Official JTR speaker thread - Page 176

45 minute drive? Good god man what are you waiting for? Borrow a pair and try them out.

I dumped a full Signature system for the JTR 's and haven't regretted it. Everybody's needs and expectations are different though so only you can decide what's best for your setup.You got nothing to lose and actually stand to make bit of coin on the sale of the 'digms with their ever increaceing list prices.

I would love to hear what you think about The Noesis. While it is a completely different design and concept than the Salk M7, I
would like to see what you think about the clarity of this new JTR offering. They would compliment those Dual opposed LMS5400 very well.
The grill looks exactly the same as the Subm HP and I am sure you can get any finish you like.
Glad to see you have an interest in this speaker since you have that big open room to fill with sound.
Looking forward to your opinions and thoughs.
Chris

Thanks Chris.....

never saw anyone post about your visit....

I'm not expecting nor needing them to be as delicate as the M7's but I can appreciate RMK's unique viewpoint for comparisons...

As you know my room is setup to be really clean with aesthetics in mind, so I'm going to have to figure this out... it sure would be nice if these were a tower design....
Otherwise I'd have to build something to put them on.... I'm hoping for a nice veneer, but I haven't seen anything mentioned about that, much less could I find the initial release post.

Still wondering about the intro price..?!?!?

Go to JTRspeakers website and click on the forum below the facebook link. There is some info on pricing and some pictures of past custom veneers.
He also offers matching stands custom to your prefered height. I have 18" stands for my T12's and they make them look like one piece towers.
I got to a point where I cant stand piano black anymore so that flat black textured finish is a refreshing change for me. The Noesis's box
is the same overall size as the T12's but with a square middle for the horn. I am sure Jeff will cut you a great deal as your posts and reviews on
here carry some weight. As of this moment you still have the best subwoofers I have ever seen. IMO The Noesis 212 is a perfect match for them.
Chris
When I say "have seen" I am referring to your pictures and I bought my D-sonic amp based upon your past reviews.
Edited by countryWV - 11/1/12 at 12:03pm

Ahhhh Thank you Chris...

Still trying to put the screen names with the people that showed up with Jeff that Sunday night... I know it was Jeff & dlbeck, but was unclear on who the third guy was..

I was at the forum, didn't see the finishes thread before.... found it..
Do you have a pic of your stands by chance../?!?! LINKY??

Glad the D-Sonic is working out for you, I still have mine up and running as well as the Wyred4Sound, which would ultimately power up the Noesis if I went with them.
And the Dual Opposed LMS's are still doing their thing in my great room....

I got an email out to Jeff..... I'm sure I'll get more answers soon, as well as an audition.

Hi Warpdrv, good to hear from you. The grills are cloth over wood with magnets and yes, the CD is the difference maker. That said, I would contend that any descriptions of the Triple 12's as abrasive in the upper end are based upon bad data. Clearly, the refinement (increased resolution and lower distortion) of the Noesis is due to the new CD. The horns directivity makes it more room friendly and the sum of these differences are subtle but audible.

I know aesthetics are important to you as they should be in that beautiful room of yours . The Signature 8's are nice looking speakers and I'm afraid even with the veneer option and grills, the Noesis would be more industrial looking. The front baffle chamfer of the Cats adds a nice dimension to their appearance and has always made them better looking than the typical JTR offering. Aesthetics aside, the cabinet construction and bracing of the JTR's is excellent. They really are virtually indestructible (as Jeff says, "built to last a lifetime") so you better make sure you like them before buying...

But seriously, I'd be very interested in you take on the Noesis and hope that you get a chance to demo them. Just make sure that you bring some of your favorite music and that YOU are the one with the remote. In my expierence, Jeff likes to quickly go to 11 and as impressive as that is, it makes further detailed listening difficult .

Cheers,
Rob

BTW, the Wyred amp and Noesis speakers is a very nice combo but you will need attenuators ...
Edited by RMK! - 11/1/12 at 2:41pm

Thanks Rob, as always I enjoy wading through your spending habits.....

From my sources - That BMS compression driver is the CATS @$$, super smooth and can handle gobs of power.....
A trusted friend built his own speakers with that CD but with 15" woofs instead. Minor tradeoffs I guess but I don't need anything that is any wider then what the Noesis would bring.
Needless to say my interest is piqued to say the least. We just had a long conversation about it.

