9 ~ 2850 cf
Cinenova 7x300 amp
Replacing Integra DHC 9.9 processor (new Marantz 8801 maybe)
keeping JL Audio F113 sub (16-86Hz, 2500W amp, calibration mic, 130lbs)
The speakers in question to be replaced:
B&W 804 fronts and matching HTM3 center (2x6.5" woofer, 6.5"mid, 1" tweeter, 89dB, crossovers 350Hz & 450KHz, 42Hz-22KHz, 53lbs
B&W CWM 362 in-wall surrounds (89dB, 50Hz-30KHz, 6" base/midrange, 1" tweeter 2-way speakers)
Old Vandersteen 1C for rears (90dB, 38Hz-22KHz, 8" Woof, 1" tweet)
Thoughts on my idea of replacing all these with the JTR's? We listen to movies at mid level volumes, but we do like action movies and like to feel the punch

Mark,

Since you seem to be dancing around the entrance to the rabbit hole...eek.gifbiggrin.gif

I had two JL Audio f113's and two Velodyne DD-15's. I replaced them with four Seaton SubMersive HP's, and realized a significant improvement. JTR has some very nice subwoofer offerings as well. I am glad that someone pointed me in the direction of Seaton / JTR products.

I hope this helps.

Mark
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post #4778 of 8428
9/21/12 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

OK so I'm really intrigued by the JTR's, wondering about thoughts on replacing LCR B&W speakers with either triple 12's or triple 8's, replacing sides and rears with single 8's. Also considering SHO-10 upcoming towers. I've had the below B&W speakers for 6 years, second owner, bought for really good price. Used to listen to music more, but now really 90% home theater usage. I have a JL Audio F113 sub that I love and will keep.
Dedicated Home Theater Room 15x21x9 ~ 2850 cf
Cinenova 7x300 amp
Replacing Integra DHC 9.9 processor (new Marantz 8801 maybe)
keeping JL Audio F113 sub (16-86Hz, 2500W amp, calibration mic, 130lbs)
The speakers in question to be replaced:
B&W 804 fronts and matching HTM3 center (2x6.5" woofer, 6.5"mid, 1" tweeter, 89dB, crossovers 350Hz & 450KHz, 42Hz-22KHz, 53lbs
B&W CWM 362 in-wall surrounds (89dB, 50Hz-30KHz, 6" base/midrange, 1" tweeter 2-way speakers)
Old Vandersteen 1C for rears (90dB, 38Hz-22KHz, 8" Woof, 1" tweet)
Thoughts on my idea of replacing all these with the JTR's? We listen to movies at mid level volumes, but we do like action movies and like to feel the punch

Hi Mark,

I agree with Chris's comments above. For your size room, the Triple8's will give you the additional "punch" you are looking for plus, I think you will find that they are at least equal to the B&W's for music. With the F113, you can cross them anywhere from 80-120hz depending on sub placement and your preferences. The Single/Slanted 8's are perfect for surround duty and as noted above I am using that configuration in my 3600^3 HT (only with a Slanted 8 as CC) and it sounds great. Not quite the huge front stage the Triple 12's present but it is sounding amazing right up to reference level.

I'd try to hear them before buying if you can as this is all very subjective but based upon your room and usage, I am comfortable with the recommendation.

BTW, I got an email from the gent who bought my Triple 12's late last night and he said:
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Oh my god!!!

That's all I have to say right now!

I completely understand his reaction ... smile.gif
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post #4779 of 8428
9/21/12 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by lewis View Post

Its always tough to make a decision on a total system change unheard. I'm currently contemplating a move from my Klipsch Ultra2's to the 12HT's (CD or horn, sealed or ported....yet to be decided). The ADA MPA-500 and BPA-500 amps I just bought are arriving today and will be put through their paces this weekend.
Therefore is there anyone in the Dallas area with Triple 8 or 12's who would be willing demo their system. I have a dedicated HT with a modded Sony G90 projector and would be happy to return the favor if there was an interest in seeing what the best CRT projector can do.

Hi Lewis,
I live in Weatherford (so kinda close to Dallas as long as it's not rush hour!) and should have a full 9.2 JTR setup within the next couple weeks, just not right at this moment. Jeff should be finishing up my 12's slant 8's and S2 maybe today so hopefully I'll get them sometime next week. I'd be more than happy to give a demo after I get everything setup and calibrated.
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post #4780 of 8428
9/21/12 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by Brady84 View Post

Hi Lewis,
I live in Weatherford (so kinda close to Dallas as long as it's not rush hour!) and should have a full 9.2 JTR setup within the next couple weeks, just not right at this moment. Jeff should be finishing up my 12's slant 8's and S2 maybe today so hopefully I'll get them sometime next week. I'd be more than happy to give a demo after I get everything setup and calibrated.

