Official JTR speaker thread - Page 165

FYI: Slanted 8's worked out for my height speakers, and the mounting solution was a fairly quick DIY project.

Mark

Ive been a DIY'er from the get-go. Since the incorrect installation of my first car stereo system I have always taken pride in knowing that when I do it, that it is done to perfection. I have built every other speaker in my room, and the room itself from the ground up. When you look at speaker building projects as therapy/fun time, then it doesn't seem bad at all, actually it's rather relaxing. I'm not saying that speaker building is for everyone, but in my particular scenario I am more than willing to spend a little of my time, to save a WHOLE lot of money. Once my new build is said and done, I will be out around a total of $1,000 for LCR speakers that will be excellent performers. I may take one or two listens and decide I like the JTR's better, at which point I may look at the noesis line, but I know for a fact that the constant directivity design will work better in my room than the 90* dispersion patter of the JTR coax, I just cant get them far enough off the side wall.

A car audio background seems to be a common thread among many HT audio DIY'ers. It's good to have the passion behind a project and I understand the therapeutic value and cost saving advantages. You are lucky to have found a hobby that provides both, and I hope your speakers give you the sound you are looking for. That would be a nice accomplishment.

Truly, it took a system wired mono that the shop insured me was not, but I knew something was off. After dissecting the system and rewiring myself, I found the passion. That as at the age of 16, now that I have a ROOM to play in, I dont even do car audio any more...


Im doing the same, but building the boxes myself, that is pretty much the only difference. As I have stated, the narrower dispersion pattern of this design should play better than the JTR's, but I did have the JTR's so well dialed in that I really appreciated the first order reflections I still got from the side wall. Concert BD's were truly spectacular...

As Fat Bastard so wisely said, "everyone prefers their own brand .... don't they" ...

Keith Yates visited my HT for a couple of GTG's and on one occasion gave me some free advice. His take was that too much emphasis was placed upon side wall 1st reflections. He suggested treating an 8-10 foot wide swath from the front wall to ceiling to down the back wall. Although i still have side wall acoustic panels, I added ceiling and back wall treatments based upon that advice. It sounds pretty good to me ...

Interesting!!! so you did the full solid treatment all the way across your entire room? are your LR speakers inside that 8-10 feet of deadening or are they outside and using their own additional panels? Got any pics to what you did? Im very interested in how you have it set up Right now I am not rocking any ceiling treatments, but I DO have front side and rear wall (4inchers back there) as well as a few extra panels that I still havent placed...

EDIT: yep the first order reflections are most commonly misinterpreted and in some cases can even be beneficial to the sound. It is the second and third order that really cause the issues and can muck up even the best systems

I have most of the ceiling treated along with the front and back walls (again, mostly). i didn't want to over-deaden the room so I left some areas untreated. The mains are just within the center ceiling treatments.

I think my build thread has some pics but I'll check and see if there are any better ones that show the ceiling treatments. If not, I'll take a pic tonight and post it.

I agree about the first reflections. They give the sound some life and make live music sound well ... live.

Hey guys,

I'm looking at getting some surrounds to keep up with my new Noesis LCRs.

Any suggestions?

Probably prefer direct radiating, as oppose to dipole/bipole.

Would like to keep budget under $500 each.

The SHO-10s seem like pretty good value for money, but vaguely recall reading some issues with CHT.

Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks.

I'm using CHT Pro-10s with my T12s. They are working splendidly, absolutely no complaints here, best surrounds I've had.

-RMB

I have been looking for almost a year now for the surrounds to match my T12's and I have come to the conclusion
that no $500. speaker can keep up. My room is about 3500 cubic feet so the closer I get to reference the further
the surrounds fall behind. At about -15 the T12's seam to get a "nitro boost" and just take off.
The Noesis will be even harder to keep up with. The Slant 8's or T8's would work perferct but they cost $$$$.
My 2 cents about the SHO-10"s are happy and satisfied at first but in little time you will see them as the weak link
in your system and wish you had your $$$ back.
It really depends on your room size and expectations.
Good Luck
Chris

That is not true. They would keep up and sound good doing so. Having said that you need to timbre match IMHO and your best solution are slanted 8's or single 8's(SHO-10's are louder than those) but these will have better timbre. If you are spending the money on the new JTR's you need to suck it up and match them! The single 8's and slants will work great and be your best bet.

Facts are true and false.Opinions are just that and nothing more.
You and I have VERY different views on audio so saying my views are not true is WEAK at best.
When it comes to me Mind your business.
WVChris

I can say from experience that the CHTs do keep up just fine(especially with surround duty) I even used one as a Center while waiting for my third T12 ... do the math with their specs.
Timbre can be of concern but like I said, I'm not having any problems. It is quite surprising how well they do match up and, after calibration its even less of a concern.
If you are not wanting to shell out the extra dough, these will do a fine job, maybe not quite as well as timbre matched JTRs but with the price difference I see it as a fair compromise.

