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post #5311 of 18691
Carp
"The Big 4 Sophia Bulgaria"
Slayer on Blu-ray I never thought I would see the day.
Chris
post #5312 of 18691
JediRun
That is a good breakdown and explaination. I need to look at
Jtr Speakers more as a modern day "Hybrid".
Best of both worlds.
Chris

Barlowe
Great system.
I use music to trim in, make adjustments, and set levels on my system. Once I have it the way I want
it for music I do not have to change anything (except I raise the suwoofer level) for movies.
Modern day movies have alot of musical content.
Edited by countryWV - 11/6/12 at 7:47am
post #5313 of 18691
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

RMK,
Are the Noesis LP 12.5" wide x 13.5" long, or 13.5" wide x 12.5" long?

The sealed Noesis are 13.5" wide and 12.5" deep.
post #5314 of 18691
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

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Originally Posted by Brady84 View Post

Side Question for RMK:
Did you get The Art of Flight yet? How was the opening Alaska chapter cranked on your system?

Finally got around to watching this Bluray.
Amazing doesn't begin to describe this film and the Noesis and Orbit Shifters are the perfect combo to make this film an unforgettable experience. If you have JTR's (or a select few other speakers) and haven't seen it ... do it.

Thanks for the tip on this one Brady, it is an absolute must see and a no-brainer buy. This should be Jeff's demo room demo for the Noesis cool.gif

Watching this flick again as I speak. I would kill to hear it on a system as capable as yours. Hopefully soon ill have one of my own
post #5315 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Barlowe View Post

I am new to the forum, but I do read quite a bit of the conversation here - so allow me to chime in. I love to watch videos of music live shows. I also love to watch movies with great sound scores as well as ones with action, which made me buy JTRs recently for my basement room(17x30x9 with one side open to other spaces).
3 days ago I received 3 quintuples LCR and a cap S2 for a 5.1 set up in my basement. The set up is still undergoing fine-tuning. I am using a parasound A51 with an integra DHC80.3 preamp and two Martin Logan vignettes for the rear speakers. Here are some initial thoughts:
The soundstage is the biggest gain over my other set up which is in the family room (ML electrostats plus Epic dual 15" sub). I am still evaluating the precision and refinement of the highs, the timbre, the tones etc, so no comments on that yet. But the lows is phenomenal with the cap S2 in the mix. I must say that the low notes did not seem as tight as I expected, but as I said, there's lots more set up steps to do before I conclude on that. I have no doubt that a dual 18" sealed sub like the cap S2 would really be better than the best out there for reproduction of the lows with accuracy.
The dynamics on the movies is very impressive with the JTRs setup. Some scenes from The Book of Eli that I watched last night were really scary, as the sudden impact of gunshots really hit me in the chest. Lots more left to tweak before I provide a final run down. But overall I feel these speakers are really amazing for HT (and possibly for music as well, still evaluating).
Jeff brought the speakers himself (to Chicago where I live) - he is a real sweet guy with a great attitude.
More later....
Barlowe

Good that you are taking your time and playing with the setup. Going from electrostats to the JTR's is quite a jump. As you noted, the dynamics are the first thing to jump out at you and that never stops. Watching the Art of Flight last night I was once again struck (and awed eek.gif) by the power of the dynamic swings. Enjoy your tweaking and think about attenuation of the LCR's if that A51 doesn't have gain settings (I don't believe it does).

When you run Audyssey the difference in the gain settings for the ML's will be large. If you are doing primarily movies and multi-channel music I think you will want to change out the surrounds at some point. Looking forward to your comments.


BTW, I'm interested in why you chose the Quintuples for LCR's?
Edited by RMK! - 11/6/12 at 7:58am
post #5316 of 18691
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

While I'm on the topic of speakers I have to hear... I found myself surfing for a pair of used LS-6's today. I don't want to tackle the job of assembling these, but from what I've heard from pretty much everyone that heard them they are unbelievable for music. A great sounding speaker that looks like that (love huge over the top looking speakers/subs) is something I must have... oh wait.. I wasn't going to spend any money on audio anytime soon.... redface.giffrown.gif Still, I can't help daydreaming about the Noesis for the front 3 for movies and a pair of LS-6's for music... and I haven't even heard either yet. I have a problem.

