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Originally Posted by Jeff Permanian View Post

JTR Speakers Inc is turning 6 years old. I'm looking forward to many more years building speakers and being involved in the industry I love. I'm planning on having some kind of celebration party within the month or so.

Congrats! Nice to hear!

-Sean
post #5342 of 18480
Here's crossing our fingers for good weather to have a park g2g in KC to demo the Neosis.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1438080/kansas-city-speaker-g2g-and-barbecue-in-the-park-november-2012/0_20


If the weather looks foul - we'll figure something else out.
post #5343 of 18480
If you want to impress your friends with JTR spks play Quantum of Solace the opening car chase scene!!!
post #5344 of 18480
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Originally Posted by dholmes54 View Post

If you want to impress your friends with JTR spks play Quantum of Solace the opening car chase scene!!!

Just watched this again the other night, its great!

If you haven't yet check out the Foot chase in the construction yard on Casino Royale.
That is one fine action scene and the audio is amazing.

-RMB
post #5345 of 18480
Desertdome just dropped off the pair of Noesis speakers. I think he was scared of liking them so much he'd have to sell me his LS-6 pair and buy them.

I'm going to set them up today and play Art of Flight and Avengers and see what I think. Might try to A/B with my CHT SHO-10s for fun.
post #5346 of 18480
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Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

Desertdome just dropped off the pair of Noesis speakers. I think he was scared of liking them so much he'd have to sell me his LS-6 pair and buy them.

I'm going to set them up today and play Art of Flight and Avengers and see what I think. Might try to A/B with my CHT SHO-10s for fun.

SWEEEEEEET....... Should be quite the upgrade coming from the SHO-10's
post #5347 of 18480
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Originally Posted by Kain View Post

I have one question though. How do JTR speakers pair with Sunfire amplifiers such as the TGA-7401? How are Sunfire amplifiers in general? I keep hearing a buzz regarding how Sunfire amplifiers do not live up to their rated specs, is this true? Any comments/opinions/info will be appreciated.

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post #5348 of 18480
I just watched both of them the other day,the foot chase was great! Watched them to get ready for Skyfall.
post #5349 of 18480
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Originally Posted by Kain View Post

Congrats to JTR's 6th birthday! biggrin.gif
I have one question though. How do JTR speakers pair with Sunfire amplifiers such as the TGA-7401? How are Sunfire amplifiers in general? I keep hearing a buzz regarding how Sunfire amplifiers do not live up to their rated specs, is this true? Any comments/opinions/info will be appreciated.

I have had several Sunfire amps including the TGA7400 that I used with my JTR T12's and 8's. I liked the Sunfire amps a lot as they always ran cool, had plenty of power and were dead silent. I had concerns about Sunfires longevity a couple of years ago and so I sold the TGA 7400 and purchased a Wyred 4 Sound amp. Honestly, I noticed little if any difference between the two amps but then, I'm pretty firmly ensconsed in the "an amp is an amp" camp wink.gif.

So, to sum it up I'd say that the TGA is a bit over priced at MSLP but other than that it's very nice amp.
post #5350 of 18480
I had a great time Saturday hosting the Noesis demo and have enjoyed listening to them the past 5 days. I removed the LS-6's from the living room and setup the Noesis speakers on some chairs with them toed in a little. I use a Bosch measurement laser to try to get them identically placed to within 1/8" of each other. The front of the speakers was 36" from the sidewalls and 30" from the rear walls.

