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post #5671 of 18367
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

So superaaaaa, what is up???

Had a few delays with customs, and then the courier - was a very frusrating period.

But speakers are here now, so thats what counts.

Its been very busy for me the last couple of weeks, with a couple of interstate weddings as well as long hrs at work.

I want to spend more time with them and fine tune the sound, before i provide an in indepth review.

Ive never heard any of my previous speakers in the current room i'm using. The room is providing a number of acoustic challenges, which i'm trying to address - i've ordered omnimic, to help me understand what's happening in my room.
post #5672 of 18367
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Originally Posted by superaaaaa View Post

Had a few delays with customs, and then the courier - was a very frusrating period.
But speakers are here now, so thats what counts.
Its been very busy for me the last couple of weeks, with a couple of interstate weddings as well as long hrs at work.
I want to spend more time with them and fine tune the sound, before i provide an in indepth review.
Ive never heard any of my previous speakers in the current room i'm using. The room is providing a number of acoustic challenges, which i'm trying to address - i've ordered omnimic, to help me understand what's happening in my room.

Sorry to hear bout the delays. Almost inevitable when dealing with customs and courier companies can be flaky. Keep working on the room acoustics issues as the end results will be worth it. As I plow through all of my music and movies I continue to gain appreciation for how fantastic these speakers sound.

I'm having a few guys over for a demo session next week and I'm anxious to hear their opinions.
post #5673 of 18367
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Sorry to hear bout the delays. Almost inevitable when dealing with customs and courier companies can be flaky. Keep working on the room acoustics issues as the end results will be worth it. As I plow through all of my music and movies I continue to gain appreciation for how fantastic these speakers sound.
I'm having a few guys over for a demo session next week and I'm anxious to hear their opinions.

Oh Boy, Oh Boy.. can't wait to get mine... I hope I don't get into much customs problems... Glad to hear that more and more of you are getting the Noesis already!
post #5674 of 18367
Jeff told me S2 sub should ship Friday. I am picking up my T12 and T8s on Wednesday from a fellow AVS member. I just ordered some movie posters and signs to hang on the wall. Contractor started the build today and should be done in three weeks. Now the part that sucks...waiting smile.gif
post #5675 of 18367
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Originally Posted by Frohlich View Post

Jeff told me S2 sub should ship Friday. I am picking up my T12 and T8s on Wednesday from a fellow AVS member. I just ordered some movie posters and signs to hang on the wall. Contractor started the build today and should be done in three weeks. Now the part that sucks...waiting smile.gif

In this case, the anticipation is not the best part. You've got yourself a mini IMAX audio system and it will give you years of enjoyment. cool.gif
post #5676 of 18367
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Originally Posted by lbrown105 View Post

I do the same, never had a commercial pop up yet though. At least you didn't have audiogon site open and have it turn into a european lesbian website. (see recent posts on Triad owners thread)

"But honey, I was only trying to look at speaker porn.....honest!"
post #5677 of 18367
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Originally Posted by maintman View Post

"But honey, I was only trying to look at speaker porn.....honest!"
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"But honey, I was only trying to look at speaker porn.....honest!"

Too funny. Lesbian porn is probably cheaper.
post #5678 of 18367
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Originally Posted by mac_hs10 View Post

What are you guys using for the surround with the noesis?

Triple 8LP's for surrounds and Slanted 8's for surround backs and height speakers.
post #5679 of 18367
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Originally Posted by mac_hs10 View Post

What are you guys using for the surround with the noesis?
If possible keep it all JTR as the timbre match is VERY important. JTR speakers lack coloration and have a nuetral sound. Almost any other brand will cause a distinction between the fronts and backs. Not bad not good just different.
If seamless is the goal than anything from the Single 8's to the T12's would be a match. The Slant 8's offer a 30 degree angle making them perfect for surround and rear channel speakers.
If $$$$$ allows go JTR if not just try to get high sensitivity speakers capable of high SPL to "keep up".
Chris
post #5680 of 18367
I've been thinking about this too, and while my current surrounds work great it's obviously not ideal.

