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post #5611 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:01am
Other than the SHO-10s, any suggestions on 4 more surrounds (either 8 inches or 10 inch drivers, preferably 4 ohm and can take a lot of power) that would complement my JTR S8s?

I am looking to spend about $300-$400 each. If I am to DIY, what would be the best design/drivers?
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post #5612 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Other than the SHO-10s, any suggestions on 4 more surrounds (either 8 inches or 10 inch drivers, preferably 4 ohm and can take a lot of power) that would complement my JTR S8s?
I am looking to spend about $300-$400 each. If I am to DIY, what would be the best design/drivers?

Knowing my irrational need to upgrade if you timing was different you could by my 4 eD surrounds. I'm willing to bet that eventually I'll be looking at doing single 8's for my 4 surrounds. I've told myself I'll never need to do that, but I don't believe me.
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post #5613 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:09am
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Knowing my irrational need to upgrade if you timing was different you could by my 4 eD surrounds. I'm willing to bet that eventually I'll be looking at doing single 8's for my 4 surrounds. I've told myself I'll never need to do that, but I don't believe me.

Are you using them as surrounds now? What sort? I can't find ED anymore.. the site's down.
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post #5614 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:17am
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Are you using them as surrounds now? What sort? I can't find ED anymore.. the site's down.

eD is no more, they went out of business after taking a lot of customers money and not giving them their orders. Criminals.

However, their cinema line is really nice, that's what I've been using before buying the Noesis. My surrounds are the eD cinema 6". Check picks below on the link to my room. They sound great and are very dynamic.
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post #5615 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:19am
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Yep, Jeff said after Iowa they are heading to the east coast.

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I shouldn't ask this, but did he say where?

My house.

I wish. Jeff, I'll keep em entertained for a while and get who I know around to come up for a listen smile.gif

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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Other than the SHO-10s, any suggestions on 4 more surrounds (either 8 inches or 10 inch drivers, preferably 4 ohm and can take a lot of power) that would complement my JTR S8s?
I am looking to spend about $300-$400 each. If I am to DIY, what would be the best design/drivers?

Check it:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1353658/budget-eminence-coaxial-surround-build

I would go for the d221ti with the custom XO if I were you. they are great for surrounds IMO.
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post #5616 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

I talked to Jeff today when i was ordering the stands for my Noesis and he was saying mine will be out next week! As well as my Q8s will be shipping tomorrow! O boy O boy!!!!
I do have to admit, I'm having a harder time selling my T12's than I thought. Locals just have no idea what they are. I keep getting emails with dumb responses like" Those are garbage, paper cone crap, you should check out KEF, now those are real speakers" and " The dust cap fell off the top one man, how can you say they are perfect when clearly they are not" lol Some people are just clueless. I even put JTR's site for reference but no one cares to read anything anymore.
I did put them up for 2K shipping included to anywhere in Canada but no bites yet. Kinda sucks, I'll be taking a huge hit shipping them out but they will be no good to me siting in the corner doing nothing! Jeff is sending my Noesis in T12 boxes so I can have the proper shipping boxes! o ya!

"dust cap fell off" ... Hey, where's the tweeter confused.gif?

If they are slow to sell it is only because most people have no clue about the performance/value these amazing speakers represent. I'd love to see the look on that guys face if he ever heard the T12's A/B'd with KEF's at reference. tongue.gif
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post #5617 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:41am
N8, JTR seems to be slowly getting bigger, I gotta believe you'll find a buyer. Sometimes it's just lucky timing. I sold my Captivators within 48 hours of putting them up for sale and had multiple people offering to buy at the price I had them set for. As for the Noesis, these will be life time speakers. smile.gif I guess I really do prefer these over the Submersives as my all time favorite audio gear, because I could see someday trying different subs.
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post #5618 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:45am
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eD is no more, they went out of business after taking a lot of customers money and not giving them their orders. Criminals.
However, their cinema line is really nice, that's what I've been using before buying the Noesis. My surrounds are the eD cinema 6". Check picks below on the link to my room. They sound great and are very dynamic.

Just out of curiosity, are you selling the surrounds 6? I still can't seem to find them in your pictures, although your basement looks awesome!!!!

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Check it:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1353658/budget-eminence-coaxial-surround-build
I would go for the d221ti with the custom XO if I were you. they are great for surrounds IMO.

Just went thru the thread... thanks for the link
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post #5619 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:54am
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Yes, horizontal. I need to ask Jeff it the CD should be turned 90 degrees if they are placed that way - I doubt it. It's such a wide dispersion I bet it doesn't matter.
When you find out please post the answer on here. I thought I read that he had to turn (rotate) it if using horizontal.
Chris
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post #5620 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:55am
Here are some pics.

