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Originally Posted by dholmes54 View Post

Ive read some of the Audyssey set-up & it took me a long time to like Audyssey but I finally got use to it, thanks again for your help. ps Ive been alone in this hobby of ht,no one in my area has ht I got to drive 200miles to see a good system, so i had to blind buy most of my gear,but I chose wisely when I got JTR spks.without hearing them!

I probably live within 20 miles of you. smile.gif
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I bet you live on Barren river in Barren co since you have a beautiful view of a lake!
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

is anyone going to post their thoughts of the gtg at desert domes place...?!?!?

I will take a shot at it. There were 3 of us that made it, myself and a friend, and nebrunner(I think).

The Noesis is a big heavy speaker. DD took a photo of us, maybe he can post it for some reference.

They sounded very good. We listened to a variety of music and a couple movie clips. I thought they sounded particularly good on the Nils Lufgren guitar track. Very loud and very clear. I think DD had them powered modestly for what they can handle so I can't imagine how loud they could be.

We also listened to DD's LS-6, and other than the low end, the Noesis sounded as good or better to me. But the Noesis are designed to roll off at 60hz, so that's just how they are built.

So overall thumbs up from this guy.
Edited by supergoon - 11/5/12 at 12:46pm
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Well, I just ordered my slanted 8's. Right before I ordered them, I was going over a ton of threads about subs trying to decide what to buy. I thought that I had decided to buy two CHT 18.1's, but i kept going back to the demo at JTR and how good the cap sounded. I decided to with the cap. Jeff was great to deal with, as always, and I can't wait to hear my new setup (3 T8-LP's, 2 slanted 8's and one cap).
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Well, I just ordered my slanted 8's. Right before I ordered them, I was going over a ton of threads about subs trying to decide what to buy. I thought that I had decided to buy two CHT 18.1's, but i kept going back to the demo at JTR and how good the cap sounded. I decided to with the cap. Jeff was great to deal with, as always, and I can't wait to hear my new setup (3 T8-LP's, 2 slanted 8's and one cap).

Well played sir ... wink.gif

You will not regret any of those decisions ... cool.gif
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Originally Posted by supergoon View Post

I will take a shot at it. There were 3 of us that made it, myself and a friend, and nebrunner(I think).
The Noesis is a big heavy speaker. DD took a photo of us, maybe he can post it for some reference.
They sounded very good. We listened to a variety of music and a couple movie clips. I thought they sounded particularly good on the Nils Lufgren guitar track. Very loud and very clear. I think DD had them powered modestly for what they can handle so I can't imagine how loud they could be.
We also listened to DD's LS-6, and other than the low end, they sounded as good or better to me. But the Noesis are designed to roll off at 60hz, so that's just how they are built.
So overall thumbs up from this guy.

Thanks for the comments ... cool.gif
I'm sure the LS-6 line source sound very good. As for the Noesis, they will go as loud as you want and well beyond what any normal person would ever need. And, they sound great at any volume.
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[SIZE]5[/SIZE]OMGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My speakers have finally shipped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was losing the plot waiting, especially after reading RMKs great feedback.

shipping was suppose to take 6 weeks, as i chose to bring them by sea (cost for shipping by air was rediculous -you could buy a Noesis for the price difference). Due to all the delays, Jeff sent by air to get them here sooner, particularly to avoid the christmas rush.

Here's the kicker - he absorbed the additional cost!

They'll now be here next week!!!!!!!!

To say that's great customer service is the biggest understatement of the decade.

Thank you Jeff!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

[SIZE]5[/SIZE]OMGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My speakers have finally shipped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was losing the plot waiting, especially after reading RMKs great feedback.
shipping was suppose to take 6 weeks, as i chose to bring them by sea (cost for shipping by air was rediculous -you could buy a Noesis for the price difference). Due to all the delays, Jeff sent by air to get them here sooner, particularly to avoid the christmas rush.
Here's the kicker - he absorbed the additional cost!
They'll now be here next week!!!!!!!!
To say that's great customer service is the biggest understatement of the decade.
Thank you Jeff!!!!!!!!!

Wow, that is a nice little Xmas present. I'm glad there will be another happy owner out there in the world. The other side of the world as it turns out ... biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Wow, that is a nice little Xmas present. I'm glad there will be another happy owner out there in the world. The other side of the world as it turns out ... biggrin.gif

I think this will cover Xmas and by bday tongue.gif

JTR and Seaton have a pretty strong following here in Australia.

