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post #5371 of 8265
11/8/12 at 2:57pm
Fugueness and I were discussing a Catalysts/Noesis comparison but the powered/passive issue adds another level of complexity. Still, where theres a will ... smile.gif
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post #5372 of 8265
11/8/12 at 3:39pm
A little OT, but after reading all of the stuff going on at Chase, man am I glad that I bought from Jeff. I kept looking at the CHT stuff and the price tag and it was attractive. I fact, I had decided to go that way until I put out feelers for the T8's. The best thing that I did was go to JTR for a demo and meet Jeff, otherwise I probably would not have gone the JTR route. I guess that's why Jeff is about to celebrate six years in business. Instead of enjoying my 3 t8"s, 2 slanted 8 and 2 cap 1000 (I caved and bought a second yesterday), I would be worrying about what would happen if my Sho-10's failed.

BTW, by "stuff going on at chase" I am in no way signaling any political belief. I keep those to myself. i am just referring to the closing and the craziness going on in their forums.
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post #5373 of 8265
11/8/12 at 5:48pm
I have my JTR's hooked up to a Sunfire TGA7400 and RMK! is absolutely correct. Dead silent and run cool even after cranked for long periods of time. I really like mine. I thought I saw an independant report somewhere on the internet that showed in 4ohms with two channels running you get about 600 watts/ch. I have no way of knowing if that is accurate or not but I can tell you at 14' I can hit reference with my JTR's with absolutely no effort. I am still curious to hook up some larger amps with legitimate 2000w/ch but that is just out of curiousity really I couldn't use it indoors without earplugs.

Very happy with the Sunfire.
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post #5374 of 8265
11/9/12 at 5:14am
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Thanks! I live in Dubai and have a local Sunfire dealer from whom I can purchase the TGA-7401. If I were to order the 5x500W Wyred 4 Sound amplifier, it would be about the same as the TGA-7401 local buy price wise (I would be paying $275 for shipping). Would you say it will be a safer buy for me to just get the TGA-7401 as I can get it locally? Any warranty work on the Wyred 4 Sound will probably require hefty shipping costs.
Thanks for demo overview! Any feedback as to how the Noesis would compare to the Seaton Sound Catalyst? I assume the Noesis would have more clarity and detail since it is a horn speaker? confused.gif
By the way, is one of the fellows in the pic Jeff? smile.gif

Like a few others have said above. All comes down to buyers preference really!....Active Vs Passive would make it more difficult to judge.

Also just because a speaker uses a horn doesnt mean it will be more clearer or detailed......the compression driver in the Catalysts is probably one of the best drivers I have ever heard and is definetly no slouch by any means and uses Marks DSP settings to enhance it even further wink.gif. I do think it would be a very good but difficult comparision to do.

I really dont know how you could go wrong with either speaker........they offer something that all the other manufacturers dont offer and that is providing clean, detailed and dynamic sound at insane SPL levels smile.gif...........Who wouldnt want that???!!!! hahaha
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post #5375 of 8265
11/9/12 at 7:30am
Well I had a few minutes before work today and the wife and kiddo were at the gym so I decided to throw the Art of Flight back in and turn it up proper like to "test" my new Audyssey XT32 calibration. I tempted fate and turned the MV up to 0db.....HOOOOOOLLYY ****!!! eek.gifeek.gifbiggrin.gif

First thought was wow, this is amazing, I've never heard anything like this! It was like the music was passing through your body, and not just the bass. Second thought was wow, this might be damaging, so I grabbed the Radio Shack SPL meeter for bragging rights scientific testing. At my main listening position the "normal" parts of the song were cruising at 110db's (slow C response) and the dynamic portions were hitting 114-116db's!!! I'm running a outlaw 7125 amp and paired with the T12's it didn't sound strained at all, just insanely loud and clean. Didn't keep it up there long but damn what an experience!
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post #5376 of 8265
11/9/12 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by buddhamus View Post