Here is the playlist for the demo:

Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture (88kHz 24bit from HDTracks)
Pomp & Pipes - The Vikings (44Hz, 16bit from HDTracks)
Black Light Syndrome - Duende (CD)
Eagles - Hotel California (XRCD)
Pete Belasco - Deeper (CD)
Elton John - Madman Across the Water (96kHz 24 bit from HDTRacks)
Master of Chinese Percussion - Poem of Chinese Drum (K2 HD mastered CD)
Cassandra Wilson - Strange Fruit (CD)
Nils Lofgren - Keith Don't Go (CD)
Chris Botti in Boston - Shape of my Heart with Sting and Josh Groban (Blu-ray)
Michael Jackson's This is It - The Way You Make Me Feel (Blu-ray)
Fellowship of the Ring - Cave Troll Scene (Blu-ray)
Flight of the Phoenix - Crash (Blu-ray)
The Incredible Hulk - Cop Car Scene (Blu-ray)
War of the Worlds - Pods Emerge (Blu-ray)

Last night I listened to the entire Rachmaninoff Symphonic Dances album (96kHz 24bit from HDTracks). I've also listened to some sections of Open Range, used them for college and NFL football, watched Charlotte's Web with them, and listened to too many other songs to list.

My LS-6 (line source) speakers are flat down to 20 Hz in my room. The Noesis speakers rolloff on the bottom at around 60 Hz so I used them with an 80Hz crossover and my infinite baffle subs system handled the bass. Th LS-6 speakers start rolling off at the high end at around 12,000 Hz while the Noesis speakers are completely flat to 20,000. The last two octaves of the Noesis are actually slightly louder than the other octaves. This gives them a tiny little bit of a brightness in my room, but will help greatly in a room with a lot of acoustical treatments and AT screen that tend to lower those octaves.

I was surprised at how clear the Noesis speakers sound compared to the LS-6. I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but when switching speakers it is immediately noticeable to me. I'm not sure if it is because of their higher efficiency (101 db vs 91 db/1 watt) or the horn or what. However, as soon as music or movies start the speakers just seem so transparent. It could just be a difference in horn vs ribbons. The Noesis speakers are also a little more dynamic than the LS-6's. When the volume on the quiet portions is similar to the LS-6's, when there are loud passages or effects, the Noesis seem to go louder. In other words, there are higher dynamic peaks.

The soundstage is better with the LS-6's, but that could be because I've spent more time setting them up. Instead of a diffuse, yet wide soundstage I've heard with other speakers, the LS-6's have a detailed and wide soundstage. At first, I wasn't able to get a very wide soundstage with the Noesis. I played around with placement and ended up using less toe-in and the speakers a little closer to each other. It still isn't the same presentation as the LS-6's, but most that use the Noesis speakers will be using them for movies and also have a center speaker.

Both speakers are incredible for movies with an advantage probably going to the Noesis speakers if you want maximum impact, volume, dynamics. However, the LS-6's are no slouch. I played them at the Tour with a 40 Hz crossover to my infinite baffle system and they did everything they needed to do. We reached peaks of 127 dB with Flight of the Phoenix without any distortion at all.

Here are some thoughts on the Noesis Speakers:

They sound great at all volumes. I've had other speakers that don't sound good until about 80 dB and then can't handle anything above 90 dB. These have tremendous clarity and detail at any volume level. Symphonic Dances has some extremely quiet passages and some very loud passages. With a silent room, you can hear all the instruments in the quiet passages and they maintain their clarity.

They are extremely dynamic. The gunshots in Open Range are the most real I've ever heard. The speakers provide instant SPL levels that seem much higher on dynamic peaks than other speakers.

They are easy to listen to. I didn't get any fatigue or irritation from listening to them for hours at a time and at loud volume levels.

The midbass is tremendous. Songs like Duende or Poem of Chinese Drum really show off the ability of the dual 12" drivers in each speaker. Duende has some great bass guitar played by Tony Levin. John Janowitz of Acoustic Elegance recommended this song several years ago. I bought the CD and really like the song (and others). The Poem of Chinese Drum was included on a Burmester demo disc, but I bought the entire Master of Chinese Percussion CD. The drums hits are extremely fast and dynamic. There is incredible power in them that requires lots of displacement to render properly. The Noesis speakers easily showed off the speed and power present in the song. My only complaint on the album is that there is some background hiss that is probably more noticeable with these high sensitivity speakers.

