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post #5041 of 18680
Well, 6 six people have now heard the Noesis.
post #5042 of 18680
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

Well, 6 six people have now heard the Noesis.

Care to share their impressions......
post #5043 of 18680
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

Care to share their impressions......

I just spent a couple of hours with the Noesis tonight. I did a quick 5 position Audyssey, then set the Xovers to my liking and tweaked the speaker levels slightly based upon my digital SPL meter. Audyssey cut the Noesis to the max -12db and that was still produced 78 db test tone. I adjusted all of the speaker levels to 78db except the sub which were 75db @ approx -7-8 db.

It was all music listening from sources that I know well. The Noesis horns produce midbass like no other speaker I have heard. I listened to a DVD-Audio of the Doobie Brothers classic rock album 'The Captain and Me", several songs from the Eagles Farewell Tour from Melbourne (HD-DVD) and finally Michael Jacksons This Is It bluray.

There were moments that I heard goose bump generating detail in the music that I hadn't heard since my days with the the Revel Ultima Studios and then other times where I felt they were a little too harsh in the high frequencies. Before that opinion could solidify they would produce amazing detail again and have just the right tone and instrument separation, I don't believe in speaker break-in but it almost seems like that is exactly what the Noesis need, Perhaps it is me that needs breaking in to the horn sound. Not sure and unfortunately I won't be able to play again for a few days. Guess you could say that I'm happy thus far but not blown away. Like the Triple 12's and 8's, they need subs to sound right so don't even consider them without subs.

I did not listen to any 2 channel music so do not as yet have an opinion on soundstage and imaging. I place the speakers with very little toe-in and would like to try increasing the toe-in and just running the mains in 2 channel mode.

Sorry for the rambling but I'm tired and need to get some sleep. I hope some of the PA GTG attendees comment as well as i would like to hear other opinions.8
Edited by RMK! - 10/19/12 at 10:49pm
post #5044 of 18680
Thanks for the initial impressions RMK.

When you say you weren't blown away like the T12s or T8s, are you saying you feel the noesis are a step down?
post #5045 of 18680
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

Thanks for the initial impressions RMK.
When you say you weren't blown away like the T12s or T8s, are you saying you feel the noesis are a step down?

I think you are combining two different sentences that each had a different subject.

Sentence 1: RMK! is happy, but not blown away. (subjective impression)
Sentence 2: The Noesis, like the T8 and T12, need to be used with a sub. (Recommendation to not try to use the Noesis, or the T8, or T12, as a full range speaker by themselves)
post #5046 of 18680
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Originally Posted by Snowmanick View Post

I think you are combining two different sentences that each had a different subject.
Sentence 1: RMK! is happy, but not blown away.
Sentence 2: The Noesis, like the T8 and T12, need to be used with a sub.

You're right - I missed the full stop rolleyes.gif
post #5047 of 18680
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

You're right - I missed the full stop rolleyes.gif

Ok can't sleep so I'll try and elaborate a bit and yes these are all subjective impressions. It is probably more of a result of having the T12's for so long and having them perfectly dialed in EQ and position wise that made me say I wasn't "blown away". Honestly, no speaker has blown me away in a very long time and the Triple 12's were just so good in my setup with the Orbit Shifters that it was unrealistic to expect to be wowed with such a hasty setup. .

I don't have time to run XTZ Room Analyzer and I want to run a full Audyssey Calibration along with some position variation (toe in) when I return next week. I suppose a good way to say it is that I feel the Noesis have the potential to be very special but they will take more time to setup properly. Certainly more time than the 15- 20 minutes I gave them today.
post #5048 of 18680
Rob
This time next week I predict you will have it figured out.
True love is forever so you will never forget the T12's. Especially so soon
after the break up.
The potential for your new Noesis 212's are "almost" limitless and your exactly the man to
to squeeze every ounce of performance out of them.
We all on here are excited for you.
Chris
post #5049 of 18680
The Noesis have little to no voicing and flat frequency response can sound a little bright and foward if your not use to it.
post #5050 of 18680
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

The Noesis have little to no voicing and flat frequency response can sound a little bright and foward if your not use to it.
Anyone who has not heard your speakers or have only heard the T8's will be severely overwhelmed with you
doing the demo and being there to answer questions and explaining the goals you set with this Noesis 212.
This GTG should be your "shinning moment" to all us "bassheads and powerlovers".
People who have owned the T12'S already have high expectations so it will surely be a "getting use to it" change.
Jeff you got this one, take a deep breathe and run the bases with a trot today because you just hit a homerun.
I have no doubt you will.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 10/20/12 at 2:36pm
post #5051 of 18680
Just throwing this out as well. When Audyssey was dropping my trim levels all the way down I noticed my sound seemed brighter. After I fixed that situation(I used Line attenuators) the brightness seems less.
Could be something to look into.