Like a few others have said above. All comes down to buyers preference really!....Active Vs Passive would make it more difficult to judge.
Also just because a speaker uses a horn doesnt mean it will be more clearer or detailed......the compression driver in the Catalysts is probably one of the best drivers I have ever heard and is definetly no slouch by any means and uses Marks DSP settings to enhance it even further wink.gif. I do think it would be a very good but difficult comparision to do.
I really dont know how you could go wrong with either speaker........they offer something that all the other manufacturers dont offer and that is providing clean, detailed and dynamic sound at insane SPL levels smile.gif...........Who wouldnt want that???!!!! hahaha

I agree with most of your post and the horns purpose is directivity. I suppose it indirectly contributes to clarity by limiting reflections in most rooms. As has been noted, it is the Compression Driver (and crossover network) of the Noesis that makes it special. Mark uses a very good but more economical CD and achieves his outstanding results via the onboard amp and it's DSP.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that buying either of these great speakers is a no lose proposition. It is simply a question of what product best fits your requirements/goals (and budget wink.gif).
Edited by RMK! - 11/9/12 at 10:11am
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post #5377 of 8265
11/9/12 at 8:14am
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Well I had a few minutes before work today and the wife and kiddo were at the gym so I decided to throw the Art of Flight back in and turn it up proper like to "test" my new Audyssey XT32 calibration. I tempted fate and turned the MV up to 0db.....HOOOOOOLLYY ****!!! eek.gifeek.gifbiggrin.gif
First thought was wow, this is amazing, I've never heard anything like this! It was like the music was passing through your body, and not just the bass. Second thought was wow, this might be damaging, so I grabbed the Radio Shack SPL meeter for bragging rights scientific testing. At my main listening position the "normal" parts of the song were cruising at 110db's (slow C response) and the dynamic portions were hitting 114-116db's!!! I'm running a outlaw 7125 amp and paired with the T12's it didn't sound strained at all, just insanely loud and clean. Didn't keep it up there long but damn what an experience!

Thanks again for the tip on that Bluray Brady. It is my favorite (jaw drop) demo for both amazing visuals and sound and it isn't even a DTS HD-MA sound track ...

Seriously, if you have an HT with good sound and don't own this disk, you're missing something really special. cool.gif
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post #5378 of 8265
11/9/12 at 8:18am
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Thanks again for the tip on that Bluray Brady. It is my favorite (jaw drop) demo for both amazing visuals and sound and it isn't even a DTS HD-MA sound track ...
Seriously, if you have an HT with good sound and don't own this disk, you're missing something really special. cool.gif
It is a Dolby TrueHD 7.1 soundtrack which is also lossless.
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post #5379 of 8265
11/9/12 at 8:46am
I'm about to be talked into ordering this "Art of Flight" disc!! tongue.gif

-RMB
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post #5380 of 8265
11/9/12 at 9:39am
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I'm about to be talked into ordering this "Art of Flight" disc!! tongue.gif
-RMB

You won't regret it. You do not have to be a Winter sports kind of person to enjoy this amazing film... cool.gif
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post #5381 of 8265
11/9/12 at 10:10am
Thanks for all the feedback guys. smile.gif

I guess I am set on the Sunfire TGA-7401. Now all I need are the funds. tongue.gif

By the way, if anyone is able to do a comparison between the Noesis and Catalyst 12C, please do post your impressions/comments/opinions.

Thanks again.
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post #5382 of 8265
11/9/12 at 2:39pm
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I'm about to be talked into ordering this "Art of Flight" disc!! tongue.gif
-RMB

You won't regret it. You do not have to be a Winter sports kind of person to enjoy this amazing film... cool.gif

You guys have talked me into it. The movie is on the way. My projector will be here on Tuesday so I should have a couple of days to get it set up before showing the system off with this movie.
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post #5383 of 8265
11/9/12 at 3:55pm
How would a emotiva xpr5 sound with the noesis? Would it be as good as the sunfire?

http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpr5
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post #5384 of 8265
11/9/12 at 4:21pm
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How would a emotiva xpr5 sound with the noesis? Would it be as good as the sunfire?
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/xpr5

the XAP-5 is a great amp, it's only problem is it's high gain isn't the best match for JTR stuff. I had one with my T12's and although it's a really nice amp, it's gain was much to high for the JTR's IMO. You could always use attenuators to drop the gain though.
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post #5385 of 8265
11/9/12 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Thanks again for the tip on that Bluray Brady. It is my favorite (jaw drop) demo for both amazing visuals and sound and it isn't even a DTS HD-MA sound track ...
Seriously, if you have an HT with good sound and don't own this disk, you're missing something really special. cool.gif

Your welcome! Looks like we are starting a mini JTR/TAOF cult!