You can hear all the nuances of voices. I picked my demo songs based partly on the variations in voices. From the Eagles to Cassandra Wilson, everyone sounds so, so good. With the clarity you can hear more of the breaths and mouthing nuances that make everything so realistic.

The Noesis speakers are probably one of the most neutral sounding speaker I've listening to. They offer incredible output from 60 Hz up to 20kHz with an almost flat frequency response. I like them better than the CHT SHO-10's, ED Cinema 12's, and JTR Triple 8's that I've heard. The Noesis is a "no regrets" type of speaker that will be exceptional at most things and excel at just about everything.




Edited by desertdome - 11/8/12 at 10:42am
post #5351 of 18480
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Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

Desertdome just dropped off the pair of Noesis speakers. I think he was scared of liking them so much he'd have to sell me his LS-6 pair and buy them.
I'm going to set them up today and play Art of Flight and Avengers and see what I think. Might try to A/B with my CHT SHO-10s for fun.

I hope you enjoy your time with them. I'm looking forward to your impressions.
post #5352 of 18480
Thanks for the straight forward review. It was well written and easy to understand.
Chris
post #5353 of 18480
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Originally Posted by desertdome View Post

The Noesis speakers are probably one of the most neutral sounding speaker I've listening to. They offer incredible output from 60 Hz up to 20kHz with an almost flat frequency response. I like them better than the CHT SHO-10's, ED Cinema 12's, and JTR Triple 8's that I've heard. The Noesis is a "no regrets" type of speaker that will be exceptional at most things and excel at just about everything.

Excellent write-up. Jeff brought a pair of the Noesis to the PA GTG a few weeks back, so I had chance to hear them myself. They were connected to the upstairs system which was used primarily for 2 channel material. For a while there was a blu-ray of a Jeff Beck concert playing, so I sat and watched a few songs. I was fortunate to hear them before somebody gave Jeff the remote, at which point he immediately tried to replicate the volume of a Ted Nugent concert... eek.giftongue.gif

At first glance the industrial appearance leads one to assume they're going to sound ragged like PA speakers, but I was pleasantly surprised to find the opposite. They can easily get as loud as PA speakers -- so if that's your game the Noesis will happily comply -- but like desertdome mentioned, they are amazingly crisp and detailed. I'm captivated (no pun intended) by guitar wizards, and Jeff Beck is certainly among the best. His finger-plucking style makes for a unique sound, not something easily replicated by conventional speakers. With the Noesis you could close your eyes and almost instantly be transported to the club where Beck was playing. It sounded that close to a live performance.

Most of the Beck songs I sat and watched were basic blues, with few musicians on stage at any one time, so I wasn't really able to judge the dynamics too well with this particular material (certainly not like the orchestral arrangements desertdome used). What I did hear though was produced effortless -- regardless of volume -- all while retaining a noteworthy level of clarity. I'm definitely glad I had the opportunity to hear them.
post #5354 of 18480
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I have had several Sunfire amps including the TGA7400 that I used with my JTR T12's and 8's. I liked the Sunfire amps a lot as they always ran cool, had plenty of power and were dead silent. I had concerns about Sunfires longevity a couple of years ago and so I sold the TGA 7400 and purchased a Wyred 4 Sound amp. Honestly, I noticed little if any difference between the two amps but then, I'm pretty firmly ensconsed in the "an amp is an amp" camp wink.gif.
So, to sum it up I'd say that the TGA is a bit over priced at MSLP but other than that it's very nice amp.