With the strong Aussie dollar, their products are fantastic value for money when compared to the rip-off prices charged by retailers here.

Hell, even if the dollar was weak, they would still be good value.
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

I think this will cover Xmas and by bday tongue.gif
JTR and Seaton have a pretty strong following here in Australia.
With the strong Aussie dollar, their products are fantastic value for money when compared to the rip-off prices charged by retailers here.
Hell, even if the dollar was weak, they would still be good value.

Well if anyone is going to take advantage of our weak currency, I'm glad it's you blokes. smile.gif
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^ ^ ^

BIG Insult - blokes is England and Aussies are Diggers!
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

[SIZE]5[/SIZE]OMGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My speakers have finally shipped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was losing the plot waiting, especially after reading RMKs great feedback.
shipping was suppose to take 6 weeks, as i chose to bring them by sea (cost for shipping by air was rediculous -you could buy a Noesis for the price difference). Due to all the delays, Jeff sent by air to get them here sooner, particularly to avoid the christmas rush.
Here's the kicker - he absorbed the additional cost!
They'll now be here next week!!!!!!!!
To say that's great customer service is the biggest understatement of the decade.
Thank you Jeff!!!!!!!!![/quo



Man I am sure you are just Stoked !!!
Looks like Jeff is "Putting Coin in the Karma Purse." Now we will see how his Australia sales go.
It seems like a good time with the dollar worth so little. I am excited to hear your thoughts and of coarse
read your review.
Free air shipping that is Good Luck
Wow and Congrats
Chris
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

^ ^ ^
BIG Insult - blokes is England and Aussies are Diggers!

Really? you might want to check your sources on that one.

In any case, he's a good bloke who is about to get some of the best HT speakers ever made ... cool.gif
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I HAVE to hear these speakers. Word on the street is that Jeff might be sending the pair that Desert Dome has down here to Archaea - NICE. smile.gif
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I HAVE to hear these speakers. Word on the street is that Jeff might be sending the pair that Desert Dome has down here to Archaea - NICE. smile.gif

So if that occurs a speaker gathering at a local Park is in order ---- and being discussed by the KC crowd. Assuming the weather cooperates (we are in November currently!!! redface.gif) we are thinking of taking several pieces of equipment (my Caps, and a few other selections of local speakers owned by enthusiasts) out to a local shelter house (one isolated as much as possible of course) and spending an afternoon barbequing and listening to to a selection of speakers outside with good food, good drinks, and good company!
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I'm in for sure - but you are right about the weather. I know this weekend is supposed to be nice, but you probably won't have the speakers by then.
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I don't even know if Jeff's demo Neosis speakers are actually headed to KC. DD said it might be a possibility. Either way I'd love to meet in the park for this type of meet before the year is out!
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While I'm on the topic of speakers I have to hear... I found myself surfing for a pair of used LS-6's today. I don't want to tackle the job of assembling these, but from what I've heard from pretty much everyone that heard them they are unbelievable for music. A great sounding speaker that looks like that (love huge over the top looking speakers/subs) is something I must have... oh wait.. I wasn't going to spend any money on audio anytime soon.... redface.giffrown.gif Still, I can't help daydreaming about the Noesis for the front 3 for movies and a pair of LS-6's for music... and I haven't even heard either yet. I have a problem.
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Either way I'd love to meet in the park for this type of meet before the year is out!

Agreed.
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triple 8 with class d board tongue.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNxTeSPDLcE
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Originally Posted by dholmes54 View Post

I bet you live on Barren river in Barren co since you have a beautiful view of a lake!

Bingo. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Brady84 View Post

Side Question for RMK:
Did you get The Art of Flight yet? How was the opening Alaska chapter cranked on your system?

Finally got around to watching this Bluray.
Amazing doesn't begin to describe this film and the Noesis and Orbit Shifters are the perfect combo to make this film an unforgettable experience. If you have JTR's (or a select few other speakers) and haven't seen it ... do it.