If I have to give up some aesthetics to get my theater more balanced in the power dept I can handle it...
I'd like my rig to go to 11 too, but the Sigs just can't accomplish that task nearly as well as these will I can guarantee it....

Well I'll be back here posting my thoughts

As I do yours ...


Cats ass is an interesting metaphor choice ...

I reached a similar conclusion years ago with my Revel Studios. They just didn't have the cojones to do 11 be it R&R or movie sound tracks. Looking forward to your comments.

Warp, I went from the full Signature setup ( 8's, C3 and 4 S2's) IMO the JTR's are better in pretty much every way possible. With just 2 channel music no sub? the 8's are of course the better choice but I don't play music without subs, so that win was a moot point. This was the 12's and not even the Noesis

Who would even talk like that....

Hahahha After spending a quite some time - I'll never ever be wanting more in the bass dept... there is no way I could listen to anything without my LMS's.

Thanks The wait times vary but for S8's I would think 2 weeks or less to build and ship.

Ceiling mounting of the height speakers is a good option. I used a ceiling speaker mount that had swivel/tilt capability so that I could aim the Slanted 8's exactly as I wanted them. You want the heights well ... as high up as possible. Mine are slightly outboard and in front of my main speakers. The height CD is 4' above the mains CD and that is just about right.

Warpdrv, if you ever want to hear the T12lp and T8lp in a well treated theater room with an OS, Empire and two velos, just let me know. I am just south of Milw. I know you are very interested in the Neosis but geting a reference point from the 2012 LP's might be helpful too.

That is an excellent suggestion and generous offer but I'm guessing that Warpdrv is sold on those new compression drivers and anything less is a non-starter.

Appreciate the offer - I'll keep that in mind....

Correct RMK, that is pretty much my mindset on things.....

I'm really in no hurry, and if it weren't to happen until next year - it wouldn't kill me...
My system as it sits is more then most will ever attain, just could use some improvement for more SPL...

Warpdrv,
I too am waiting on the Cat 8ST's (I think that's what they are called). According to Mark, who I met and talked to at CEDIA back in September, he's planning to have the new floorstanding Cats out by the end of this year, so hopefully it won't be too much longer.

Warpdrv
You are in no hurry because you have not heard them yet,
Just wait till you place the order and Jeff tells you 8 - 10 weeks.
I know that am skipping a step(buying them) but judging by what you are looking for
in terms of SPL and pure accuracy not to mention a speaker that will truly keep up with those
LMS's (yes they will) you are just an audition away from being in a hurry.
Hell Yeah !!!
Chris

hahahah

I still have a kid in college as well as mortgage and taxes due Jan 31st
Needless to say - the front 3 will be less then the taxes....

As well as the fact I just dropped about the same amount as the front 3 on a new weapons platform... Can't keep this economy going all on my own...

They are amazing ... just wall mounted the T8-LP's and placed acoustic panels around them. Slightly incereased the toe in of the Noesis, re-ran Ausyssey and watched Abe Linclon, Vampire Hunter bluray. Silly a$$ed movie but really fun. The DTS HD-MA 7.1 sound track makes it worth it and the Noesis make the sound track.

I know I'm sounding like a broken record but damn, these speakers sound great. The closing credits have a song by Linkin Park that just kicks a$$. I have none of their music but cranked it up to +5 reference and it was a religious experience. :cool:

Tell me about it - I know that feeling.

Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter is my Sunday morning movie this week. Silly or not I love that kind of stuff. I am excited to experience this movie with my system. If it is entertaining and the audio is DTS then I am always in. I almost buy every Blu-ray done in 7.1.
Same goes with all concert dvd's done in DTS or just Multichznnel 5.1 as long as it is Rock. LinKin Park Road to Revolution is a kickass Blu-ray concert. Definately worth owning with the JTR'S. It will fire you up.
Every morning before work I watch a concert dvd instead of the old days of listening to the radio. Tv shows like "American Horror Story" , "Justified" , and "Burn Notice" are more entertaing then alot of movies these days and they are recorded in 5.1 to sound great. Vey entertaining.
Even though I lack the words to convey this experience I can say this with confidence "Rob I understand Exactly what you are experiencing" and it is Pure Audio Nirvana.
I do not even have the imagination to see how it can get better.
The more I listen the more tongue-tied I become.
Sweet
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/3/12 at 6:29am