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post #5621 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:57am
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When you find out please post the answer on here. I thought I read that he had to turn it if using horizontal.
Chris

Chris, you are right. He told me he would turn it for me and he told me to make sure I use some kind of stand. Haha, problem is the stand will be about 4 inches tall otherwise the speaker will block the screen.
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post #5622 of 8249
11/21/12 at 7:58am
coolgeek, I don't plan on selling them right now. I'm going to wait until the 3 front Noesis get here and then see what I think of movies and surround music. As of now I'm telling myself these surrounds will work fine but we'll see.
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post #5623 of 8249
11/21/12 at 8:07am
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coolgeek, I don't plan on selling them right now. I'm going to wait until the 3 front Noesis get here and then see what I think of movies and surround music. As of now I'm telling myself these surrounds will work fine but we'll see.

Those S8's look like the perfect speakers to use as your surrounds! biggrin.gif I think you should bite the bullet and go all out. You know you want to and you will always be thinking what if. Plus this way you could sell your ED's as a full set.
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post #5624 of 8249
11/21/12 at 8:09am
Hahaha, only if you pull the trigger on the Noesis. I know you have a while until your room is done but you could put them in your living room right? You wouldn't hardly notice them! biggrin.gif

Seriously though, you know I'm thinking about it...
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post #5625 of 8249
11/21/12 at 8:20am
HAHA I'm just playing. Or am I??? cool.gif

I would totally pull the trigger on any of Jeff's products at this point if I had the money. However I must stay strong and not buy anything until I get the room done otherwise I don't think it will ever get finished. I will say I do plan on using the S8's as surrounds in my room once its done. I'm still not sure about my front 3. The Noesis are SO good but the price is a tough pill for me to swallow. I was pretty happy with the T8's.
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post #5626 of 8249
11/21/12 at 8:30am
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HAHA I'm just playing. Or am I??? cool.gif
I would totally pull the trigger on any of Jeff's products at this point if I had the money. However I must stay strong and not buy anything until I get the room done otherwise I don't think it will ever get finished. I will say I do plan on using the S8's as surrounds in my room once its done. I'm still not sure about my front 3. The Noesis are SO good but the price is a tough pill for me to swallow. I was pretty happy with the T8's.

Triple 8's front 3 with single 8's as surrounds with a Cap 2 Sealed? Yeah, I'd say that's gonna sound awesome!! I know I've asked but I forgot, what is your time table on finishing your basement?
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post #5627 of 8249
11/21/12 at 8:41am
I wish I could put a definitive date on it but its going to be a build as I can kinda deal. The studs are mostly up. I still need frame the door, false wall, closet, and equipment rack. That's where I'm at now and hope to do most of that over the next week or so. After that comes electrical and insulation and so on. So I still have quite a ways to go before I can start thinking too hard about buying equipment but I do have a pretty good idea of what I will be using.

Here's a link to my thread. I will be updating it over the weekend.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1437368/stitchs-great-escape-theater-build
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post #5628 of 8249
11/21/12 at 9:14am
Those of you that purchased JTR speakers, how did you go about demo'ing them prior to purchasing them?

The Triple 8/12 speakers keep coming up in my research for speakers in the range I'm looking at, but I do not know how to demo them, which obviously I am going to do before I make a purchase of anything smile.gif

My front runners right now are the B&W CM9's with CMC2 for center and CM5 for rears, but I'd like to audition a few more before I take the plunge on anything.

My primary usage is going to be movies/games. What center do you guys who have the 8's or 12's use with those speakers?
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post #5629 of 8249
11/21/12 at 9:17am
Sounds like there are several us doing a build with JTR speakers waiting in the closet. My contractor finishes in 3 weeks and I have 5 T8s and 2 T12s and just yesterday ordered my S2 from Jeff:)
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post #5630 of 8249
11/21/12 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Those of you that purchased JTR speakers, how did you go about demo'ing them prior to purchasing them?
The Triple 8/12 speakers keep coming up in my research for speakers in the range I'm looking at, but I do not know how to demo them, which obviously I am going to do before I make a purchase of anything smile.gif
My front runners right now are the B&W CM9's with CMC2 for center and CM5 for rears, but I'd like to audition a few more before I take the plunge on anything.
My primary usage is going to be movies/games. What center do you guys who have the 8's or 12's use with those speakers?