I don't feel like the Noesis match up with the triple 8's either, well at least not exactly. I know I'm going off of audio memory which is terrible, but when I heard the 888's I thought, "hmm those are nice, I like them better than my eD's", but the thought of upgrading NEVER even crossed my mind. I heard the 888's 2 different times in 2 different rooms, one of which was a blind speaker comparison in my own room. Neither time did I feel myself reaching for my wallet.

When I heard the Noesis... I knew I had to buy them.

Given the price difference between the Noesis and the 888's that should give you an idea of how much bigger/better of an impression the Noesis made on me. I feel like the step up from my eD's to the 888's is small, but the step up from the 888's the the Noesis is huge. Now, I'm not saying everyone will have that same impression, that's just my opinion. So, when thinking about surrounds I don't know if it's worth it to me to switch from my eD's to single 8's or triple 8's.

That said, I heard through Archaea that Jeff plans to make changes to the 2013 triple 8's so that they will have a sound that is more in common with the Noesis than the current model. If that's also the case with the single 8's, then that would be perfect so I'm going to wait and see what happens.
post #5681 of 18367
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

If possible keep it all JTR as the timbre match is VERY important. JTR speakers lack coloration and have a nuetral sound. Almost any other brand will cause a distinction between the fronts and backs. Not bad not good just different.
If seamless is the goal than anything from the Single 8's to the T12's would be a match. The Slant 8's offer a 30 degree angle making them perfect for surround and rear channel speakers.
If $$$$$ allows go JTR if not just try to get high sensitivity speakers capable of high SPL to "keep up".
Chris

I wish I can afford 6 slanted 8s.
post #5682 of 18367
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I've been thinking about this too, and while my current surrounds work great it's obviously not ideal.
I don't feel like the Noesis match up with the triple 8's either, well at least not exactly. I know I'm going off of audio memory which is terrible, but when I heard the 888's I thought, "hmm those are nice, I like them better than my eD's", but the thought of upgrading NEVER even crossed my mind. I heard the 888's 2 different times in 2 different rooms, one of which was a blind speaker comparison in my own room. Neither time did I feel myself reaching for my wallet.
When I heard the Noesis... I knew I had to buy them.
Given the price difference between the Noesis and the 888's that should give you an idea of how much bigger/better of an impression the Noesis made on me. I feel like the step up from my eD's to the 888's is small, but the step up from the 888's the the Noesis is huge. Now, I'm not saying everyone will have that same impression, that's just my opinion. So, when thinking about surrounds I don't know if it's worth it to me to switch from my eD's to single 8's or triple 8's.
That said, I heard through Archaea that Jeff plans to make changes to the 2013 triple 8's so that they will have a sound that is more in common with the Noesis than the current model. If that's also the case with the single 8's, then that would be perfect so I'm going to wait and see what happens.
You have to remember when you first listened to the T8's you had different goals and expectations. You had already purchased the Ed's so there was a home court advantage and since the T8's were more $$$ the decision not to buy was much easier to make.
Now you have or will have the Noesis as your fronts. That is a 180 degree turn from your other sessions and goals.
My point is try the T8's or S8's again with your new goal in mind of using them as surrounds (not fronts) to timbre match the Noesis. I bet you will have a new found respect for them in your new system.
Chris
Edited by countryWV - 11/27/12 at 7:04am
post #5683 of 18367
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

I wish I can afford 6 slanted 8s.
Hell yeah !!! me too.
The anticipation keeps things interesteting as I await the 2013 models.
Chris
post #5684 of 18367
Still trying to see if anyone in the DMV area has some JTR speakers I can demo! Looking to hear the Triple 8's and 12's! I'd be willing to drive up to PA as well if it's within reason!