Thanks for the tip on this one Brady, it is an absolute must see and a no-brainer buy. This should be Jeff's demo room demo for the Noesis cool.gif
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Really? you might want to check your sources on that one.
In any case, he's a good bloke who is about to get some of the best HT speakers ever made ... cool.gif

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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Man I am sure you are just Stoked !!!
Looks like Jeff is "Putting Coin in the Karma Purse." Now we will see how his Australia sales go.
It seems like a good time with the dollar worth so little. I am excited to hear your thoughts and of coarse
read your review.
Free air shipping that is Good Luck
Wow and Congrats
Chris

Thanks Chris.

Will def be posting up a review and plenty of photos.

Speakers should be arriving into the country next Tuesday, which means I should have some impressions up next weekend.

This weekend, I'll be rearranging my lounge room to fit these bad boys.
Edited by superaaaaa - 11/5/12 at 9:48pm
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I finally had my room set up to run Audyssey today. In my new space, even the T8's were pushing -12, the center channel hit it and the other 2 were -11.5 as was the S2 with the gain set to 0.

I turned down the gain on my amps and reran Audyssey. The T8's ended up around -8.

I realized a couple of days ago that part of the problem I was having getting the S2 to blend with the T8's was the fact that I was playing the music on all channel stereo and the SSP thought it still had 4 additional speakers playing when only the LCR were set up. Now that my SSP knows there are no surrounds and I have the levels properly set, I am in audio heaven. I can't wait to get the rest of the theater done so I can watch some movies.

I will have to put Art of Flight on my list as one of my early screenings.
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Jeff e-mailed the KC gang and the Des Moines gang last night, and verified the Neosis is coming both of our ways to demo for our respective groups.


Very cool!
Edited by Archaea - 11/6/12 at 4:51am
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I keep seeing or rather reading a Very common misconception toward T12's and JTR speakers in general. I completely understand speakers that excel in music generally are not the best choice for HT and vice-versa. people write stuff like 70% Movies + 30% Music.
I feel like my T12's do 100% Movies and Music Outstanding. They give up Nothing in music (Rock is all I listen to).
Every morning I watch a concert DVD which is both. One year later and I am still getting chills and some of the music I play over and over just becuase it sounds so Damn Good.
So what am I missing? This is the question I have to ask everytime someone brings up JTR speakers and music. It leaves me Flabbergasted (finally got a chance to use that word.)
Can any current JTR speaker owners help me out with an answer? It is confusing to me. I do not understand this seperation. I have been chalking it up as peolple do not know what they are talking about but mabey Its me (that is my usual answer). Am I just easily impressed? My T12's evoke such emotion when I listen. Guns & Roses (AFD) brings back vivid memories of high school while Slayer brings out my destructive side. When I listened on my Mythos ST's it made me want to destroy the speakers but thats not what I am referreing to. T12's crossed over at 80hz to a pair of SubM HP's like N8Dogg said " I do not listen to music without subs" !!!
What do you other JTR owners think about one vs the other vs both?
Please set me straight
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/7/12 at 1:24pm
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RMK,

Are the Noesis LP 12.5" wide x 13.5" long, or 13.5" wide x 12.5" long?
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I keep seeing or rather reading a Very commomn misconception toward T12's and JTR speakers in general. I completely understand speakers that excel in music generally are not the best choice for HT and vice-versa. people write stuff like 70% Movies + 30% Music.
I feel like my T12's do 100% Movies and Music Outstanding. They give up Nothing in music(Rock is all I listen to).
Every morning I watch a concert DVD which is both. One year later and I am still getting chills and some of the music I play over and over just becuase it sounds so Damn Good.
So what am I missing? This is the question I have to ask everytime someone brings up JTR speakers and music. It leaves me Flabbergasted (finally got a chance to use that word.)
Can any current JTR speaker owners help me out with an answer? It is confusing to me. I do not understand this seperation. I have been chalking it up as peolple do not know what they are talking about but mabey Its me (that is my usual answer). My T12's evoke such emotion when I listen. Guns & Roses (AFD) brings back vivid memories of high school while Slayer brings out my destructive side.
What do you other JTR owners think about one vs the other vs both?
Please set me straight
Chris

I think that there are a couple of factors that set JTR's apart making them excel at reproducing both music and movie soundtracks.

First, traditional music speakers are thought to be very detailed, but are usually low sensitivity, require more power and when they are turned up you have to deal with compression distortion or both.