One thing we all learn as we grow older is that be it next week , next month, or even next year it will be here in an instant. That is why it is so important to take the proper time to make things happen in order of priorities.
Rushing into anything to quick usually ends in regret and bitterness. I am glad to see you have an interest in the new CD. With time we will get to hear what you think. Since I purchased my T12's less than a year ago I can in noway justify the Noesis at this time. I like to live Vicarously thru Rob's audio experience and comments. You know "next best thing."
One more man who knows what he is talking about with these new speakers (if it happens) will just be icing on the cake to me.
What is a weapons platform? I was stationed at Ft Bragg NC from 1990-93 had to do the Desert storm/shield in a field artillery unit (m198 howitzer) so after that it takes a hell of alot to excite me but Anything involving weapons does the trick. That is my real passion/hobby but since we live in a world where guns offend I just keep it to myself. That is where JTR takes over. they reproduce all the gunfire and explosions exact. Next best thing to doing it myself.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/3/12 at 7:49am

Chris, with the utmost sincerity - Thank you for your service to our country !!!


I picked up a new LWRC R.E.P.R.....
It was a special run with a14.5" spiral barrel....
I'm sure you know how it goes with all the accessories how it adds up...

I'm planning a 20" upper for lobbing out past 1000 yards....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/LWRC/IMG_20121004_120057-1.jpg

Man Warp
That is SWEET !!!
Thats a hobby that has value++++.
For every single $$$$ I have lost in audio I have made 2x that back with trading weapons.
The only stickler is I have a Very hard time coming off my guns. I have had my WV concealed weapons permit since 1992( WV first class). But I Never carry a gun.
That picture has me grinning from ear to ear. I truly think I would explode or melt if I were to shoot that weapon while listening to those LMS's. Pure sensary overload
Throw in some strippers and that would be an adult males version of Disney World. I said hell yeah earlier but this time I mean it.
HELL YEAH !!!
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/3/12 at 9:33am

The listening demo for the Noesis speakers is starting in about a 1/2 hour. It looks like 4-7 are going to come over. I'll take some pictures.

Sounds like a great time. I'll bet you have the Noesis trimmed into your system perfect. A nice small group will give everyone there best chance at a proper audition.
Thanks in advance for the time and effort you must have had to put in to make this happen.
Thoughts and pictures will be greatly appreciated from us JTR fans. You are a valueable asset here on the AVS Forum.
These are exciting times
Chris

turn it up dd!

I'd love to hear those, dome. Can't wait to see the pictures. I just ordered a pair of slanted 8's for my front heights. So now my front sound stage consists of three t8-LP's and two slanted 8's. The subs have yet to be determined, but I'm leasing towards two CHT ss-18.1's because of their smaller size and price. This hobby sucks, I'm always trying to find ways to justify spending money! I can see myself saying "I don't need a couch, I can just get a couple of folding chairs and now I can afford to upgrade to the Noesis!".

I hear you on the folding chairs. I am going to buy my Slanted 8 surrounds first and it will be a month or two before I have the money saved up for actual theater seats.

Are you channeling Jeff? ...

As you know there is loud where the speakers are strained/overloaded with sound. That distortion is an unpleasant experience and why a lot of folks here say they don't care about reference level as it is just too loud. Yet, that is the level they often get at the movie theater and they don't complain about that...

These speakers are designed to play reference levels easily and when they are setup correctly and properly powered, they do not sound loud. It is an enveloping sound that matches the big picture many of us have and completes the Theater at Home experience. Some of us are fortunate enough to get that experience every time we fire up our systems.

Horses for courses.

If I get 3 attenuators for my 3 front triple 12s,I think it was stated that I use -10 db attenuators for best results,just install them & re-run audyssey & see what happens?Do I just plug the attenuators into my amps xlr inputs & plug the xlp cable into the other end? thanks ps I guess for 30.00 $ its worth a try!!