Thanks! I live in Dubai and have a local Sunfire dealer from whom I can purchase the TGA-7401. If I were to order the 5x500W Wyred 4 Sound amplifier, it would be about the same as the TGA-7401 local buy price wise (I would be paying $275 for shipping). Would you say it will be a safer buy for me to just get the TGA-7401 as I can get it locally? Any warranty work on the Wyred 4 Sound will probably require hefty shipping costs.
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Originally Posted by desertdome View Post

I had a great time Saturday hosting the Noesis demo and have enjoyed listening to them the past 5 days. I removed the LS-6's from the living room and setup the Noesis speakers on some chairs with them toed in a little. I use a Bosch measurement laser to try to get them identically placed to within 1/8" of each other. The front of the speakers was 36" from the sidewalls and 30" from the rear walls.
Here is the playlist for the demo:
Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture (88kHz 24bit from HDTracks)
Pomp & Pipes - The Vikings (44Hz, 16bit from HDTracks)
Black Light Syndrome - Duende (CD)
Eagles - Hotel California (XRCD)
Pete Belasco - Deeper (CD)
Elton John - Madman Across the Water (96kHz 24 bit from HDTRacks)
Master of Chinese Percussion - Poem of Chinese Drum (K2 HD mastered CD)
Cassandra Wilson - Strange Fruit (CD)
Nils Lofgren - Keith Don't Go (CD)
Chris Botti in Boston - Shape of my Heart with Sting and Josh Groban (Blu-ray)
Michael Jackson's This is It - The Way You Make Me Feel (Blu-ray)
Fellowship of the Ring - Cave Troll Scene (Blu-ray)
Flight of the Phoenix - Crash (Blu-ray)
The Incredible Hulk - Cop Car Scene (Blu-ray)
War of the Worlds - Pods Emerge (Blu-ray)
Last night I listened to the entire Rachmaninoff Symphonic Dances album (96kHz 24bit from HDTracks). I've also listened to some sections of Open Range, used them for college and NFL football, watched Charlotte's Web with them, and listened to too many other songs to list.
My LS-6 (line source) speakers are flat down to 20 Hz in my room. The Noesis speakers rolloff on the bottom at around 60 Hz so I used them with an 80Hz crossover and my infinite baffle subs system handled the bass. Th LS-6 speakers start rolling off at the high end at around 12,000 Hz while the Noesis speakers are completely flat to 20,000. The last two octaves of the Noesis are actually slightly louder than the other octaves. This gives them a tiny little bit of a brightness in my room, but will help greatly in a room with a lot of acoustical treatments and AT screen that tend to lower those octaves.
I was surprised at how clear the Noesis speakers sound compared to the LS-6. I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but when switching speakers it is immediately noticeable to me. I'm not sure if it is because of their higher efficiency (101 db vs 91 db/1 watt) or the horn or what. However, as soon as music or movies start the speakers just seem so transparent. It could just be a difference in horn vs ribbons. The Noesis speakers are also a little more dynamic than the LS-6's. When the volume on the quiet portions is similar to the LS-6's, when there are loud passages or effects, the Noesis seem to go louder. In other words, there are higher dynamic peaks.
The soundstage is better with the LS-6's, but that could be because I've spent more time setting them up. Instead of a diffuse, yet wide soundstage I've heard with other speakers, the LS-6's have a detailed and wide soundstage. At first, I wasn't able to get a very wide soundstage with the Noesis. I played around with placement and ended up using less toe-in and the speakers a little closer to each other. It still isn't the same presentation as the LS-6's, but most that use the Noesis speakers will be using them for movies and also have a center speaker.
Both speakers are incredible for movies with an advantage probably going to the Noesis speakers if you want maximum impact, volume, dynamics. However, the LS-6's are no slouch. I played them at the Tour with a 40 Hz crossover to my infinite baffle system and they did everything they needed to do. We reached peaks of 127 dB with Flight of the Phoenix without any distortion at all.
Here are some thoughts on the Noesis Speakers:
They sound great at all volumes. I've had other speakers that don't sound good until about 80 dB and then can't handle anything above 90 dB. These have tremendous clarity and detail at any volume level. Symphonic Dances has some extremely quiet passages and some very loud passages. With a silent room, you can hear all the instruments in the quiet passages and they maintain their clarity.
They are extremely dynamic. The gunshots in Open Range are the most real I've ever heard. The speakers provide instant SPL levels that seem much higher on dynamic peaks than other speakers.
They are easy to listen to. I didn't get any fatigue or irritation from listening to them for hours at a time and at loud volume levels.
The midbass is tremendous. Songs like Duende or Poem of Chinese Drum really show off the ability of the dual 12" drivers in each speaker. Duende has some great bass guitar played by Tony Levin. John Janowitz of Acoustic Elegance recommended this song several years ago. I bought the CD and really like the song (and others). The Poem of Chinese Drum was included on a Burmester demo disc, but I bought the entire Master of Chinese Percussion CD. The drums hits are extremely fast and dynamic. There is incredible power in them that requires lots of displacement to render properly. The Noesis speakers easily showed off the speed and power present in the song. My only complaint on the album is that there is some background hiss that is probably more noticeable with these high sensitivity speakers.
You can hear all the nuances of voices. I picked my demo songs based partly on the variations in voices. From the Eagles to Cassandra Wilson, everyone sounds so, so good. With the clarity you can hear more of the breaths and mouthing nuances that make everything so realistic.
The Noesis speakers are probably one of the most neutral sounding speaker I've listening to. They offer incredible output from 60 Hz up to 20kHz with an almost flat frequency response. I like them better than the CHT SHO-10's, ED Cinema 12's, and JTR Triple 8's that I've heard. The Noesis is a "no regrets" type of speaker that will be exceptional at most things and excel at just about everything.