That would be fantastic. Just PM me when you're ready..... Did you go for the ported or enclosed 12's?
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post #4781 of 8428
9/21/12 at 9:46am
I think the "OMG" reaction is pretty much what everyone says their first time lol
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post #4782 of 8428
9/21/12 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I think the "OMG" reaction is pretty much what everyone says their first time lol

Yeah, it's like that guy in the chair in the old Maxell print ad ... wink.gif


Edited by RMK! - 9/21/12 at 12:52pm
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post #4783 of 8428
9/21/12 at 12:41pm
Hey guys, I'm new to the whole audio world. Really truly a newbie. I've been looking for speakers for a HT I'm building and JTR triple 8s are on my short list. I was thinking bout going with the triple 8s for lcr. I have someone who has two and is not using them so trying to sell them, I would then buy another from JTR. They are the 2010 professional triple 8x. What is the difference between those and the triple 8HT? Also is $1700 for the pair a fair deal? It's tough since there's not any for sale on the secondary market, so I don't know what a used price should be.

Thanks for any help.
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post #4784 of 8428
9/21/12 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by JC507JC View Post

Hey guys, I'm new to the whole audio world. Really truly a newbie. I've been looking for speakers for a HT I'm building and JTR triple 8s are on my short list. I was thinking bout going with the triple 8s for lcr. I have someone who has two and is not using them so trying to sell them, I would then buy another from JTR. They are the 2010 professional triple 8x. What is the difference between those and the triple 8HT? Also is $1700 for the pair a fair deal? It's tough since there's not any for sale on the secondary market, so I don't know what a used price should be.
Thanks for any help.

Your "Friend" needs to drop their price a bit: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1427851/2-jtr-t8

And I still think that is a little high.
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post #4785 of 8428
9/21/12 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by JC507JC View Post

Hey guys, I'm new to the whole audio world. Really truly a newbie. I've been looking for speakers for a HT I'm building and JTR triple 8s are on my short list. I was thinking bout going with the triple 8s for lcr. I have someone who has two and is not using them so trying to sell them, I would then buy another from JTR. They are the 2010 professional triple 8x. What is the difference between those and the triple 8HT? Also is $1700 for the pair a fair deal? It's tough since there's not any for sale on the secondary market, so I don't know what a used price should be.
Thanks for any help.

Although similar, the pro versions are true PA type speakers and will sound a little different than the vented let alone sealed Triple 8HT's. Also the 2012 models have an upgraded crossover and compression driver so will sound even more different that the 2010 Pro T8. If it were me, I'd spend the few extra $ and get three new T8's as my LCR's. Bottom line, they are virtually indestructible so if you like the sound you can keep and enjoy them for many years to come. smile.gif
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post #4786 of 8428
9/21/12 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by JC507JC View Post

Hey guys, I'm new to the whole audio world. Really truly a newbie. I've been looking for speakers for a HT I'm building and JTR triple 8s are on my short list. I was thinking bout going with the triple 8s for lcr. I have someone who has two and is not using them so trying to sell them, I would then buy another from JTR. They are the 2010 professional triple 8x. What is the difference between those and the triple 8HT? Also is $1700 for the pair a fair deal? It's tough since there's not any for sale on the secondary market, so I don't know what a used price should be.
Thanks for any help.
I agree with BeastA on the $$$$ also the CD and crossover has changed since 2010.
The pair on the classifieds is fair if that is shipped and you can match the CD and crossover
since those are the new model.
Your friend sounds like he has a high value on his equipment.
You can do better
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 9/21/12 at 1:14pm
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post #4787 of 8428
9/21/12 at 1:04pm
I sold 3 T8's and 2 slant 8's for $2,500 altogether FWIW. They were all bought in Nov 2009 so not sure what model that makes them. $1,700 for a pair seems a bit steep.
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post #4788 of 8428
9/21/12 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Your "Friend" needs to drop their price a bit: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1427851/2-jtr-t8
And I still think that is a little high.

In my opinion, the "vintage" or production time of a used JTR speakers is a key factor in value determination, as Jeff was making changes every year, I think, until late 2011. Determining the vintage is a challenge, as there are no serial numbers, and owner memories also fade fast. I would ask to see the invoice, and then search around the purchase timeframe in this thread (or in the JTR forums) before buying. With each production change, I think they were being discussed in this thread, so that is sort of a running history.

Mark
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post #4789 of 8428
9/21/12 at 1:07pm
I'd also ask Jeff how much difference there is between designs. The guy that bought mine talked to Jeff and Jeff told him there wasn't a big difference between mine and some new ones so he bought mine.
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post #4790 of 8428
9/21/12 at 1:12pm
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In my opinion, the "vintage" or production time of a used JTR speakers is a key factor in value determination, as Jeff was making changes every year, I think, until late 2011. Determining the vintage is a challenge, as there are no serial numbers, and owner memories also fade fast. I would ask to see the invoice, and then search around the purchase timeframe in this thread (or in the JTR forums) before buying. With each production change, I think they were being discussed in this thread, so that is sort of a running history.
Mark
I am sure you could call Jeff to find any past information about
products sold to who and what model they purchased.
If everyone is trying to be honest then its only fair.
Chris
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post #4791 of 8428
9/21/12 at 1:13pm
Wow guys, thanks for all the info, and very quickly. The ones here seem like a great deal including shipping. Got some more reading to do. Thanks again everyone.
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post #4792 of 8428
9/21/12 at 1:13pm
Wow guys, thanks for all the info, and very quickly. The ones here seem like a great deal including shipping. Got some more reading to do. Thanks again everyone.
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post #4793 of 8428
9/21/12 at 2:00pm
Thanks guys for all the replies. I'm pumped.