-RMB

I was into db drag racing as well. My Toyota Tacoma had a wall of 4 Rockford Fosgate Power 15s in the extended cab in a 12 cubic ft ported enclosure. RF Power 1000 amp per sub. I hit 159.6 db at a meet with my windows down. I do belive the db meters used in car audio use different weighting to there mics tho IIRC. I have mild tinnitus in my left ear that comes and goes from it.
Edited by Reddig - 10/12/12 at 9:16am

I too have very mild tinnitus in my left ear that is only noticeable if I plug my ear. Sometimes it goes away completely. 160db is totally unsafe, even at just short blurps. At 160db it is very,very hard to breath and a few people have passed out even in my old 159db Toyota Tacoma.

Superaaaa
Since you live in Australia I understand that making the correct choice is
pretty important. If $500 is the limit then I am sure the Sho 10's will work.
You will have a system with Excellent front speakers and "good enough" rears
and there is nothing wrong with that.
The Noesis is the next level of JTR speakers so your surround speakers may be
important or may not be, that is where You have to make the decision.
The more seamless your speakers are the better your theater is.
3 Noesis 12 LCR
4 Sho 10 surrounds and rears
Which is the weak link here?
Once you actually here the clarity of Noesis 12's it will make more since.
It is the age old question we all have to ask ourselves sooner or later
"Do I go with what I can afford now or wait till I can save for what I really want?"
If nothing else patience is my true recomendation.
Chris

What? Really? You must be having a bad day or something. You are telling people that they won't be satisfied based on your opinion and I hope your experience with them. You don't know that, the FACT is they can keep up until the SHO's reach their limit which would be deafening anyways, the biggest problem is timbre and sound matching, not volume(again, unless you listen to 127 dBs from the speakers ).

It is about making the best desicion.
I told him my opinion and made it clear that it is just 2cents.
I definitly do not feel like debating anything with you MK as I
find you to be an instigator which is OK Face to face but not
for me on the internet. I SERIOUSLY lack the spelling and typing
skills to to do this and come off as stupid when I try.
WVChris

Sorry you feel that way, you think I am an instigator? How? I have been pushing JTR before you guys knew it existed. I love their products. I did say if spending that much on the JTR front stage one needs to step up to the surrounds for the best, SHO-10's would keep up but the timbre would be off and not the best. How am I instigating? I recently put 3 systems together, one was budget, one was performance, the other was balls to the walls performance DIY. I used CHT, JTR, and BFM. I am not biased, I use the correct tool for the job.

Agree 110% with you on this. You get what you pay for, and do it right not half as**d.

You have had virtually every speaker and system known on this AVS forum. I concede your knowledge on all things audio is at a
Very High Level. You posts are generally very helpful and you are probably a valuable asset to just about everyone on here.
You just have a very high opinion of yourself and it comes off in your posts.
Telling me my opinion is not true flat out pisses me off.
I do not feel that the sho 10 are a great match for the NOESIS or my T12's and that is Ok for me to
have as my opinion.
And no I have not heard the Sho 10 anymore than you have heard the Noesis 12's.
A couple months ago I asked you about hearing the T12's and you said since you owned the T8's lp there was no
need.
I am going to restate it one more time $500 speakers might work for many but not for me and my tastes. I never go past reference and generally keep it at -10.
When I say "cant keep up" I am speaking more to hearing distortion or compression the closer you get to reference.
I want No weak links in my system and just thought I would point that out to a man who lives in Australia purchasing the best speakers JTR offers so there
would not be any confusion. It has Absoloutly nothing to do with Sho 10's or JTR's. It was a direct statement to his question not a generalization on surrounds.
It is also the choice I am currently struggling with myself since I do not want to have to make this choice again. I will be keeping my system for many years to come.
This is way more than I ever wanted to say.
I would love to let it be so please MK go ahead and get the last word in so we can be finished with whatever this is
I truly apologize to everyone who had to read this.
Sorry for the waste of time.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 10/12/12 at 11:32am

SSSSHHHHHHH Don't say that!!!!! haha.

Those contemplating surrounds, if you wanna build a box, you should maybe have a look at my 10" coaxial build that i still use, they sound awesome and work magic with t-12's,especially with the selenium CD in there, but even the budget isnt all that bad...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1353658/budget-eminence-coaxial-surround-build

Wow, take a breath everyone...

I have always felt that you could use just about any surrounds for HT duty and get away with it. M/C music is another matter and that is when timbre matching is a much bigger issue. I like keeping all my speakers as close to the same as is possible but 9 Noesis 212HT-LP's was out of the question .

I agree that using other surround for movies is generally fine but if you are doing multi-channel music, I've never head a system that sounds as good as having speakers from at least the same family. When I first got my T12's, I was using paradigm 100's as my side and 60's as my back surround. I giggle now when I realized how horrible it sounded once I got a taste how the JTR surrounds sounded. The S8's really are amazing speakers for their size.

You're not kidding about the S8's. I have been using one a center channel for a few weeks now and it does an amazing job. Most who have watched movies with me in the last couple of weeks didn't even notice the difference between the S8 and the Triple 12 center.

Now when I play music loud, or if I could do a true A/B the differences would become more readily apparent.