Thanks for demo overview! Any feedback as to how the Noesis would compare to the Seaton Sound Catalyst? I assume the Noesis would have more clarity and detail since it is a horn speaker? confused.gif

By the way, is one of the fellows in the pic Jeff? smile.gif
post #5355 of 18480
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Originally Posted by Kain View Post

Thanks! I live in Dubai and have a local Sunfire dealer from whom I can purchase the TGA-7401. If I were to order the 5x500W Wyred 4 Sound amplifier, it would be about the same as the TGA-7401 local buy price wise (I would be paying $275 for shipping). Would you say it will be a safer buy for me to just get the TGA-7401 as I can get it locally? Any warranty work on the Wyred 4 Sound will probably require hefty shipping costs.

I live in California (where the Wyred amps are made) and that was one of the primary reasons I made the move from Sunfire. So your local purchase might make more sense.

BTW, all Sunfire repairs are done in Washington State (USA) so make sure your dealer will cover the shipping costs if warranty work is required. Otherwise, you would be in the same boat either way.
post #5356 of 18480
Kain
If you were local I would say the W4S but since you are in SA then go with the Sunfire. Whatever differences would be small
but having someone local in Dubai would be the deciding factor. some actually prefer the Sunfire but both amps are 5 star so
you miss nothing one way or the other.
Catalyst 12's vs Noesis 212's
To many factors that would be up to the buyers preference for anyone else to make that call.
If you want passive Noesis , if active Cat 12
I would think that if both are set up 100% correct than it would come back to preference of the owner.
As with the amps both are at the top of thier class.
Active speakers are a whole different game so living in Dubai they may not be the best choice.
Both will give you more than you could ever need.
Whats the best a BMW , Mercedes , or a Lexus? That would be an easier question to answer.
One persons opinion would be just as valid as the others
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/8/12 at 11:37am
post #5357 of 18480
Thanks guys. Guess I'll go for the Sunfire TGA-7401.

By the way, max watts (or recommended watts) a Noesis can take is 2000 watts. What amplifier can deliver this? Would you have to go with a pro amplifier?
post #5358 of 18480
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Originally Posted by Kain View Post

Thanks guys. Guess I'll go for the Sunfire TGA-7401.
By the way, max watts (or recommended watts) a Noesis can take is 2000 watts. What amplifier can deliver this? Would you have to go with a pro amplifier?
D-Sonic has a new 1500/2400 wpc amp. Check out D-sonic.net.
Very comparable amp to W4S and he has the M2 version now.
Read back thru the last 20 pages of this thread for opinions and reviews.
Chris
post #5359 of 18480
Oh man are these suckers sensitive! In the good way.