Just demo'd the Art Of flight AK scene (-12.5MV) and the opening to Master and Commander (-7.5MV) tonight with the in-laws. The M&C demo got dangerously close to a full viewing... wink.gif
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post #5386 of 8265
11/10/12 at 7:15am
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

the XAP-5 is a great amp, it's only problem is it's high gain isn't the best match for JTR stuff. I had one with my T12's and although it's a really nice amp, it's gain was much to high for the JTR's IMO. You could always use attenuators to drop the gain though.

How do you know if the gain on your amp is to high? I am using a Bryston 6B sst to power my front T12's LCR.
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post #5387 of 8265
11/10/12 at 7:16am
Has anyone used Red dragon amps with the T12's?
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11/10/12 at 9:05am
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How do you know if the gain on your amp is to high? I am using a Bryston 6B sst to power my front T12's LCR.

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Has anyone used Red dragon amps with the T12's?

I discovered the gain/levels issue in running Audyssey on my Integra processor. The gain on my Wyred 4 Sound MC amp is 27db. I needed at least 10db of attenuation to allow Audyssey to properly EQ my speakers/subs. Since the Red Dragon is 26db gain, I think you are in the same boat if you're using Audyssey. If you are not using Audyssey, then the point may be moot. smile.gif
Edited by RMK! - 11/10/12 at 9:18am
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post #5389 of 8265
11/10/12 at 9:35am
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I keep seeing or rather reading a Very common misconception toward T12's and JTR speakers in general. I completely understand speakers that excel in music generally are not the best choice for HT and vice-versa. people write stuff like 70% Movies + 30% Music.
I feel like my T12's do 100% Movies and Music Outstanding. They give up Nothing in music (Rock is all I listen to).
Every morning I watch a concert DVD which is both. One year later and I am still getting chills and some of the music I play over and over just becuase it sounds so Damn Good.
So what am I missing? This is the question I have to ask everytime someone brings up JTR speakers and music. It leaves me Flabbergasted (finally got a chance to use that word.)
Can any current JTR speaker owners help me out with an answer? It is confusing to me. I do not understand this seperation. I have been chalking it up as peolple do not know what they are talking about but mabey Its me (that is my usual answer). Am I just easily impressed? My T12's evoke such emotion when I listen. Guns & Roses (AFD) brings back vivid memories of high school while Slayer brings out my destructive side. When I listened on my Mythos ST's it made me want to destroy the speakers but thats not what I am referreing to. T12's crossed over at 80hz to a pair of SubM HP's like N8Dogg said " I do not listen to music without subs" !!!
What do you other JTR owners think about one vs the other vs both?
Please set me straight
Chris

When I was studying in the US, a very popular speaker system was Cambridge Soundworks (created by Henry Kloss). It was superior to Boss, but were way cheaper. I had it and was showing it off to all my college buddies in my dorm room. I then brought them home to my country when I graduated and continued to enjoyed them for a few more years.

It was a satelite/subwoofer combo system.... I remembered that Henry Kloss mentioned that the satelite subwoofer system is far more superior to traditional tower speaker designs because of many reasons (which I forgot), but I think for instance, mixing deep bass with trebble in the same cabinet presents some challenges. Plus, lower frequencies travel at different speed with higher frequencies, thus, with a separate subwoofer, you can place it anywhere... plus bass is non-directional, etc, etc... so many variables...

And if you really think about it, the JTR's are precisely a subwoofer/satellite system. You can concentrate on making the speakers excel at only 80hz and above, and then separate the sub out... that way, you have superior sound from 20 hz to 20,000 hz....