-RMB
post #5052 of 18680
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Originally Posted by Rmb1080p View Post

Just throwing this out as well. When Audyssey was dropping my trim levels all the way down I noticed my sound seemed brighter. After I fixed that situation(I used Line attenuators) the brightness seems less.
Could be something to look into.
-RMB

That is an interesting idea and I may give it a try. Thanks ...

Oh and I 'm not saying I didn't like the Noesis. I'm saying that I think they need some tweaking in my room to sound their best. They were effortless at well over reference level (peaks in the 120's) and the sound was not abrasive even that loud. I think the Orbit Shifters have met their match speaker wise ... biggrin.gif

They are keepers and I will enjoy getting the best out of them.
post #5053 of 18680
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Anyone who has not heard your speakers or have only heard the T8's will be severally overwhelmed with you
doing the demo and being there to answer questions and explaining the goals you set with this Noesis 212.
This GTG should be your "shinning moment" to all us "bassheads and powerlovers".
People who have owned the T12'S already have high expectations so it will surely be a "getting use to it" change.
Jeff you got this one, take a deep breathe and run the bases with a trot today because you just hit a homerun.
I have no doubt you will.
Chris

Thanks Chris. I've been getting asked the difference between the Noesis and the Triple 12. The Noesis:

- has more directivity so it is much less effected by the "room".

- horn loaded mid range has more output capability (115db/1w+1000w peak=145db) for even more effortless sound.

- has a smoother high frequency response and more even coverage because the horn is a better wave guide than the coaxial.
post #5054 of 18680
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Wow. Those look really big. I was glad to have my MDX when I picked up my 3 T8's and 2 slant 8's. That volt is gonna be tight.

I am glad that my wife drives an MDX as well last night. I picked my S2 up from the terminal last night to avoid waiting for delivery on Monday and it fit perfectly in the back. The real challenge was getting the 190 lb beast down the stairs and into the theater without breaking it or the stairs, even with an appliance dolly it was a little sketchy.

I can't wait to get it unboxed.
post #5055 of 18680
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

I am glad that my wife drives an MDX as well last night. I picked my S2 up from the terminal last night to avoid waiting for delivery on Monday and it fit perfectly in the back. The real challenge was getting the 190 lb beast down the stairs and into the theater without breaking it or the stairs, even with an appliance dolly it was a little sketchy.
I can't wait to get it unboxed.

Tell me about it ... I humped the Noesis up two fights of stairs myself last night. Luckily they're only 110lbs each ... smile.gif

You are now in possession of subs that match the output capability of your speakers. Enjoy!
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post #5056 of 18680
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

I am glad that my wife drives an MDX as well last night. I picked my S2 up from the terminal last night to avoid waiting for delivery on Monday and it fit perfectly in the back. The real challenge was getting the 190 lb beast down the stairs and into the theater without breaking it or the stairs, even with an appliance dolly it was a little sketchy.
I can't wait to get it unboxed.

Tell me about it ... I humped the Noesis up two fights of stairs myself last night. Luckily they're only 110lbs each ... smile.gif

You are now in possession of subs that match the output capability of your speakers. Enjoy!
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Thanks! I will.

Wow, I didn't realize the Noesis were that heavy. I can't wait to hear your impressions, once you have them dialed in.

I don't have to be back at work until Wednesday and the rest of the house is pretty much done, so I should have working audio in the room, with my temporary surrounds. I miss music on my T8's.

Now I just need to buy a new projector, more acoustic panels, Slanted 8 surrounds and seating... Now that I list it all, it sounds like a lot.
post #5057 of 18680
I think after Xmas, I'm gonna hit up a set! the wife has already rolled her eyes at me lol. I can't wait to get my custom Q8 !!!
post #5058 of 18680
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I think after Xmas, I'm gonna hit up a set! the wife has already rolled her eyes at me lol. I can't wait to get my custom Q8 !!!
Custom Q8's... Do share
post #5059 of 18680
So, now i have bought 6 JTR speakers from two fellow AVS members. My room won't be done for a few weeks but I am trying to plan ahead. How have others mounted JTR 8s for surroun duty. On a shelf? WIth a mount...if so, what kind? I assume it would have to go into a stud?
post #5060 of 18680
RMK mounted his with a French cleat. I assume it went into a stud as T8's weigh 50 lbs or more each, depending on the year and type. There are pictures of it either on this thread or on his room thread.
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Originally Posted by Jedirun View Post

RMK mounted his with a French cleat. I assume it went into a stud as T8's weigh 50 lbs or more each, depending on the year and type. There are pictures of it either on this thread or on his room thread.