The KC GUYS are going to love these in the open.

Cranking Art of Flight. Put ear plugs on the kids.

They look good and are at ear height on the UXLs.

http://imgur.com/qjMXD.jpg
post #5360 of 18480
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Originally Posted by Kain View Post

Thanks guys. Guess I'll go for the Sunfire TGA-7401.
By the way, max watts (or recommended watts) a Noesis can take is 2000 watts. What amplifier can deliver this? Would you have to go with a pro amplifier?

Do not worry, unless you live in a gymnasium wink.gif, the 800wpc of the Sunfire will be more than enough. smile.gif
post #5361 of 18480
I run 2 Sunfire 5 channel amps with my 9 speaker system.
post #5362 of 18480
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Originally Posted by HuskerOmaha View Post

Oh man are these suckers sensitive! In the good way.
The KC GUYS are going to love these in the open.
Cranking Art of Flight. Put ear plugs on the kids.
They look good and are at ear height on the UXLs.
http://imgur.com/qjMXD.jpg
Before you heard the Noesis you mentioned A/B them to the SHO-10'S.
My question is are they really even comparable or in the same league?
It seems like comparing the S2 to the SVS SB-12. But I definately do not know !!!
Chris
post #5363 of 18480
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Originally Posted by Kain View Post

Thanks! I live in Dubai and have a local Sunfire dealer from whom I can purchase the TGA-7401. If I were to order the 5x500W Wyred 4 Sound amplifier, it would be about the same as the TGA-7401 local buy price wise (I would be paying $275 for shipping). Would you say it will be a safer buy for me to just get the TGA-7401 as I can get it locally? Any warranty work on the Wyred 4 Sound will probably require hefty shipping costs.

1 great thing about Wyred for Sound and D-sonic is that they are field serviceable. It literally takes 5-10 minutes to swap out a module if it was to go bad. I've had 2 bad modules on my D-sonic M2 but Dennis had new ones out to me within 4 days. My wyred 500 x 7 amps also had a module go bad that I swapped out very quickly. It's 3 plugs on the modules and a few screw holding the module in place. easy as can be.
post #5364 of 18480
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Originally Posted by Kain View Post

Thanks for demo overview! Any feedback as to how the Noesis would compare to the Seaton Sound Catalyst? I assume the Noesis would have more clarity and detail since it is a horn speaker? confused.gif
By the way, is one of the fellows in the pic Jeff? smile.gif
While I've heard the Submersives on several occations, I haven't yet heard the Catalysts.

Jeff shipped the speakers for the demo and wasn't present. The left guy is supergoon and the right guy is nebrunner. I don't know the middle guy's user name.
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Originally Posted by countryWV 
Before you heard the Noesis you mentioned A/B them to the SHO-10'S.
The Noesis are more sensitive, they have greater dynamics, they are tonally more accurate, they have greater clarity and detail, have much more mid and upper bass, and have bigger binding posts. We'll see if HuskerOmaha agrees.smile.gif
post #5365 of 18480
Fugueness and I were discussing a Catalysts/Noesis comparison but the powered/passive issue adds another level of complexity. Still, where theres a will ... smile.gif
post #5366 of 18480
A little OT, but after reading all of the stuff going on at Chase, man am I glad that I bought from Jeff. I kept looking at the CHT stuff and the price tag and it was attractive. I fact, I had decided to go that way until I put out feelers for the T8's. The best thing that I did was go to JTR for a demo and meet Jeff, otherwise I probably would not have gone the JTR route. I guess that's why Jeff is about to celebrate six years in business. Instead of enjoying my 3 t8"s, 2 slanted 8 and 2 cap 1000 (I caved and bought a second yesterday), I would be worrying about what would happen if my Sho-10's failed.

