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post #5461 of 8265
In my case, I use a Integra 80.3 processor and need an external amp. I've got no doubt that a receiver could power my JTR's easily...... that being said, it will never happen. I like buying stuff like amps, processors, etc. It's my hobby. i've moved my HT to separates long ago and will not ever be going back, it's too much fun to buy new stuff to try out! I mean heck, most of us on here would be fine with S8's as the mains, let alone needing T12's and the Noesis with our subs. I tjhink saying we are going overboard with different amps may be calling the kettle black biggrin.gif

That being said, I run 1000 watts to all my JTR speakers when they probably use 20 cool.gif
post #5462 of 8265
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Thats the word I was looking for "Bright" with a side of too loud (Harsh).
I have tried SC-37 , SC-57 , and my current 4311 and they all sound the same when pushing the 12's.
With the D-sonic it's not bright or harsh just exact and accurate with no listening fatigue at reference.
Thanks Mk
Chris

Which d-sonic amp do you have? I have emotiva xpa3 amp and I can't listen at 0db. But I don't have jtr speakers either.
post #5463 of 8265
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

It could be the Rated power on AVR's are not usually true. It could be that the AVR powering 7 speakers takes away too much from the fronts.
It may be that I have 3 seperate amps powering LCR , SS , RS. Each plugged into a different 20 amp outlet. I do not know why but I do know that
in my system with the AVR I cannot take the gain past -10 for any lenght of time without fatigue. Mabey it has something do with the quality of the amp.
I just know I love my amp and it contributes to a "cleaner" sound at reference.
Chris


I agree Chris, just this morning I was watching (more listening) to the 2005 HD-DVD of Cream at the Royal Albert Hall concert. I have two screens in the HT but due to a limitation of my Integra processor, only one screen can use OSD. I was using the small 27"LCD as I sometimes do when wanting to concentrate on just the sound and I had no idea where the volume was. I just kept bumping it up and after 3 songs I checked the Integra and I was at +4 reference. It was concert loud but certainly not bright or harsh. Just clean and incredibly powerful. I didn't break out the SPL meter but I should have. Flying blind like that (no OSD) can be illuminating.
post #5464 of 8265
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Originally Posted by mac_hs10 View Post

Which d-sonic amp do you have? I have emotiva xpa3 amp and I can't listen at 0db. But I don't have jtr speakers either.
I have a XPA-3 on RS , XPA-2 on SS , and D-Sonic on the LCR. The D is M2 1500 3x500/1000 wpc. I had Dennis put it in a 7 channel chassis
so I can send it back and have it upgraded to M2 3500 7x500/1000 wpc, in the future. The D-sonic is a great value. I could not listen to my DefTech Mythos ST
system past -15 on the gain. Anything more like -8 and my ears hurt for 2-3 days. JTR speakers are a whole new game in the world of speakers and
subs.They are amongst the best in dynamics, accuracy, and distortion free sound while having a dead silent background. Every speaker from the Single 8 all the way up the line acheive ridiculous SPL levels with next to nothing in the power department. 80 watts will power any JTR speaker but the more you give them the better they perform. If it does not get any better than this I will be content.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/17/12 at 6:52am
post #5465 of 8265
In my HT room: When I was using my Denon 4311ci audio was at at -5. I switched back to Pioneer Sc-57 (not rated for 4 ohms) and audio was at -5 but got hot and would shut down. Now my Pioneer Sc-67 (rated for 4 ohms) audio is at -14 and doesn't run hot. Audio for my Ht room is best with the Sc-67. Sorry XT32 fans but MCACC for me has much better SQ.
post #5466 of 8265
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

This discussion (as they always seem to) is now dealing with subjective vs evidence based opinions. I beilieve in science but also understand that science has limitations when it comes to human perception.
My bias is for powerful amps with high effieiceny speakers, playing good source material at impactful and emmersive SPL's. I'm there now, but when I tried to get that sound with AVR's and or low efficiency speakers it just wasn't the same. I don't know if it was brightness or harshness due to distrotion or clipping, or just my imagination but I heard a descernable difference.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it ... tongue.gif

One word: transients!

How many have used a simple oscilloscope (with high bandwidth) to observe an audio signal?

Most audiophile thinking is stuck on the concept of average or RMS power requirements. Real life and real music (using the dynamic range of a live, uncompressed performance as the standard for discussion) is very spiky and unpredictable in levels.