I am currently running the LS-6 after removal of the T12 front stage setup. The LS-6's are incredible for music, and they are so beautiful to look at biggrin.gif I found a local deal on them (what luck!) and just decided I had to jump on them. I am a huge sucker for new "style" speakers and I had never owned a pair of line-sources so I jumped on the opportunity. I can't say that I am sad with my decision, at all, for which I will explain further in response to WV Chris's post below. I will say however that I have not watched a single movie yet, because I have been loving the music too much. The dynamics match well to the T12's and the benefit of the line-source type setup makes the soundstage wide and yields half the drop-off in dB's as you increase in distance from the speaker. The benefit here is at 3m, where you would normally be down 6dB's, you will only be down 3. This yields a great result for my three tier seating arrangement. The more direct sound of the neosis should also yield better results for me than the standard coax, but alas, that is a ways down the road, if at all. More on all of this below.

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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Finally got around to watching this Bluray.
Amazing doesn't begin to describe this film and the Noesis and Orbit Shifters are the perfect combo to make this film an unforgettable experience. If you have JTR's (or a select few other speakers) and haven't seen it ... do it.
Thanks for the tip on this one Brady, it is an absolute must see and a no-brainer buy. This should be Jeff's demo room demo for the Noesis cool.gif

Can't agree with you more. that opening track by Deadmau5 is one of my reference tracks for demoing speakers, it will make lower performer SCREAM in agony if you crank it, very easy to hear compression on that track. My first run of that movie was with my old pair of f-20's and the JTR's and it was truly the first time that I had to get up and yell I was so happy with my system.

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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I keep seeing or rather reading a Very common misconception toward T12's and JTR speakers in general. I completely understand speakers that excel in music generally are not the best choice for HT and vice-versa. people write stuff like 70% Movies + 30% Music.
I feel like my T12's do 100% Movies and Music Outstanding. They give up Nothing in music(Rock is all I listen to).
Every morning I watch a concert DVD which is both. One year later and I am still getting chills and some of the music I play over and over just becuase it sounds so Damn Good.
So what am I missing? This is the question I have to ask everytime someone brings up JTR speakers and music. It leaves me Flabbergasted (finally got a chance to use that word.)
Can any current JTR speaker owners help me out with an answer? It is confusing to me. I do not understand this seperation. I have been chalking it up as peolple do not know what they are talking about but mabey Its me (that is my usual answer) Am I just easily impressed? My T12's evoke such emotion when I listen. Guns & Roses (AFD) brings back vivid memories of high school while Slayer brings out my destructive side. When I listened on my Mythos ST's it made me want to destroy the speakers but thats not what I am referreing to. T12's crossed over at 80hz to a pair of SubM HP's like N8Dogg said " I do not listen to music without subs" !!!
What do you other JTR owners think about one vs the other vs both?
Please set me straight
Chris

I will give you one quick pointer as I have a good amount of music concert BD's, and listen to a LOT more music than I do movies, just in stereo mode. At least in my experience, and the reason why I think the LS-6 takes the cake on music listening is they don't need a sub. They play flat, (not inflated spec numbers but LEGIT measured response) to 20hz, and absolutely can CRANK as well. Even though they are slightly lesser in the sensitivity dept, their design allows as I stated above for their levels to carry better than other designs, so you dont lose as much volume the further you travel from them. What I have experienced thus far is the T12's had an exorbitant amount of output, and they still never broke a sweat in my HT room, but they HAD to be crossed to a sub. Once that happened they sound just as good as the LS-6 if not better in some parts, but it once again takes a capable and well-blended sub system to make it all be seamless. I have that, so it was not a big deal, but I digress. The key thing that I appreciate the most with the LS-6 is they can go it on their own, no need for subs, and when listening to music, they just shine on their own, and can go as hard as I want them to ( I cant manage to go much further than -5 without being uncomfortable for music).