BTW, by "stuff going on at chase" I am in no way signaling any political belief. I keep those to myself. i am just referring to the closing and the craziness going on in their forums.
post #5367 of 18480
I have my JTR's hooked up to a Sunfire TGA7400 and RMK! is absolutely correct. Dead silent and run cool even after cranked for long periods of time. I really like mine. I thought I saw an independant report somewhere on the internet that showed in 4ohms with two channels running you get about 600 watts/ch. I have no way of knowing if that is accurate or not but I can tell you at 14' I can hit reference with my JTR's with absolutely no effort. I am still curious to hook up some larger amps with legitimate 2000w/ch but that is just out of curiousity really I couldn't use it indoors without earplugs.

Very happy with the Sunfire.
post #5368 of 18480
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Originally Posted by Kain View Post

Thanks! I live in Dubai and have a local Sunfire dealer from whom I can purchase the TGA-7401. If I were to order the 5x500W Wyred 4 Sound amplifier, it would be about the same as the TGA-7401 local buy price wise (I would be paying $275 for shipping). Would you say it will be a safer buy for me to just get the TGA-7401 as I can get it locally? Any warranty work on the Wyred 4 Sound will probably require hefty shipping costs.
Thanks for demo overview! Any feedback as to how the Noesis would compare to the Seaton Sound Catalyst? I assume the Noesis would have more clarity and detail since it is a horn speaker? confused.gif
By the way, is one of the fellows in the pic Jeff? smile.gif

Like a few others have said above. All comes down to buyers preference really!....Active Vs Passive would make it more difficult to judge.

Also just because a speaker uses a horn doesnt mean it will be more clearer or detailed......the compression driver in the Catalysts is probably one of the best drivers I have ever heard and is definetly no slouch by any means and uses Marks DSP settings to enhance it even further wink.gif. I do think it would be a very good but difficult comparision to do.

I really dont know how you could go wrong with either speaker........they offer something that all the other manufacturers dont offer and that is providing clean, detailed and dynamic sound at insane SPL levels smile.gif...........Who wouldnt want that???!!!! hahaha
post #5369 of 18480
Well I had a few minutes before work today and the wife and kiddo were at the gym so I decided to throw the Art of Flight back in and turn it up proper like to "test" my new Audyssey XT32 calibration. I tempted fate and turned the MV up to 0db.....HOOOOOOLLYY ****!!! eek.gifeek.gifbiggrin.gif

First thought was wow, this is amazing, I've never heard anything like this! It was like the music was passing through your body, and not just the bass. Second thought was wow, this might be damaging, so I grabbed the Radio Shack SPL meeter for bragging rights scientific testing. At my main listening position the "normal" parts of the song were cruising at 110db's (slow C response) and the dynamic portions were hitting 114-116db's!!! I'm running a outlaw 7125 amp and paired with the T12's it didn't sound strained at all, just insanely loud and clean. Didn't keep it up there long but damn what an experience!
post #5370 of 18480
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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

Like a few others have said above. All comes down to buyers preference really!....Active Vs Passive would make it more difficult to judge.
Also just because a speaker uses a horn doesnt mean it will be more clearer or detailed......the compression driver in the Catalysts is probably one of the best drivers I have ever heard and is definetly no slouch by any means and uses Marks DSP settings to enhance it even further wink.gif. I do think it would be a very good but difficult comparision to do.
I really dont know how you could go wrong with either speaker........they offer something that all the other manufacturers dont offer and that is providing clean, detailed and dynamic sound at insane SPL levels smile.gif...........Who wouldnt want that???!!!! hahaha

I agree with most of your post and the horns purpose is directivity. I suppose it indirectly contributes to clarity by limiting reflections in most rooms. As has been noted, it is the Compression Driver (and crossover network) of the Noesis that makes it special. Mark uses a very good but more economical CD and achieves his outstanding results via the onboard amp and it's DSP.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that buying either of these great speakers is a no lose proposition. It is simply a question of what product best fits your requirements/goals (and budget wink.gif).
Edited by RMK! - 11/9/12 at 10:11am
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