Proper handling of transients requires sufficient headroom! ANY hard clipping or even soft clipping from an inadequate slew rate destroys the dynamics and timbre in short order and takes the ease out of the listening experience. Our ear/brain systems can be easily fatigued by simply placing a low pass filter in the signal path, forcing the brain to try to compensate by "calculating" the missing upper harmonics.

Here is another factor: how dynamic or compressed is the source?

The goal of audio engineering is to reproduce, as closely as possible, the source as captured. That is a clear goal when recording natural acoustic sounds, classical music, jazz, folk etc., which our ear/brains have specifically evolved to process and for which we have massive experience for comparison.

However, when the source is synthetic, as in electonica and the musical genres dependent on electronic processing, the standard can become arbitrary. When the majority of audio sources are A) artificial electronic creations and B) consist of compressed dynamics/transients, the standard for reproduction reduces to: which system flatters the source, in the ear of the beholder!

Also, as pop music has been mastered louder and louder, in order to catch the ear's attention when played through low fidelity sources, there is a more restricted dynamic range inherent in the source. Playing a source such as this through a system with inadequate headroom, MAY not be as noticeable because the system has less dynamic range to reproduce from the source.

As the listening level increases toward reference, going up the power doubling curve from a higher initial (average) level, requires more doubling, with transient levels possibly requiring 10 times the power over the average.

Discarding the need to justify compromising due to budget, what remains is a practical general principle that supplying sufficient power to the speaker to avoid ANY clipping distortion under all conceivable operating conditions, should be the foundation for powering audio systems. Even if that clipping is hard to identify and of short enough duration that the drivers are not immediately degraded, the negative effect on the sonic illusion is real and discernible.

High efficiency speakers at a given SPL start lower on the power doubling curve but clean speakers also encourage louder levels since they sound effortless!

While most home theaters may not require all of the wattage which Jeff specifies in his literature to reach reference levels, with the bounty of dedicated power amplifiers on the market, why cripple your quality experience with designed-to-minimal-cost receiver amplifiers?

Those claiming that they can't hear the differences: our perceptions of audio and video can be trained.... or not.

Some people never perceived the rainbow effect inherent in single-chip DLP projectors until the unfortunate day when someone showed them how to see it! As a result, many became candidates for different projector technologies.

Similarly, as the quality of your listening room improves with masking, time smearing, room resonances removed, your ear begins to unravel the sonic illusion, perceiving layers previously unheard.
Edited by robobob - 11/15/12 at 6:35pm
post #5467 of 8265
I'm truly enjoying listening to the demo pair of the JTR Neosis this evening. I've just got my first chance to fire them up in my room and been listening for the last half hour with no setup, eq, nor calibration --- they are still outstanding!

Right now a NIN track is playing and my little gray cat has absolutely taken notice. He looks un-nerved! His expression is vexed - ears laid back eyes huge!!! Perhaps he knows it's way too late for me to continually be inching the volume dial up with three other people in the house (hopefully) still sleeping!

These things are a single man's speakers --- they just keeping sounding better and better the louder you turn them up --- I can't keep my fingers off the remote's volume control!!!! biggrin.gif
post #5468 of 8265
I propose a side session of some reference level avr vs. external amp blind tests at a future gtg!
post #5469 of 8265
Do you guys who use receivers on the JTR speakers change your receiver to 4ohm from the 6ohm + setting that is default?

I have an Onkyo TX-NR1007 which has a pretty beefy (verified) amp section. I switched the setting back and forth and I'm not sure I can tell any difference at all unless it's exceptionally subtle I'm not sure what that menu setting is even doing?
post #5470 of 8265
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

In my case, I use a Integra 80.3 processor and need an external amp. I've got no doubt that a receiver could power my JTR's easily...... that being said, it will never happen. I like buying stuff like amps, processors, etc. It's my hobby. i've moved my HT to separates long ago and will not ever be going back, it's too much fun to buy new stuff to try out! I mean heck, most of us on here would be fine with S8's as the mains, let alone needing T12's and the Noesis with our subs. I tjhink saying we are going overboard with different amps may be calling the kettle black biggrin.gif

That being said, I run 1000 watts to all my JTR speakers when they probably use 20 cool.gif

you overbought on the amp. tongue.gif


All you needed was a little t-amp to hit reference. wink.gif

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post #5471 of 8265
I notice that whenever arguments of this nature gets going, there'll be a split between the so called 'scientific group' and the 'non-scientific one'...