Another point is the soundstage on the Line-source model seems so broad, and deep, it is PERFECT for music. With movies, I prefer a point-source, more locate-able sound. That is why I am constructing new theater LCR's for movie watching which will be higher sensitivity horns. So carp, I am kinda going for your dream setup. LS-6 for music, and 3 seos12/ae td12x setup for movies... Shouldn't be a bad system assuming I can find room to fit all of that...
post #5317 of 18691
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Carp
"The Big 4 Sophia Bulgaria"
Slayer on Blu-ray I never thought I would see the day.
Chris

Ha, I know what you mean. Yep, I've got that and the sound quality is great.
post #5318 of 18691
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

The sealed Noesis are 13.5" wide and 12.5" deep.

Thanks mate
post #5319 of 18691
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

Thanks mate
No worries ... smile.gif
post #5320 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Jeff e-mailed the KC gang and the Des Moines gang last night, and verified the Neosis is coming both of our ways to demo for our respective groups.
Very cool!

That is very cool. The Noesis road show continues. cool.gif
post #5321 of 18691
KC and DesMoines
Sure sounds like a worthwhile time. Make sure someone brings a BadAss amp
to squeeze out every bit of performance possible.
Good Luck
Chris

West Virginia is a beautiful state but Today I wish I lived in Colorado !!!
post #5322 of 18691
Colorado is a great state if you have glaucoma or have other medicianal needs..right up there with the Netherlands :-)
post #5323 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Colorado is a great state if you have glaucoma or have other medicianal needs..right up there with the Netherlands :-)
Colorado Conceded recreational and deemed it necessary for any proper "Critical Listening Session"
Washington State agreed .
Chris

"The Rocky Mountain Way Is Better than the way we Had"
Joe Walsh
Edited by countryWV - 11/7/12 at 7:07am
post #5324 of 18691
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Good that you are taking your time and playing with the setup. Going from electrostats to the JTR's is quite a jump. As you noted, the dynamics are the first thing to jump out at you and that never stops. Watching the Art of Flight last night I was once again struck (and awed eek.gif) by the power of the dynamic swings. Enjoy your tweaking and think about attenuation of the LCR's if that A51 doesn't have gain settings (I don't believe it does).
When you run Audyssey the difference in the gain settings for the ML's will be large. If you are doing primarily movies and multi-channel music I think you will want to change out the surrounds at some point. Looking forward to your comments.
BTW, I'm interested in why you chose the Quintuples for LCR's?

You are correct RMK - the ML Vignettes are just barely keeping up as the rear duty with the gain from the A51. I will need to expand to a 7.1 set up anyway. When I do that I may get 4 low profile JTRs as rear and side surrounds.

The choice for quintuples became one of aesthetic necessity as the room was set up like a living room already with a built-in entertainment center, into which I was squeezing in the speakers with the right dimensions. If not I would have gone with 3 T12's. Luckily the cherry finish of the Q5's matches the finish of the entertainment unit, so the WAF angle is covered. And the setup looks rather pleasing to the eye, the symmetry and all. This is my first experience with the Halo A51 - what a powerful and excellent amp (400W X 5)! No humming sound, no fatigue, no awkawardness - just a great amp.

I will post some pix later on, when I provide additional listening impressions as well over the next weekend.

Barlowe
post #5325 of 18691
JTR Speakers Inc is turning 6 years old. I'm looking forward to many more years building speakers and being involved in the industry I love. I'm planning on having some kind of celebration party within the month or so.
post #5326 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

JTR Speakers Inc is turning 6 years old. I'm looking forward to many more years building speakers and being involved in the industry I love. I'm planning on having some kind of celebration party within the month or so.

Congrats dude!!! They say 5 years is over the hump for any small business! I say you definitely have pushed through the hump without looking back! Keep up the great work Jeff!!!
post #5327 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

JTR Speakers Inc is turning 6 years old. I'm looking forward to many more years building speakers and being involved in the industry I love. I'm planning on having some kind of celebration party within the month or so.