Reply here or PM if you wanna help out!
post #5685 of 18367
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I've been thinking about this too, and while my current surrounds work great it's obviously not ideal.
I don't feel like the Noesis match up with the triple 8's either, well at least not exactly. I know I'm going off of audio memory which is terrible, but when I heard the 888's I thought, "hmm those are nice, I like them better than my eD's", but the thought of upgrading NEVER even crossed my mind. I heard the 888's 2 different times in 2 different rooms, one of which was a blind speaker comparison in my own room. Neither time did I feel myself reaching for my wallet.
When I heard the Noesis... I knew I had to buy them.
Given the price difference between the Noesis and the 888's that should give you an idea of how much bigger/better of an impression the Noesis made on me. I feel like the step up from my eD's to the 888's is small, but the step up from the 888's the the Noesis is huge. Now, I'm not saying everyone will have that same impression, that's just my opinion. So, when thinking about surrounds I don't know if it's worth it to me to switch from my eD's to single 8's or triple 8's.
That said, I heard through Archaea that Jeff plans to make changes to the 2013 triple 8's so that they will have a sound that is more in common with the Noesis than the current model. If that's also the case with the single 8's, then that would be perfect so I'm going to wait and see what happens.

It could be that since the Noesis is the first of JTR to use a Horn design, the older models no longer match up.. I am just conjecturing... could be completely off base... anyways, let's see if future developments would see any changes to the Single 8s as surrounds.. maybe they'll all be horn designs as well...
post #5686 of 18367
Surrounds matching LCR's remove all doubts but I have heard some very good HT's where they don't match with little if any negative effect to SQ. Multi-channel music is where any timbre issues would be most noticeable and I have to say that the Noesis match up well with the sealed T8 surrounds.

Of course, there are many here who can hear the most subtle difference be it cables, amplification or the presence of a small pyramid shaped crystal strategically placed on top of the speaker. wink.gif
post #5687 of 18367
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Of course, there are many here who can hear the most subtle difference be it cables, amplification or the presence of a small pyramid shaped crystal strategically placed on top of the speaker. wink.gif

Yeah, I'm definitely not one of those people. As of a couple weeks ago I didn't even think I had a huge preference when it came to speakers, I thought I only really cared about the bass. smile.gif

I will say though that when watching concert disks I much preferred just playing the Noesis in stereo and turning off the surrounds. When I run the all eD setup, full surround sound sounds better.
post #5688 of 18367
Can anyone tell me which of these speaker mounts is suitable for the Slanted 8s?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=speaker+mount

I have to start thinking of getting everything together.
post #5689 of 18367
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Surrounds matching LCR's remove all doubts but I have heard some very good HT's where they don't match with little if any negative effect to SQ. Multi-channel music is where any timbre issues would be most noticeable and I have to say that the Noesis match up well with the sealed T8 surrounds.
Of course, there are many here who can hear the most subtle difference be it cables, amplification or the presence of a small pyramid shaped crystal strategically placed on top of the speaker. wink.gif
Multi channel music is where my surrounds show their differences. Everything else they do great.
I rarely do 2 channel music anymore as I love the involvement of the surrounds. To me it is more realistic or life-like.
Especially when the audience starts clapping not only does it feel live but it also seams like I have good seats.
Chris
post #5690 of 18367
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Can anyone tell me which of these speaker mounts is suitable for the Slanted 8s?
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=speaker+mount
I have to start thinking of getting everything together.

I like these Axiom brackets, very sturdy and adjustable but also expensive.

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http://www.axiomaudio.com/full-metal-bracket.html
post #5691 of 18367
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I just wanted to share my somewhat crude implementation of a Slanted 8 mounting solution for the height channel speakers. I used some OSB I had scraps of and built a triangular shaped bracket that is screwed into the ceiling, and the Slanted 8 is hanging off of that bracket. They actually look pretty cool from the front, as they appear to be floating in the air.


In case anyone is wondering, those are 2011 Triple 12HT-LP's in the L, C, R, Wides and Surround locations. I have some close-up pictures of the T12 drivers if anyone is interested in seeing them. Perhaps they have been posted here before already.


Mark
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Can anyone tell me which of these speaker mounts is suitable for the Slanted 8s?
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=speaker+mount
I have to start thinking of getting everything together.

The Slanted 8's have 4 "keyhole" slots on the back to facilitate mounting. While not pretty, my DIY height channel brackets for the Slanted 8's can be made to look better. For me, they disappear in my "batcave". I hung the rear surround Slanted 8's directly on the wall.