In fact, I must say I am a science guy as well..

I think most of the time, the maths don't add up due to incomplete variables. If all the variables are known, and if the math add up, then nothing anyone can say 'subjectively' will change the 'truth'...

In this case, I think a lot of variables are unknown, such as what robobob said about 'transients', 'clipping', minute stuff...

So, in the end, if anyone can notice a 'real difference', then the math just didn't add up to begin with...
post #5472 of 8265
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Originally Posted by robobob View Post

One word: transients!
How many have used a simple oscilloscope (with high bandwidth) to observe an audio signal?
Most audiophile thinking is stuck on the concept of average or RMS power requirements. Real life and real music (using the dynamic range of a live, uncompressed performance as the standard for discussion) is very spiky and unpredictable in levels.
Proper handling of transients requires sufficient headroom! ANY hard clipping or even soft clipping from an inadequate slew rate destroys the dynamics and timbre in short order and takes the ease out of the listening experience. Our ear/brain systems can be easily fatigued by simply placing a low pass filter in the signal path, forcing the brain to try to compensate by "calculating" the missing upper harmonics.
Here is another factor: how dynamic or compressed is the source?
The goal of audio engineering is to reproduce, as closely as possible, the source as captured. That is a clear goal when recording natural acoustic sounds, classical music, jazz, folk etc., which our ear/brains have specifically evolved to process and for which we have massive experience for comparison.
However, when the source is synthetic, as in electonica and the musical genres dependent on electronic processing, the standard can become arbitrary. When the majority of audio sources are A) artificial electronic creations and B) consist of compressed dynamics/transients, the standard for reproduction reduces to: which system flatters the source, in the ear of the beholder!
Also, as pop music has been mastered louder and louder, in order to catch the ear's attention when played through low fidelity sources, there is a more restricted dynamic range inherent in the source. Playing a source such as this through a system with inadequate headroom, MAY not be as noticeable because the system has less dynamic range to reproduce from the source.
As the listening level increases toward reference, going up the power doubling curve from a higher initial (average) level, requires more doubling, with transient levels possibly requiring 10 times the power over the average.
Discarding the need to justify compromising due to budget, what remains is a practical general principle that supplying sufficient power to the speaker to avoid ANY clipping distortion under all conceivable operating conditions, should be the foundation for powering audio systems. Even if that clipping is hard to identify and of short enough duration that the drivers are not immediately degraded, the negative effect on the sonic illusion is real and discernible.
High efficiency speakers at a given SPL start lower on the power doubling curve but clean speakers also encourage louder levels since they sound effortless!
While most home theaters may not require all of the wattage which Jeff specifies in his literature to reach reference levels, with the bounty of dedicated power amplifiers on the market, why cripple your quality experience with designed-to-minimal-cost receiver amplifiers?
Those claiming that they can't hear the differences: our perceptions of audio and video can be trained.... or not.
Some people never perceived the rainbow effect inherent in single-chip DLP projectors until the unfortunate day when someone showed them how to see it! As a result, many became candidates for different projector technologies.
Similarly, as the quality of your listening room improves with masking, time smearing, room resonances removed, your ear begins to unravel the sonic illusion, perceiving layers previously unheard.

I was going to say that and with the exception of my misspelling discernible, I almost had it ...tongue.gif

Good post Rob or is it Bob? smile.gif
post #5473 of 8265
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I was going to say that and with the exception of my misspelling discernible, I almost had it ...tongue.gif
Good post Rob or is it Bob? smile.gif

Nah, it's Robo-Bob
post #5474 of 8265
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