Congrats!
post #5328 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

JTR Speakers Inc is turning 6 years old. I'm looking forward to many more years building speakers and being involved in the industry I love. I'm planning on having some kind of celebration party within the month or so.

Congratulations! It is good to see companies like your's that put out quality products at excellent prices succeed.
post #5329 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

JTR Speakers Inc is turning 6 years old. I'm looking forward to many more years building speakers and being involved in the industry I love. I'm planning on having some kind of celebration party within the month or so.
Congratulations on 6 years. If it wasn't for you and your products I would not have anything close to the system I have now.
Thank you for making some of the best speakers and subwoofers that this industry has to offer while still keeping it affordable
for a Redneck like myself.
The next 6 years should be even Sweeter !!!!
Chris
post #5330 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

JTR Speakers Inc is turning 6 years old. I'm looking forward to many more years building speakers and being involved in the industry I love. I'm planning on having some kind of celebration party within the month or so.

Congrats Jeff! Your at the top of the game with the products your producing. Can't wait to be a future owner of some of your speakers/subs one day. Keep up the great work
post #5331 of 18691
Congrats to JTR's 6th birthday! biggrin.gif

I have one question though. How do JTR speakers pair with Sunfire amplifiers such as the TGA-7401? How are Sunfire amplifiers in general? I keep hearing a buzz regarding how Sunfire amplifiers do not live up to their rated specs, is this true? Any comments/opinions/info will be appreciated.
post #5332 of 18691
When is the Des Moines Demo? Where?
post #5333 of 18691
Congrats Jeff! The 4 S8 speaker along with the OS LF is definitely the gem of my HT system. I am expecting to switch my LCR to T8 soon, but with all the different options I had now, a lot of HW to do!!
post #5334 of 18691
Congrats, Jeff, on the well deserved success.
post #5335 of 18691
Well, I'd say from how busy Jeff always seems to be, he'll be designing and building for many years to come! Congrats on the 6 years cool.gif
post #5336 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Barlowe View Post

You are correct RMK - the ML Vignettes are just barely keeping up as the rear duty with the gain from the A51. I will need to expand to a 7.1 set up anyway. When I do that I may get 4 low profile JTRs as rear and side surrounds.
The choice for quintuples became one of aesthetic necessity as the room was set up like a living room already with a built-in entertainment center, into which I was squeezing in the speakers with the right dimensions. If not I would have gone with 3 T12's. Luckily the cherry finish of the Q5's matches the finish of the entertainment unit, so the WAF angle is covered. And the setup looks rather pleasing to the eye, the symmetry and all. This is my first experience with the Halo A51 - what a powerful and excellent amp (400W X 5)! No humming sound, no fatigue, no awkawardness - just a great amp.
I will post some pix later on, when I provide additional listening impressions as well over the next weekend.
Barlowe

Sounds good and glad you don't need attenuation on the amp. Looking forward to pictures and your impressions of the Q's.smile.gif
post #5337 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

I'm planning on having some kind of celebration party within the month or so.

Will there be "adult beverages" involved? If so, count me in! biggrin.gif
post #5338 of 18691
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Will there be "adult beverages" involved? If so, count me in! biggrin.gif

Yes, I would very much like to join in on this!

-RMB
post #5339 of 18691
Don't have the NOESIS yet, but mention of ART of FLIGHT got me needing to check it out again...

My system was not sounding right after I did a firmware update on my 80.3 and re-ran the full audyssey XT32....

The Opening scene is OMFG over the top....

I almost forgot how good my system sounds, super dynamic and still amazingly loud.... Makes me think how much better it could be with the NOESIS in the mix...


Congrats Jeff on the Anniversary.... I'll certainly be attending..
post #5340 of 18691
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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

JTR Speakers Inc is turning 6 years old. I'm looking forward to many more years building speakers and being involved in the industry I love. I'm planning on having some kind of celebration party within the month or so.

Count me in Jeff and congratulations on 6yrs of JTR, we all hope it keeps growing!
Edited by lbrown105 - 11/7/12 at 7:26pm
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