Too many guys in love with them on the forum and that's why I bought them. Never read a bad post about Jeff or his business. The Quintuple is the best center that I have ever heard and I have had severl of them.
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post #5631 of 8249
11/21/12 at 10:08am
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Those of you that purchased JTR speakers, how did you go about demo'ing them prior to purchasing them?
The Triple 8/12 speakers keep coming up in my research for speakers in the range I'm looking at, but I do not know how to demo them, which obviously I am going to do before I make a purchase of anything smile.gif
My front runners right now are the B&W CM9's with CMC2 for center and CM5 for rears, but I'd like to audition a few more before I take the plunge on anything.
My primary usage is going to be movies/games. What center do you guys who have the 8's or 12's use with those speakers?

If you are puttig together a media room with a big screen TV in an existing multi purpose space, the B&W's will be fine.

I built a dedicated room for Home Theater and was sitting on a Revel Ultima Studio and Voice Center channel ($20K in speakers) when I first heard the JTR's. My first demo was with the original Triple 8's, They were OK but did not get my attention. The second demo a few months later was with the first of the Triple 12's. Although they lacked a bit of the detail I was used to wtih the Revels, they blew me away with their dynamics (how clear/clean they remained at higher SPL). I ened up selling my Revels and purchasing those Triple 12's.

The demos were at the owners home (T12's) and in my room (T8's).

For those serious about Home Theater high sensitivity speakers are the way to go. By playing effortlessly at reference (or close to it) they provide a level of immersion and envelopment that better matches the big screen image. Frankly, you will never get that level of performance from those B&W's.

In terms of the center channel, the best option is to have matching LCR's. Many who don't have AT screens end up using a smaller center channel and that can work but again, if your doing an HT, do it right and have a BIG AT screen with matching LCR"s behind it. I am comfortable with that recommendation because no one that has done this, has ever regretted that decision ... smile.gif
Edited by RMK! - 11/21/12 at 10:42am
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post #5632 of 8249
11/21/12 at 10:43am
Since I don't have an AT screen (yet) I have a matching triple 12 on it's side under my 126" screen. Jeff built a wicked custom angled stand that puts the top of the T12 right at the edge of my screen at a height of 23" and it works and sounds fantastic. Next room I build will have an AT screen though...as much so I can go wider as having the centre at a better height.
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post #5633 of 8249
11/21/12 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

If you are puttig together a media room with a big screen TV in an existing multi purpose space, the B&W's will be fine.
I built a dedicated room for Home Theater and was sitting on a Revel Ultima Studio and Voice Center channel ($20K in speakers) when I first heard the JTR's. My first demo was with the original Triple 8's, They were OK but did not get my attention. The second demo a few months later was with the first of the Triple 12's. Although they lacked a bit of the detail I was used to wtih the Revels, they blew me away with their dynamics (how clear/clean they remained at higher SPL). I ened up selling my Revels and purchasing those Triple 12's.
The demos were at the owners home (T12's) and in my room (T8's).
For those serious about Home Theater high sensitivity speakers are the way to go. By playing effortlessly at reference (or close to it) they provide a level of immersion and envelopment that better matches the big screen image. Frankly, you will never get that level of performance from those B&W's.
In terms of the center channel, the best option is to have matching LCR's. Many who don't have AT screens end up using a smaller center channel and that can work but again, if your doing an HT, do it right and have a BIG AT screen with matching LCR"s behind it. I am comfortable with that recommendation because no one that has done this, has ever regretted that decision ... smile.gif

Well this setup is going in my basement that is going to be a theater room but also kind of an entertainment room. the room is 20x26, however the entire room won't be focused on the HT. I'm putting the screen kind of near one of the corners. it is a 120" 16:9 screen. the seating area is going to be about 13' feet back or so. So the HT area is going to be like a 13x15 section of the room, if that makes sense. We plan to put a bar to the side of the screen in that corner and possibly a pool table back behind the seating area. I'm not doing a transparent screen so I couldn't have one of those speakers standing upright unfortunately. I need to have my center under the screen.
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post #5634 of 8249
11/21/12 at 10:54am
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Since I don't have an AT screen (yet) I have a matching triple 12 on it's side under my 126" screen. Jeff built a wicked custom angled stand that puts the top of the T12 right at the edge of my screen at a height of 23" and it works and sounds fantastic. Next room I build will have an AT screen though...as much so I can go wider as having the centre at a better height.

This is something I was contemplating if it was a legit option. So it is okay to put the speaker on it's side and you won't lose any quality/performance? Just something I was not sure about.