Anyways, just my 2 cents....
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post #5390 of 8265
11/10/12 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

When I was studying in the US, a very popular speaker system was Cambridge Soundworks (created by Henry Kloss). It was superior to Boss, but were way cheaper. I had it and was showing it off to all my college buddies in my dorm room. I then brought them home to my country when I graduated and continued to enjoyed them for a few more years.
It was a satelite/subwoofer combo system.... I remembered that Henry Kloss mentioned that the satelite subwoofer system is far more superior to traditional tower speaker designs because of many reasons (which I forgot), but I think for instance, mixing deep bass with trebble in the same cabinet presents some challenges. Plus, lower frequencies travel at different speed with higher frequencies, thus, with a separate subwoofer, you can place it anywhere... plus bass is non-directional, etc, etc... so many variables...
And if you really think about it, the JTR's are precisely a subwoofer/satellite system. You can concentrate on making the speakers excel at only 80hz and above, and then separate the sub out... that way, you have superior sound from 20 hz to 20,000 hz....
Anyways, just my 2 cents....

I remember the Kloss radios... still have one in the MBR. Much better sound than the more popular and expensive WAVE radio. smile.gif

In any case, be sure to pickup the Art of Flight Bluray (Brady's right, we are getting cultish on this tongue.gif). That will give your new system and nice workout and put a big smile on your face ... smile.gif
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11/10/12 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

I keep seeing or rather reading a Very common misconception toward T12's and JTR speakers in general. I completely understand speakers that excel in music generally are not the best choice for HT and vice-versa. people write stuff like 70% Movies + 30% Music.
I feel like my T12's do 100% Movies and Music Outstanding. They give up Nothing in music (Rock is all I listen to).
Every morning I watch a concert DVD which is both. One year later and I am still getting chills and some of the music I play over and over just becuase it sounds so Damn Good.
So what am I missing? This is the question I have to ask everytime someone brings up JTR speakers and music. It leaves me Flabbergasted (finally got a chance to use that word.)
Can any current JTR speaker owners help me out with an answer? It is confusing to me. I do not understand this seperation. I have been chalking it up as peolple do not know what they are talking about but mabey Its me (that is my usual answer). Am I just easily impressed? My T12's evoke such emotion when I listen. Guns & Roses (AFD) brings back vivid memories of high school while Slayer brings out my destructive side. When I listened on my Mythos ST's it made me want to destroy the speakers but thats not what I am referreing to. T12's crossed over at 80hz to a pair of SubM HP's like N8Dogg said " I do not listen to music without subs" !!!
What do you other JTR owners think about one vs the other vs both?
Please set me straight
Chris

When I was studying in the US, a very popular speaker system was Cambridge Soundworks (created by Henry Kloss). It was superior to Boss, but were way cheaper. I had it and was showing it off to all my college buddies in my dorm room. I then brought them home to my country when I graduated and continued to enjoyed them for a few more years.

It was a satelite/subwoofer combo system.... I remembered that Henry Kloss mentioned that the satelite subwoofer system is far more superior to traditional tower speaker designs because of many reasons (which I forgot), but I think for instance, mixing deep bass with trebble in the same cabinet presents some challenges. Plus, lower frequencies travel at different speed with higher frequencies, thus, with a separate subwoofer, you can place it anywhere... plus bass is non-directional, etc, etc... so many variables...

And if you really think about it, the JTR's are precisely a subwoofer/satellite system. You can concentrate on making the speakers excel at only 80hz and above, and then separate the sub out... that way, you have superior sound from 20 hz to 20,000 hz....

Anyways, just my 2 cents....

I got my start in the Home Theater with Cambridge Soundworks. I still use part of my original system as my kitchen system and it doesn't sound half bad.
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post #5392 of 8265
11/10/12 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

When I was studying in the US, a very popular speaker system was Cambridge Soundworks (created by Henry Kloss). It was superior to Boss, but were way cheaper. I had it and was showing it off to all my college buddies in my dorm room. I then brought them home to my country when I graduated and continued to enjoyed them for a few more years.
It was a satelite/subwoofer combo system.... I remembered that Henry Kloss mentioned that the satelite subwoofer system is far more superior to traditional tower speaker designs because of many reasons (which I forgot), but I think for instance, mixing deep bass with trebble in the same cabinet presents some challenges. Plus, lower frequencies travel at different speed with higher frequencies, thus, with a separate subwoofer, you can place it anywhere... plus bass is non-directional, etc, etc... so many variables...
And if you really think about it, the JTR's are precisely a subwoofer/satellite system. You can concentrate on making the speakers excel at only 80hz and above, and then separate the sub out... that way, you have superior sound from 20 hz to 20,000 hz....
Anyways, just my 2 cents....