I notice that whenever arguments of this nature gets going, there'll be a split between the so called 'scientific group' and the 'non-scientific one'...
In fact, I must say I am a science guy as well..
I think most of the time, the maths don't add up due to incomplete variables. If all the variables are known, and if the math add up, then nothing anyone can say 'subjectively' will change the 'truth'...
In this case, I think a lot of variables are unknown, such as what robobob said about 'transients', 'clipping', minute stuff...
So, in the end, if anyone can notice a 'real difference', then the math just didn't add up to begin with...
That is what I am always trying to say when I am referring to Math as a way to equal how it will sound. I completely understand and agree when people use this as a way to find out SPL and reference.
It is the variables that are missed or just not considered when talking about how it will sound at reference. I sometimes "dumb things down" and it appears that I draw a line in the sand.
Since I already have my JTR speakers I assume we all know that they are capable of unbearable SPL with little power or watts. I take that as a given and feel like I am moving backwards when we talk about it.
I am always trying to figure out how to squeeze as much performance as possible out of my system. Since alot of us have such different goals to what we expect or want from our Rigs sometimes it appears we debate over the wrong aspect.
2 different people with 2 different goals in audio can disagree on what road to take to acheive this but I hope that we all have the same destination in mind "Pure Bliss". Once I get there I am not coming back !!!
I share a common goal with alot of JTR owners and this thread is the icing on the cake for me. I have learned so much from the people on here and I still have an infinite amount to go.
Rob (RMK) is a man who alot of us follow simply becuase he "puts his money where his mouth is". I consider that method to be the most straight forward and direct. It is also less confusing to me. Sometimes I just need to be showed instead of told.
IMO this is the best thread on AVS or any other forum and I say thanks to all who have posted on here. Every bit of it whether positive or negative is a learnig experience or teachable moment.
Hopefully the Best is yet to come.

Robobob
That is an excellent post and it really helps me organize my thoughts on this.
I knew there was an acceptable explaination I just could not find the words to state it.
Thank You
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/16/12 at 1:36pm
post #5475 of 8265
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Do you guys who use receivers on the JTR speakers change your receiver to 4ohm from the 6ohm + setting that is default?
I have an Onkyo TX-NR1007 which has a pretty beefy (verified) amp section. I switched the setting back and forth and I'm not sure I can tell any difference at all unless it's exceptionally subtle I'm not sure what that menu setting is even doing?

I'm curious about this as well.
post #5476 of 8265
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Do you guys who use receivers on the JTR speakers change your receiver to 4ohm from the 6ohm + setting that is default?
I have an Onkyo TX-NR1007 which has a pretty beefy (verified) amp section. I switched the setting back and forth and I'm not sure I can tell any difference at all unless it's exceptionally subtle I'm not sure what that menu setting is even doing?

Did this same thing, couldn't tell a thing. We have the same AVR.
post #5477 of 8265
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Do you guys who use receivers on the JTR speakers change your receiver to 4ohm from the 6ohm + setting that is default?
I have an Onkyo TX-NR1007 which has a pretty beefy (verified) amp section. I switched the setting back and forth and I'm not sure I can tell any difference at all unless it's exceptionally subtle I'm not sure what that menu setting is even doing?
My Denon 4311 has that option and with the AVR running the system turned to 4ohm (instead of 8 or 6) It makes no audible difference to me. My SC-37 AND SC-57 did not have that option and they all 3 sounded the same when running or powering the system. IMO all 3 have the same negative characteristics when going to reference.
Chris
post #5478 of 8265
Hey countryWV,
do you notice the difference with a pre/pro or are you using the Denon as a processor? I have separates right now and love the sound but I would love to get HDMI for the ease of use. I was thinking of using an elite as a pre/pro but I don't want to lose anything I have now but gain HDMI switching and codecs. I never used an AVR as an Pre/pro only but I have used a Denon, Marantz, Emotiva(UMC-1), etc... pre/pro's and I still like the Ada better even with optical.
post #5479 of 8265
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Originally Posted by maintman View Post

I propose a side session of some reference level avr vs. external amp blind tests at a future gtg!

That is an excellent idea...

I believe that a well executed (that caveat is huge) blind test would be fun and perhaps interesting.
post #5480 of 8265
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

My Denon 4311 has that option and with the AVR running the system turned to 4ohm (instead of 8 or 6) It makes no audible difference to me. My SC-37 AND SC-57 did not have that option and they all 3 sounded the same when running or powering the system. IMO all 3 have the same negative characteristics when going to reference.
Chris

AVR ohm switch settings were discussed in another thread here somewhere and the consensus was that all it did was limit current. The settings shouldn't result in an audible change.
post #5481 of 8265
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Hey countryWV,
do you notice the difference with a pre/pro or are you using the Denon as a processor? I have separates right now and love the sound but I would love to get HDMI for the ease of use. I was thinking of using an elite as a pre/pro but I don't want to lose anything I have now but gain HDMI switching and codecs. I never used an AVR as an Pre/pro only but I have used a Denon, Marantz, Emotiva(UMC-1), etc... pre/pro's and I still like the Ada better even with optical.