I hope this helps.

Mark
post #5692 of 18367
They ^^ look good Carp, with a 40lb weight limit they would only work for S8's. Is it easy to separate the wall/ceiling mounting plate from the speaker part of the bracket?
Edited by RMK! - 11/27/12 at 12:12pm
post #5693 of 18367
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

They ^^ look good Carp, with a 40lb weight limit they would only work for S8's. Is it easy to separate the wall/ceiling mounting plate from the speaker part of the bracket?

Thanks RMK. That 40 lbs. is very conservative. I have my rear surround eD's mounted in such a way that it puts a ton of force on the bracket since the speaker is leaning out so far from the wall. Here is a closer up shot, the bracket is way at the bottom (well actually top, I turned my 4 surround speakers upside down) of the speaker.

I feel like I could put a LOT more weight on these brackets.

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Yeah, it's pretty easy. I just have to use an allen wrench to unscrew one bolt and I can take the bracket with the speaker off.
post #5694 of 18367
Mark
Your Batcave is "No Holds Barred".
7 T12's and 4 Slanted 8's is my dream.
Simply Badass !!!
Chris
Don't you have 4 SubM HP's too?
post #5695 of 18367
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Originally Posted by countryWV View Post

Mark
Your Batcave is "No Holds Barred".
7 T12's and 4 Slanted 8's is my dream.
Simply Badass !!!
Chris
Don't you have 4 SubM HP's too?

Thanks for the complement Chris! I do have four Seaton SubMersive HP's, but would not mind a couple of Danley tapped horns some day! Maybe some SubMersive XL's will have to do. eek.gif

The system audio calibration (Audyssey MultEQ XT32 Pro) was performed by Mark Seaton, since he is local to me, so I know I am wringing out the most performance I can out of the JTR's and the Seaton's. He was there for 12 hours!

I just noticed in the long shot from the back of the room the screen looks small, but it is 110" 1.78 (54" x 96").

Mark
post #5696 of 18367
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Originally Posted by carp View Post

I like these Axiom brackets, very sturdy and adjustable but also expensive.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/full-metal-bracket.html

Carp, thanks, I may just get them. Do the brackets fit the Slanted 8s nicely (I mean the screws), or would I need to modify them a bit?

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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

The Slanted 8's have 4 "keyhole" slots on the back to facilitate mounting. While not pretty, my DIY height channel brackets for the Slanted 8's can be made to look better. For me, they disappear in my "batcave". I hung the rear surround Slanted 8's directly on the wall.
I hope this helps.
Mark

Mark, WoW.. *speechless* your batcave is definitely something to imitate!
post #5697 of 18367
i was on the path of possibly getting some noesis, but got a good deal on a few yorkville u215b's, will get to a/b my quintuples vs u215bs next week when they get here, my back will be pretty sore after i'm done, but it'll be interesting to see they in the same room together.
post #5698 of 18367
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Originally Posted by coolgeek View Post

Carp, thanks, I may just get them. Do the brackets fit the Slanted 8s nicely (I mean the screws), or would I need to modify them a bit?
Mark, WoW.. *speechless* your batcave is definitely something to imitate!

Coolgeek, I swear I replied already but oh well.

I drilled 3 holes into the back of my eD speakers, being careful not to go all the way through the 3/4 mdf. If you aren't interested in screwing holes in your speakers, which is perfectly understandable, I'm not sure how the Axiom brackets will work but I've never seen the Slanted 8's so I don't know what is on the back of them.
post #5699 of 18367
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Originally Posted by ufokillerz View Post

i was on the path of possibly getting some noesis, but got a good deal on a few yorkville u215b's, will get to a/b my quintuples vs u215bs next week when they get here, my back will be pretty sore after i'm done, but it'll be interesting to see they in the same room together.

You end up getting Carl's pair or something a bit closer? smile.gif
post #5700 of 18367
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Originally Posted by Aaron Smith View Post

You end up getting Carl's pair or something a bit closer? smile.gif

That would be Carl's pair, found him on ebay, shipping across the country, but still a fine price.
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