Also what surrounds do you guys use with the 8's or 12's?

Also my budget for the 5 speakers (not including sub) I was trying to stay under $5k so I don't know if this is realistic either.
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post #5635 of 8249
11/21/12 at 10:55am
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Since I don't have an AT screen (yet) I have a matching triple 12 on it's side under my 126" screen. Jeff built a wicked custom angled stand that puts the top of the T12 right at the edge of my screen at a height of 23" and it works and sounds fantastic. Next room I build will have an AT screen though...as much so I can go wider as having the centre at a better height.

I get what you are saying and agree the performance delta isn't huge (been there, done that).

But I think this, is better looking and sounds better:


Than this:


Actually, that looks kind of cool, doesn't it...tongue.gif The saving grace of this setup was the the Coax drivers were at approximately the same height.
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post #5636 of 8249
11/21/12 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

I get what you are saying and agree the performance delta isn't huge (been there, done that).
But I think this, is better looking and sounds better:
Actually, that looks kind of cool, doesn't it...tongue.gif The saving grace of this setup was the the Coax drivers were at approximately the same height.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very interested in the performance increase but I'm also very interested in going 1.35 screen with the same height as my 16X9 and taking advantage of being able to push the screen almost right to the sidewalls instead of having 4 feet on each side for speakers. If I don't think about it I don't notice the slight discrepancy of the centre height compared to the faces on the screen but if I think about it it bothers me. And yes, the AT screen looks way cleaner.
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post #5637 of 8249
11/21/12 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

This is something I was contemplating if it was a legit option. So it is okay to put the speaker on it's side and you won't lose any quality/performance? Just something I was not sure about.
Also what surrounds do you guys use with the 8's or 12's?
Also my budget for the 5 speakers (not including sub) I was trying to stay under $5k so I don't know if this is realistic either.

From what I read the design of the JTR's reduces comb filtering to a level that shouldn't be noticeable when on it's side so performance is fine. You just have the height difference of the speaker compared to the faces but getting the angle correct will minimize that as well at one seating distance. Works pretty well for me because I only have one row of seats.

I run 2X single 8's as front wides and 2X slant 8's as surrounds. $5K would be tough with T12's since you have that much in the LCR alone unless you can find used but you could do it with triple 8's.
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post #5638 of 8249
11/21/12 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by subyguy View Post

From what I read the design of the JTR's reduces comb filtering to a level that shouldn't be noticeable when on it's side so performance is fine. You just have the height difference of the speaker compared to the faces but getting the angle correct will minimize that as well at one seating distance. Works pretty well for me because I only have one row of seats.
I run 2X single 8's as front wides and 2X slant 8's as surrounds. $5K would be tough with T12's since you have that much in the LCR alone unless you can find used but you could do it with triple 8's.

Purebeast, if you want used T12's here you go:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1440079/jtr-2012-3-t12lps-and-2-t8lps#post_22604870

Or this if you are in Canada (N8DOGG's post)

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1165099/official-jtr-speaker-thread/5580#post_22608778
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post #5639 of 8249
11/21/12 at 11:26am
I see you are in Maryland.
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post #5640 of 8249
11/21/12 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by purbeast View Post

Those of you that purchased JTR speakers, how did you go about demo'ing them prior to purchasing them?
The Triple 8/12 speakers keep coming up in my research for speakers in the range I'm looking at, but I do not know how to demo them, which obviously I am going to do before I make a purchase of anything smile.gif
My front runners right now are the B&W CM9's with CMC2 for center and CM5 for rears, but I'd like to audition a few more before I take the plunge on anything.
My primary usage is going to be movies/games. What center do you guys who have the 8's or 12's use with those speakers?

CM9 and B&W in general is a solid choice. I will ask you to see above to what I put in bold. For this reason and this reason only, you should consider the T12's over the cm9's hands down. If you had have said "I want them to be for 70% music 30% movies and games, I would not feel quite this same way,but the benefit you will get with a high efficiency, dynamic pair of speakers such as the T12's or T8s, there truly is no comparison to the more "commercialized" offerings. With the size of your room and the listening position being over 4m away, you are going to have a VERY rough time getting those BW's to play well at reference with ANY room for dynamic peaks. Assuming you are wanting to get a sub of some sort (you'll want one in any case), the T12's are hands down a better option for you. I don't really know how to put into writing the experiences I have had with BW, Revel, and other good "musical" speakers, as they have always sounded great for music, but when it comes to movies and games, there really is only one choice for me anymore, and that is high sens, dynamic designed speakers like JTR's.
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