I have used my 4311, SC-57, & SC-67 as a prepro with no issues. The SC-67 does run the coolest of all three. I believe that the newer 2012 Sc series are the only Pioneer recievers rated 4 ohm. Denon 4311 is rated for 4 ohms.
post #5482 of 8265
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

Hey countryWV,
do you notice the difference with a pre/pro or are you using the Denon as a processor? I have separates right now and love the sound but I would love to get HDMI for the ease of use. I was thinking of using an elite as a pre/pro but I don't want to lose anything I have now but gain HDMI switching and codecs. I never used an AVR as an Pre/pro only but I have used a Denon, Marantz, Emotiva(UMC-1), etc... pre/pro's and I still like the Ada better even with optical.
I am running the 4311 in pre amp mode so it shuts down the internal amps which keeps it from getting hot. I like it alot but I am wanting xlr connections so when the onkyo SC-5510 preamp or Integra 80.4 prepro become available I am getting one. The pioneers worked great also but they ran hot real hot. I think the new models SC 67/68 are supposed to run cooler. I prefer both pioneers over the 4311 but the Audyssey XT32 makes it worth having to me. The Pioneer is the ultimate for movie performance and that marvell chip is excellent. I loved the THX Ultra modes for cinema and music. The Onkyo/Integra seems to be the best of both pioneer and Denon combined that is why it is next.
To answer the question about sound there is no diffderence IMO. The amp takes all the load off the AVR's allowing them to just do there job of processing sound. If possible get one that you can shut the amps off and it should run cooler. You can get incredible deals on the 4311 now so it is a great choice. If it had xlr connections I would not even be thinking about something else.
hope this helps
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/16/12 at 10:43am
post #5483 of 8265
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

I'm curious about this as well.

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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

My Denon 4311 has that option and with the AVR running the system turned to 4ohm (instead of 8 or 6) It makes no audible difference to me. My SC-37 AND SC-57 did not have that option and they all 3 sounded the same when running or powering the system. IMO all 3 have the same negative characteristics when going to reference.
Chris

All this setting does is allow the receiver to take the 4ohm load properly. In general I am not really sure why any AVR that can do 4 ohms even has the option to switch, unless there is some in-audible benefit to restricting the current to 6-8ohms
post #5484 of 8265
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

All this setting does is allow the receiver to take the 4ohm load properly. In general I am not really sure why any AVR that can do 4 ohms even has the option to switch, unless there is some in-audible benefit to restricting the current to 6-8ohms
I always considered it to be Not Important. The 4311 manual states that if even 1 speaker is 4ohm and the rest are 8ohm then still change it to 4ohm . Since my LCR are 4ohm and my SS,RS are 8ohm I did not think it mattered or they would have had an option to change each speaker individually instead of grouping them together as 4 ohm. So for that reason I thought it to be not important.
Chris
post #5485 of 8265
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Do you guys who use receivers on the JTR speakers change your receiver to 4ohm from the 6ohm + setting that is default?

I have an Onkyo TX-NR1007 which has a pretty beefy (verified) amp section. I switched the setting back and forth and I'm not sure I can tell any difference at all unless it's exceptionally subtle I'm not sure what that menu setting is even doing?

When I had a Onkyo TX-NR905, I was running as a preamp, it would still get ridiculously hot in 6+ ohm mode even with no speakers connected, but was noticeably cooler when I changed the setting to 4 ohm. This leads me to believe, that this setting could limit output, if your room is large enough that the amp becomes the limiting factor. However, with most rooms and JTR's it probably doesn't matter. ,
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

All you needed was a little t-amp to hit reference. wink.gif
I have the original version of this t-amp. Remember the gunshots on Open Range with the Noesis? They would have sounded like a BB Gun with the t-amp. At 12 feet away from the speakers, the sound with the t-amps wouldn't have even reached 105 dB. With the 800 continuous watts available per channel, we were able to reach over 124 dB with one speaker. Huge difference!
post #5487 of 8265
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I was going to say that and with the exception of my misspelling discernible, I almost had it ...tongue.gif
Good post Rob or is it Bob? smile.gif

Well, great minds think alike, so they say! Glad I saved you the typing.