Of course I'm going to contact JTR, but what is a typical wait for receiving speakers once ordered?

A second question...lots of triple 8's and 12's, but why no mention really of quintuple 8's, is it that those of you who go beyond triple 8's just move up to the 12's?
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post #4794 of 8428
9/21/12 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

Thanks guys for all the replies. I'm pumped.
Of course I'm going to contact JTR, but what is a typical wait for receiving speakers once ordered?
A second question...lots of triple 8's and 12's, but why no mention really of quintuple 8's, is it that those of you who go beyond triple 8's just move up to the 12's?

Q1 Depends upon availability of drivers (cabinets are easy) but approx 1 month seems to be the current lead time.
Q2 That is probably a pretty good guess. Another speculation is that the form factor of the Q8's might work better in some rooms.
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post #4795 of 8428
9/21/12 at 10:19pm
Since the new horns are coming out, if anyone wants to sell their 2012 (latest) t12s or t8s, let me know
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post #4796 of 8428
9/23/12 at 9:13am
Well after spending a few days with the temp setup I must say that I am surprised how good the system sounds. The most amazing thing is how going from a T12 CC to a Slanted 8 has made very little difference in dialog intelligibility. I was expecting a big difference with the significant downsizing of the CC but after two movies and some music, I find very little difference. This speaks more to the capability of the Single coaxial 8" driver/crossover Jeff uses rather than any deficit of the T12. I expected the Triple 8's to hold their own as the mains but again, the big surprise is the performance of the Slanted 8 center.

This is not to say there is no difference. There is a noticeable strain as the spl nears reference level especially when running the familiar bluray demos for LFE and surround sound. The huge wall of sound, goose bump generating effect of the T12 has been lessened. With multi-channel music, the Slanted 8's do not provide the level of impact and detail of the Triple 8's. But, if I had not know and become accustomed to that level of performance, I'm sure I would be very happy with the current system config.
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post #4797 of 8428
9/23/12 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Well after spending a few days with the temp setup I must say that I am surprised how good the system sounds. The most amazing thing is how going from a T12 CC to a Slanted 8 has made very little difference in dialog intelligibility. I was expecting a big difference with the significant downsizing of the CC but after two movies and some music, I find very little difference. This speaks more to the capability of the Single coaxial 8" driver/crossover Jeff uses rather than any deficit of the T12. I expected the Triple 8's to hold their own as the mains but again, the big surprise is the performance of the Slanted 8 center.

This is not to say there is no difference. There is a noticeable strain as the spl nears reference level especially when running the familiar bluray demos for LFE and surround sound. The huge wall of sound, goose bump generating effect of the T12 has been lessened. With multi-channel music, the Slanted 8's do not provide the level of impact and detail of the Triple 8's. But, if I had not know and become accustomed to that level of performance, I'm sure I would be very happy with the current system config.

I have triple 12x for l/r and a single 8x for center and I have to agree. I love it. I don't have space for a triple 12x for center so I am happy with the compromise to say the least.
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post #4798 of 8428
9/23/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by thebuckaman View Post

I have triple 12x for l/r and a single 8x for center and I have to agree. I love it. I don't have space for a triple 12x for center so I am happy with the compromise to say the least.

What crossover setting are you using for the CC? Audyssey (being Audyssey rolleyes.gif ) set the S8 center to 50hz. I bumped it to 100hz and probably should move it up to 120hz.
Edited by RMK! - 9/24/12 at 7:59am
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post #4799 of 8428
9/24/12 at 4:31pm
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I have triple 12x for l/r and a single 8x for center and I have to agree. I love it. I don't have space for a triple 12x for center so I am happy with the compromise to say the least.

What crossover setting are you using for the CC? Audyssey (being Audyssey rolleyes.gif ) set the S8 center to 50hz. I bumped it to 100hz and probably should move it up to 120hz.

Audyssey set mine to 120hz and the triple12x to 60hz.
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post #4800 of 8428
9/25/12 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

Thanks guys for all the replies. I'm pumped.
Of course I'm going to contact JTR, but what is a typical wait for receiving speakers once ordered?
A second question...lots of triple 8's and 12's, but why no mention really of quintuple 8's, is it that those of you who go beyond triple 8's just move up to the 12's?

there aren't that many quintuple owners out there, mainly because like you said, they jump from t8 to t12, i went with quintuple due to center channel height constraints.
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