Totally agree with separate subs have many advantages, but I would be careful with the speed of sound is different at different frequencies. The speed of sound is independant of freq, amplitude and wavelength.

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-speedsound.htm
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post #5393 of 8265
11/10/12 at 3:03pm
The "other brand" is how I started out but that is what gave me the understanding to the idea or concept of seperate speaker and subwoofer.
I planned my entire system around having a 80hz crossover. 7 speakers capable of going down to 60hz with 2 capable (Badass) subwoofers to handle
the ULF load. Cross them over at 80hz so neither is asked to do anything they are not supposed to and the result is pure accuracy with unbelievable speed.
The system also greatly benefits from seperate placement or location of speaker/subswoofer adding to the realism of the "Live concert and movie experience".
After having done this properly There is No Way I could go back to a Full-Range system (within $$$$ reason). Full-Range speakers are fun to play with but the sum of parts from
a 7.2 seperate system is IMO "The Berries" !!!
Chris
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post #5394 of 8265
11/10/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I remember the Kloss radios... still have one in the MBR. Much better sound than the more popular and expensive WAVE radio. smile.gif
In any case, be sure to pickup the Art of Flight Bluray (Brady's right, we are getting cultish on this tongue.gif). That will give your new system and nice workout and put a big smile on your face ... smile.gif
Rob on this movie is Dolby TrueHD only 5.1 ?
I can only get my 4311/Oppo 95 to play it 5.1.
I do not know which one is responsible or if it is suppose to be like that.
Chris
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post #5395 of 8265
11/10/12 at 4:03pm
TAOF is TrueHD 7.1, it plays all 7 channels on my system which is a Sony 790 player and Onkyo 3009 receiver, also played in 7.1 on my old Onkyo 805 receiver.

I know this is going to sound like a stupid question but are you sure you have the blu-ray disk instead of the DVD disk in the player? My copy came with both versions.
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post #5396 of 8265
11/10/12 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Rob on this movie is Dolby TrueHD only 5.1 ?
I can only get my 4311/Oppo 95 to play it 5.1.
I do not know which one is responsible or if it is suppose to be like that.
Chris

As Brady said, it is Dolby TrueHD 7.1. You need to check your Denon's default audio formats.
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post #5397 of 8265
11/10/12 at 4:40pm
Thanks
For for whatever reason I cleaned the disk and everything works fine.
It took me a good minute to find the Blu-Ray sign at the bottom.
Making the disk blue is so much easier.
Chris
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post #5398 of 8265
11/10/12 at 5:29pm
Just watched the Nebraska - Penn State football game. On the ABC shorts between plays the midbass sounded amazing. Listened to part of Art of Flight again.
Audyssey set the Noesis pair at 60hz cross which sounds great.

Best midbass I've heard. Kills the SHO-10s in this area as I would expect. Clarity and Dynamics on Casino Royale are great. I wish I had a bootleg BD of Skyfall which I just saw in the IMAX and has a great soundtrack.

I'll get to listen in detail tomorrow and A/B with a SHO-10. Then off to KC I suppose.
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11/10/12 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by desertdome View Post


Should really try toeing those in more, assuming the horn is even 70x70 you arent crossing them enough and the soundstage is going to suffer significantly.

http://www.pispeakers.com/Pi_Speakers_Info.pdf

see page 7
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11/10/12 at 10:33pm
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Has anyone used Red dragon amps with the T12's?

Yes, I currently have a set of the 1000 watt monos. They sound great and endless ICE power that I love! I also have a D-sonic 1000 x 7. It uses the same modules as the Red Dragon's do. Love them both. That pic is about a year old and the XPA-5 I had is still in it.

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