When wall mounting you should always try and hit a stud with the anchors but if that isn't possible then heavy duty anchors of other types can be used. Look at the load limits of what ever you are considering and how flush you want them mounted. Lots of options in the HT build threads and if you browse some of those you'll get some good ideas.

i did hang my 2009 T8'HT side surrounds with french cleats but when I ordered the 2011 T8-lp"s I had Jeff install the keyhole mounts and have used those until this week. They are now sitting on top of a pair of GIK Bass traps but will likely get remounted on the walls later.

I wanted the LP's as side surrounds as they are a few inches smaller depth wise and they make a great surround speaker. Of course so do the single 8's ... smile.gif
Edited by RMK! - 10/20/12 at 9:39pm
post #5062 of 18680
I ended up usning the BR1, but they worked best for me using 2 of them. With one they do not hold position very well with the weight of the T8, with two they work great. The positive part is the are on swivels if you need that, the down side is they are away from the wall severall inches to accomadate the swivel action. I only did this with one speaker with the other I direct mounted with #8 screws which fit into the keyholes mounts RMK is referring to.




http://jtrspeakers.websitetoolbox.com/post/Speaker-installation-4302163
http://www.htd.com/speaker-cables-accessories/Wall-Mount-Speaker-Brackets/BR1-Heavy-Duty-Brackets
post #5063 of 18680
Thanks for the feedback. I don't physically have the JTR speakes yet. D the triple 8s all have the keyhole slot or only if special ordered through JTR?
post #5064 of 18680
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Thanks for the feedback. I don't physically have the JTR speakes yet. D the triple 8s all have the keyhole slot or only if special ordered through JTR?
T8 HT-LP sealed version does.
What year and model T8'S did you buy?
Chris
post #5065 of 18680
I bought:
1)3 2009 triple 8s (two of these will likely be for front Audessey DSX and one for surround..so I need to find one more triple 8 to buy)
2)1 2011 triple 8 to match with
3)2 2011 triple 12s (these will be front LCR)

Still need at least one more triple 8 to round out my set-up for 7.1.
post #5066 of 18680
Try to match one of those exact models. Right now you have 3 different crossovers and
compression drivers . You do not want a 4th one in there if possible. You could always try
to match your T12 for LCR.
You can go to JTRspeakers website and click on forum to see all the past and present designs.
Chris
post #5067 of 18680
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

I bought:
1)3 2009 triple 8s (two of these will likely be for front Audessey DSX and one for surround..so I need to find one more triple 8 to buy)
2)1 2011 triple 8 to match with
3)2 2011 triple 12s (these will be front LCR)
Still need at least one more triple 8 to round out my set-up for 7.1.

I might be looking for another Triple12 so that the LCR's are matched but of course, you need a lot more room for a T12 Center channel so that may be your issue.

Also, Chris (above^) is correct that there have been changes in the compression drivers and slight modifications to the crossovers in the various model years. These were more refinements than big changes to the actual sound (voicing) of the speakers. Getting the front LCR's closely matched is best but there have been a number of owners who used T12 as right and left and a T8 as center. Having just used Triple 8LP's as L&R and a older version Slanted 8 as center for my temp setup waiting for the Noesis, I found this temp combo to sound really good... surprisingly good actually ... smile.gif
Edited by RMK! - 10/21/12 at 7:50am
post #5068 of 18680
Thanks RMK. I did read there were slight changes over the year. That is why I am matching up the 2011s as my front three channels as I want them to be voiced as similar as possible. I am not as concerned with the DSX wide or surround speakers being a perfect sonic match. You are also correct that the a triple 12 center just won't work in my space. I have custom cabinets being built by my contractor to house my new 110 inch screen. I can lay two triple 12s and a triple 8 on their sides and make it work but if I get a third triple 12 as my center I would not have the room left to right (I have 110 inch width to play with and that only leaves 5 inches on each side of the screen if I wanted to try the triple 12 vertically..not nearly enough unfortuantly that way either.
post #5069 of 18680
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Thanks RMK. I did read there were slight changes over the year. That is why I am matching up the 2011s as my front three channels as I want them to be voiced as similar as possible. I am not as concerned with the DSX wide or surround speakers being a perfect sonic match. You are also correct that the a triple 12 center just won't work in my space. I have custom cabinets being built by my contractor to house my new 110 inch screen. I can lay two triple 12s and a triple 8 on their sides and make it work but if I get a third triple 12 as my center I would not have the room left to right (I have 110 inch width to play with and that only leaves 5 inches on each side of the screen if I wanted to try the triple 12 vertically..not nearly enough unfortuantly that way either.

No worries, that configuration will sound great. Just try and get the CD's for the LCR's as close to vertically aligned as possible and you will be good. cool.gif
post #5070 of 18680
Until very recently I had the T8 as center with the T12 as LR and it was fantastic. The Pre pro just set the center about +5db in my particular set up and it worked nicely.
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