Rob is a verb, not a noun so in corporeal life outside of the InterMind, I go by Robert. biggrin.gif

Robobob is a nick name which stuck; it referred to my ability to code continuously for days without sleep, when required....
Edited by robobob - 11/16/12 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

That is what I am always trying to say when I am referring to Math as a way equal how it will sound. I completely understand and agree when people use this as a way to find out SPL and reference.
It is the variables that are missed or just not considered when talking about how it will sound at reference. I sometimes "dumb things down" and it appears that I draw a line in the sand.
Since I already have my JTR speakers I assume we all know that they are capable of unbearable SPL with little power or watts. I take that as a given and feel like I am moving backwards when we talk about it.
I am always trying to figure out how to squeeze as much performance as possible out of my system. Since alot of us have such different goals to what we expect or want from our Rigs sometimes it appears we debate over the wrong aspect.
2 different people with 2 different goals in audio can disagree on what road to take to acheive this but I hope that we all have the same destination in mind "Pure Bliss". Once I get there I am not coming back !!!
I share a common goal with alot of JTR owners and this thread is the icing on the cake for me. I have learned so much from the people on here and I still have an infinite amount to go.
Rob (RMK) is a man who alot of us follow simply becuase he "puts his money where his mouth is". I consider that method to be the most straight forward and direct. It is also less confusing to me. Sometimes I just need to be showed instead of told.
IMO this is the best thread on AVS or any other forum and I say thanks to all who have posted on here. Every bit of it whether positive or negative is a learnig experience or teachable moment.
Hopefully the Best is yet to come.
Robobob
That is an excellent post and it really helps me organize my thoughts on this.
I knew there was an acceptable explaination I just could not find the words to state it.
Thank You
Chris

Chris, glad you found value in the post!

Always risky to post technical points, even in a "technical forum"; Sometimes, instead of treating posts which attempt to present a little technical rigor as food for thought, people get triggered emotionally when one or more of their cherished audio concepts get challenged.

Feed those beautiful JTR speakers ALL the good clean power they require! Then listen as they disappear and the music takes their place! cool.gif
post #5489 of 8265
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

Do you guys who use receivers on the JTR speakers change your receiver to 4ohm from the 6ohm + setting that is default?
I have an Onkyo TX-NR1007 which has a pretty beefy (verified) amp section. I switched the setting back and forth and I'm not sure I can tell any difference at all unless it's exceptionally subtle I'm not sure what that menu setting is even doing?

I have the Onkyo 805 receiver (Onkyo 805 Bench Test). When I originally bought my Triple 8s, I emailed the specs to Jeff and he suggested that I leave my 805 receiver in 6ohm mode as it delivered more wattage. I never had a problem with it in 6ohm mode running the Triple 8s or my current 4ohm Triad speakers. I think your 1007 should be very similar in power rating.

This is taken from the Article:
First we left the 805 in its 6 ohm setting, brought the output up to 1% THD (popularly accepted as the point of clipping), and measured the output. We then loaded it with 4 ohms on each channel and measured. Switching the 805 to its 4 ohm setting we again measured with 8 and 4 ohm loads. The results are tabulated as follows.

>6 ohm setting (default)
8ohm load 173 Watts
4ohm load 270 Watts*

>4 ohm setting
8ohm load 87 Watts
4ohm load 151Watts

* Time limited test under controlled laboratory conditions.

One can see at a glance the performance of the amplifiers in their default setting is remarkably good for a $1,099 comprehensively featured receiver. The behavior is commensurate with good amplifier design in that, transiently at least, it will dump a lot of current as evidenced by the 270W into 4 ohms. Not quite "doubling down" as the saying goes, but none actually do so (cleaver spec'ing just makes it seem like some can).

Switching to the 4 ohm setting, we see exactly what we expect: reduced output as compared to the default setting, regardless of actual load. While at first glance a dramatic shift from the default, these numbers must bear interpretation. Having only 87 watts output seems not so good, but the >4ohm setting should only be used with low impedance speakers where for the lion's share of the spectrum the Onkyo will be in that 151 watt territory, which is only about 5% less than the 173 watts into 8 ohm load of the >6 ohm setting.


I never noticed an audible difference in either mode but either mode could get Very loud in my little room.

Thx,
Claude
Edited by Bunga99 - 11/16/12 at 3:15pm
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Thanks for the input Claude!
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