Traditional HT speakers can play loud without distortion, but lack the refinement to reproduce the musical details to the same level as the traditional musical speaker.

JTR's have no trouble reproducing the musical details and because of their sensitivity, and power handling can reproduce movie soundtracks without distortion or compression.

Second, because we are putting speakers in our homes that are designed to fill gymnasiums or concert halls with clean sound, both our speakers and our amps are cruising along, never needing to work anywhere near their capacity. This of course provides distortion free sound at any volume that you would care to listen to them.

I would argue that both the traditional music speaker and the traditional HT speaker, do not even do their dedicated function well, because the compromises that are made to achieve either detail without SPL or SPL without detail. Real music reproduction requires dynamics without distortion and movie sound, includes both detailed music and dialog.

Excellent speakers like JTR's will shine for both music and HT. Traditional purpose built speakers are just not very good speakers in general.

It is my guess that Jeff has built something unique, professional level speakers with extremely refined sound. There are a few other manufactures out there that have achieved similar results, but you would be hard pressed to find them anywhere near this price range.
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I keep seeing or rather reading a Very commomn misconception toward T12's and JTR speakers in general. I completely understand speakers that excel in music generally are not the best choice for HT and vice-versa. people write stuff like 70% Movies + 30% Music.
I feel like my T12's do 100% Movies and Music Outstanding. They give up Nothing in music(Rock is all I listen to).
Every morning I watch a concert DVD which is both. One year later and I am still getting chills and some of the music I play over and over just becuase it sounds so Damn Good.
So what am I missing? This is the question I have to ask everytime someone brings up JTR speakers and music. It leaves me Flabbergasted (finally got a chance to use that word.)
Can any current JTR speaker owners help me out with an answer? It is confusing to me. I do not understand this seperation. I have been chalking it up as peolple do not know what they are talking about but mabey Its me (that is my usual answer) Am I just easily impressed? My T12's evoke such emotion when I listen. Guns & Roses (AFD) brings back vivid memories of high school while Slayer brings out my destructive side. When I listened on my Mythos ST's it made me want to destroy the speakers but thats not what I am referreing to. T12's crossed over at 80hz to a pair of SubM HP's like N8Dogg said " I do not listen to music without subs" !!!
What do you other JTR owners think about one vs the other vs both?
Please set me straight
Chris

Nice! Slayer! I just listened to part of Reign in Blood last night. Lombardo's drums sound amazing with the Submersives.

I think maybe it's just the fact that as good as these kinds of speakers are (like my eD cinema 12's) for music, they are even better for movies. I do agree that they are awesome for music too though, I prefer the triple 8's, my eD cinema 12's, and the SHO 10's to my old pair of Magnepans for music and that's saying something.

That said, I'm sure there are speakers out there that are a LITTLE better for music. From most accounts the LS-6 speakers seem to be an example of that.
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I am new to the forum, but I do read quite a bit of the conversation here - so allow me to chime in. I love to watch videos of music live shows. I also love to watch movies with great sound scores as well as ones with action, which made me buy JTRs recently for my basement room(17x30x9 with one side open to other spaces).

3 days ago I received 3 quintuples LCR and a cap S2 for a 5.1 set up in my basement. The set up is still undergoing fine-tuning. I am using a parasound A51 with an integra DHC80.3 preamp and two Martin Logan vignettes for the rear speakers. Here are some initial thoughts:

The soundstage is the biggest gain over my other set up which is in the family room (ML electrostats plus Epic dual 15" sub). I am still evaluating the precision and refinement of the highs, the timbre, the tones etc, so no comments on that yet. But the lows is phenomenal with the cap S2 in the mix. I must say that the low notes did not seem as tight as I expected, but as I said, there's lots more set up steps to do before I conclude on that. I have no doubt that a dual 18" sealed sub like the cap S2 would really be better than the best out there for reproduction of the lows with accuracy.

The dynamics on the movies is very impressive with the JTRs setup. Some scenes from The Book of Eli that I watched last night were really scary, as the sudden impact of gunshots really hit me in the chest. Lots more left to tweak before I provide a final run down. But overall I feel these speakers are really amazing for HT (and possibly for music as well, still evaluating).

Jeff brought the speakers himself (to Chicago where I live) - he is a real sweet guy with a great attitude.

More later....

Barlowe
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